Chit Chat
Halal meat in schools and colleges
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Who said it's "Solely in use all over the UK"?
As detraveller rightly says, you'd rather get on a communial anti-something moan, than ask the relevant questions. For once, I actually completely agree with Insider Trader too. Most of the indignation on here is like reading the front page of the Daily Mail. All going off half-cocked with no in-depth knowledge of what you're actually moaning about. |
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I SAID ... P*** OFF LEFTY MUG
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Anyone who doesn't join in is a 'Lefty' too.
Is that right? So, woundedknee, you start a thread with some made-up statistic, then swear at anyone who doesn't go all indignant with you. Using such incredible and witty retort to my only post on this thread nearly had me lost for words!!! |
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Death I have Condemned all Pedo Priests
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woundedknee 04 Jun
i dont eat poxy halal meat or buy from poxy takeaways.. they should be banned We have something in common  are you one of those snow flakes too ? ( sorry but I am not sure what a snow flake is nor if I am one |
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casemoney 04 Jun 18
Death I have Condemned all Pedo Priests Glad to hear it casemoney! I absolve you of your sins. Please feel free to go forth and rant about the Musso's again!  |
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 I don't want halal meat. I probably buy halal meat for all I know. I don't fully comprehend the nature of stunning animals before slaughter. Why would Jews and Arab's ( Muslim's ) both not eat pork or animals with cloven hoof? Is it because of their religion? Is it because of the heat? Why should anybody eat halal or kosher meat these days? |
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wouldn't worry about this storm in a teacup
or the so called 12 foiled attacks this year it pales into insignificance compared to what the demographic will achieve in the future |
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dunno... but its in abundance in schools.. etc
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whisperingdeath - "I don't fully comprehend the nature of stunning animals before slaughter".
That much is obvious |
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This might help!!. It is not entirely reliable as it is from the RSPCA, but it is clear enough.
Slaughter Factfile - The slaughter process has two stages: Stunning, when performed correctly, causes an animal to lose consciousness, so the animal can’t feel pain. The law states that, with few exemptions, all animals must be stunned before ‘sticking’ (neck cutting) is carried out. Sticking is when an animal’s neck is cut, using a very sharp knife, to sever the major blood vessels in its neck/chest that supply the brain, ensuring rapid blood loss and therefore death. Slaughter of large animals Stunning - There are various methods available to stun larger animals, these include: Penetrating captive bolt - used on cattle, sheep and some pigs. A gun fires a metal bolt into the brain of the animal causing the animal to lose consciousness immediately. Electrical - used on sheep, calves and pigs. An electrical current is passed through the animal’s brain via a large pair of tongs, causing temporary loss of consciousness. Some systems also pass the current through the heart, so the animal is not just stunned but also killed. Gas stunning/killing - of pigs, which involves the use of gas mixtures. Pigs are exposed to high concentrations of gas (currently carbon dioxide). Sticking After stunning the animal is shackled by a hind leg and hoisted above the ground and the slaughter person sticks the animal. |
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So is halal meat produced from stunning animals in this way too? If so how is halal ?
What is the difference? |
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@Wd As far as I know, purely halal slaughter(like using a knife on a living animal) doens't happen anywhere in Europe. It is just the ignorant brigade moaning about it, because it involves islam, barbaric and a few other keywords which gets them going...It is a well known fact among muslims in Europe that they don't get halal meat here. What they get is a semi-halal version. At least as per my knowledge.
As far as I know, halal committees in Europe(I think they have a central halal committee for Europe) has decided that to conform with the European laws, they will obviously not slaughter living/conscious animals. According to our very own beautiful pain free practices, they stun the animal. After that, the animal doesn't feel any pain. So far so good. Till here we have already established that the animal doesn't feel any pain. Because its stunned. The halal guys then run the knife on the animal. The non-halal guys probably have an environment friendly computer code already burnt on a microcontroller which magically transforms the animal into branded packaging which is what you see in the superstore. Of course they don't use the knife. Its only the halal guys that use it. But when the animal isnt feeling any pain, why does it matter whether its cut into pieces using a knife or a green computer program? To answer your question then, there is hardly a difference between halal and non-halal meat. The halal one is stunned and cut with a sharp blade. The non-halal one is stunned and 'you don't know what happens next'. |
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whisperingdeath - So is halal meat produced from stunning animals in this way too? If so how is halal ?
You said you didn't understand the stunning process. I tried to explain it to you from a source that might suit your sensitivities. As you can see from the RSPCA site there are multiple ways of stunning animals prior to slaughter. To make it clear, as long as the animal is stunned before slaughter there is little difference between the halal process and that of a normal slaughterhouse. As long as one of the stunning methods is used, the only real difference is the "prayers chanted" as part of the halal process. Their knives are a bit different, though my slaughterman tells me that they are sharper. Hth. |
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detraveller -
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detraveller - I agree with much of your post. Not surprising as you are making the same points as me. However I guess you have not attended a British slaughterhouse recently or at all. Assuming pre-stunning, halal and no halal are identical apart from the ritual element of the former.
I have to say that casemoney's post "They are hanging live animals up by their Rear legs then Slitting their Throats, FACT !!!" made me giggle for obvious reasons, but also that if they were hung up by their front legs, only the very tallest slaughterman would be able to reach the throat. |
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I have not attended any slaughter house ever. But I have seen animals getting slaughtered the halal way in the middle east. And I firmly believe my info related to the halal committees is correct, though i'll happily admit my mistake if proved wrong.
Did you intend to say that there are indeed places where no pre stunnng happens? if that's what you meant, then you have a bigger problem than the slaughter being inhumane. Namely the law of the land not being obeyed. This lack of obeyance is, again, not because people have outdated beliefs. Its because someone in the govt isn't doing his job. |
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detraveller - even the most "positive" reports from the most "positive" organisations suggest that the percentage of halal meat available in the UK THAT IS PRE-STUNNED is around 80/85% (and rising). The reason for the rest is mainly that unstunned halal meat is NOT illegal in this country (it is in several other European countries) and is considered more desirable and compliant with religious considerations.
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It is much more about the the squirrels being introduced into a new environment. That is where you should be looking. A study of nature will provide the answer
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The increased introduction of more Pine Martens has vastly reduced the numbers of grey squirrels in Scotland which favours the indigenous Reds. Greys do not have the same evasion methods in their genetic makeup as the Reds so the Grey population are hugely on the decrease.
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There are squirrels and there are squirrels. |
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if you introduce an alien species nature unfortunately seems to create a population disaster
from foreign imports we have had the water vole disappear in many rivers, cray fish, local natural oysters, even plants/weeds - it is amazing the trouble it causes |
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Why is it happening at all regardless of Slaughter Methods , what Country would Change what half the children in their schools are Eating because one in twenty of the Children follow a certain Religion ,its Insanity ,how has it even come about?
its practically saying that what is eaten by others is unfit to be eaten ,and that the Muslim Child will suffer if Eating it . |
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It's because the most intolerant usually win.
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The question is Traveller Why 95 % of the Children at a School have to Eat what the other 5% prefer ? Its madness .
In what other walk of Life would this be acceptable ? Does it happen in Work canteens ? |
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Of course it is madness. What I am trying to say, and have been saying since the refugee crisis, is that its your own govt, the very people you voted for, that are implementing these decisions. And no one wants to ask the government, but happily rants about how Islam is taking over their country and its in their culture to do this and they'll never integrate etc etc. The politicians that implement these decisions know very well you will never be able to see past your hatred for Islam and that is why they get a free pass with everything they implement that is remotely related to Islam.
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Just to expand upon this, if I may. I happened to be speaking to some elderly day-trippers today, on a coach trip from Kent. One old bloke just going on about how the immigration and stabbings have made him frightened to leave his house at night, and he's owned his house for 43 years now and it's never been this bad, etc etc.
I just Yessed him til he went, but it made me think even more about how much people are influenced by being bombarded by the same message all the time. ALL of our media (not just out of governmental support, but also to sell their advertising and papers), seems to be 'blaming', whether directly or indirectly, IMMIGRATION, for all the country's woes, from the NHS, to the lack of jobs, crime, welfare, unfairness and more. It was only a few years ago that the blame was all placed on DOLE SCROUNGERS and the workshy. In the 70's and 80's it was THE UNIONS. At other times there have been wars so it is all the fault of whoever THE ENEMY is at that time. The fact remains that the policy makers, the law makers, the journalists and media owners are forcing public interest and opinion and it deflects from the real causes of nearly all our problems. Unfortunately there seems to be a built-in message to anyone saying it might not be 'insert mane of current blame', which is to say they must be radical/liberal/luvvie or one of many others, and so it goes on. |
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The point is halal products are not labelled in the supermarkets and it is sold without people knowing if the animal has been stunned or not
It’s an increasing problem |
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And will continue to be just one more problem amongst many by caused by Immigration
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So there are two points , halal products should be clearly labelled in the supermarkets
And halal meat should be banned from all supermarkets and schools Oh and a third point, it should be illegal in the UK |
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And best to ignore Studyforms witterings, that the usual nonsense that bears no relevance to the problem
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some of what study says is spot on but it does not apply to the televisual experience so much
but then manufacturing news is not a new phenomenon |
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Sorry about the formatting of the below. You should be able to work it out. Doesn't present me with a problem as I never eat New Zealand lamb on principle, and I am happier with the halal method of killing fowls than with the standard electric water bath.
Re labelling of beef, lamb etc, I think the key is for consumers to know whether the animal has been prestunned - if it has been I don't care about the other bits of halal. Where is halal meat sold? SUPERMARKET OR RESTAURANT IS HALAL MEAT SOLD? ARE PRODUCTS LABELLED AS HALAL? Waitrose Yes. Some lamb is halal. All other meat is non-halal No halal labelling on New Zealand lamb Marks and Spencer Yes. All New Zealand lamb is halal. Chicken, beef and British lamb is non-halal No halal labelling on New Zealand lamb Tesco Yes. Most New Zealand lamb is halal and some other meats use halal techniques. Some halal-only counters At halal counters and kosher ranges Morrisons Yes. Some branded halal chicken, lamb and beef. New Zealand lamb is halal No halal labelling on New Zealand lamb. Halal ranges show slaughter method Sainsbury's Yes. A range of halal and kosher products Halal and kosher ranges are labelled Fortum and Mason No N/A Asda Yes. A range of halal and kosher products Only branded halal and kosher meals Pizza Express Yes Not on menus, but on website Zizzi Yes No Ask Yes Not on menus, but on website Harvester Yes Not on menus, but on website Café Rouge No N/A Giraffe No N/A Byron No N/A Nando's Yes, at most restaurants Information in some stores and online Beefeater Yes. 80% of chicken is halal No Gourmet Burger Kitchen Yes Not on menus, but on website Wetherspoons No N/A Slug and Lettuce Yes No Pret a Manger No N/A Costa Yes. 80% of chicken is halal No McDonald's No N/A Greggs Yes No KFC Yes No Subway Yes Yes |
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Why is it not labelled as pre stunned ? and halal
Because Muslims won’t buy it , and Christians won’t buy it It should be illegal imo , however at the very least it should be labelled so that everyone knows just what is going on |
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New Zealand for example sell a lot of meat to the Middle East , theirs is almost exclusively so
It should be banned from Europe , certainly Britain |
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I didn’t bother to read detravellers post study
No point . |