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By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:06
:)you made a good an honest attempt detraveller , unlike some
By:
detraveller
When: 12 Apr 18 14:07
My brain simply doesn't operate at your level lfc, but I still try. That's how I'll learn.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Apr 18 14:07
The answer is to simply provide something you couldn't say in the past.

That's all.
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:09
its very straightforward as dr crippen explains
By:
JOMO
When: 12 Apr 18 14:10
But blasphemy is not being accepted as an example?
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:12
blasphemy was quite acceptable in the past and happened on an almost daily basis
not sure about now
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:15
almost every tv station or theatre or author has been guilty to a greater or lesser degree
to say nothing about private citizens
there was I think a famous court case in the 60s
as far as I know they got off
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:15
john Mortimer the qc?
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:19
ah, the last person to be sent to jail for blasphemy was in 1921
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:20
thats in Britain of course
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 12 Apr 18 14:23
You shouldn't need examples - it all depends WHEN you're talking about.
But there have ALWAYS been things it wasn't permissible to say in public.

Censorship of letters and records and films has always taken place.
Things which were considered obscene - HUGE list from the time broadcasting began.
Slander and Libel - both examples of illegal free speech.
Things which were against the public interest, during times of war, imprisonable.
Before the industrial revolution, just about anything against the Church - often punishable by death.

Non-government rules:
Try going to a school playground and extolling the virtues of being a paedo.
Try saying what you want to an employer and keeping your job
Try some overt racism, in most places (using the 'n' word for example)

Incitement to violence
incitement to crime
Incitement to hatred.

Some of these are illegal - others are just against the common good and as such not acceptable by society.

It was far stricter before than it is now.

NO-ONE CAN JUST SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO, WHEN THEY WANT TO.
You can look up your own fecking precise examples and stop the pedantic, ridiculous arguing.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS COMPLETELY FREE SPEECH.

In other countries and at other times it is and has been FAR more strict than it is here.
So whilst it is comparatively better here in terms of freedom to say most things. There are still limits.

If not - posts wouldn't ever be removed from forums and there would be no censorship.

If you cannot understand or agree with what this post says - there is no further room to discuss it.
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:23
in the past you were simply excommunicated...well of course no one could argue with that not being a suitable and fair thing
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Apr 18 14:25
Phew - STUDY's come back with a haymaker.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Apr 18 14:27
Slander and Libel - both examples of illegal free speech.

Wrong, both civil not criminal.
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:28
you are mistaking telling lies with the right to free speech
no one has the right to tell lies
its in the bible
By:
JOMO
When: 12 Apr 18 14:28
lfc... does the fact that person was sent to jail for blasphemy not suggest they were not permitted to say whatever they did?
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:29
very sill for people to think that because you cant slander or libel people it means we don't have free speech
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Apr 18 14:30
Try going to a school playground and extolling the virtues of being a paedo.

Didn't certain Labour party members do similar some decades ago?
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:31
jomo that was in 1921, none of us were alive
what happened 500 years ago doesn't bother me, I insist on being unbothered by it
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:31
jomo that was in 1921, none of us were alive
what happened 500 years ago doesn't bother me, I insist on being unbothered by it
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:31
jomo that was in 1921, none of us were alive
what happened 500 years ago doesn't bother me, I insist on being unbothered by it
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:31
jomo that was in 1921, none of us were alive
what happened 500 years ago doesn't bother me, I insist on being unbothered by it
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:31
jomo that was in 1921, none of us were alive
what happened 500 years ago doesn't bother me, I insist on being unbothered by it
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:31
jomo that was in 1921, none of us were alive
what happened 500 years ago doesn't bother me, I insist on being unbothered by it
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:32
I suppose studyform might have been alive and that is why he is so upset
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Apr 18 14:32
You're going back too far with the religious stuff.

Monty Python's Life of Brian puts that to bed.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 12 Apr 18 14:34
Nope. It was obviously too much for you both.
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:34
so you see monty python was part of our culture, in this free and Christian and democratic country
be thankful
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:38
could we still put on such a show in Britain today, in the theatre or on tv?
I don't know, we certainly couldn't do so with some other religions
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Apr 18 14:41
Try saying what you want to an employer and keeping your job
Try some overt racism, in most places (using the 'n' word for example)


The first is not illegal. And neither was the second. Ever watch Till death us do Part?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Apr 18 14:44
If we pick further through STUDY's tiresome post.
Apart from the obscenity laws and issues of state, there's nothing there to back his case.
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 14:47
If there was no monty python, there would be no fawlty towers

and England wouldn't be England
that's` all you need to know
By:
JOMO
When: 12 Apr 18 15:26
lfc1971 • April 12, 2018 2:31 PM BST
jomo that was in 1921, none of us were alive


lfc... apologies, you are right - on reading your question again you specify a timespan. I was going by Dr C's explanation, which didn't.

Whitehouse I'm sure though brought about successful conviction(s) against someone.

Monty Python (the TV series, not just Life of Brian) was censored. Live in Aspen interview provides an example. Happy
By:
JOMO
When: 12 Apr 18 15:34
Dr Crippen • April 12, 2018 2:32 PM BST
You're going back too far with the religious stuff.

Monty Python's Life of Brian puts that to bed.


I don't see how it does. It was banned in quite a lot of cities/counties on the grounds of blasphemy.
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 15:38
It has been seen everywhere in Britain and in every home, so it hasn't been banned
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 15:38
It has been seen everywhere in Britain and in every home, so it hasn't been banned
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 15:38
It has been seen everywhere in Britain and in every home, so it hasn't been banned
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 15:38
It has been seen everywhere in Britain and in every home, so it hasn't been banned
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 15:38
It has been seen everywhere in Britain and in every home, so it hasn't been banned
By:
lfc1971
When: 12 Apr 18 15:38
It has been seen everywhere in Britain and in every home, so it hasn't been banned
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