its really not difficult, but at the same time it takes a certain intelligence
there is nothing wrong in believing and saying that if you live a good life you will go to heaven and a bad life to hell
that's free speech
however if you incite someone to create an act of violence against someone because they disagree that is no longer free speech, that is being an accomplice in murder

very well put GMAD and that is exactly what pineapple and people of that type are trying to do

But free speech is about the right to express any opinion without censorship or restraint, not just about the right to challenge ideologies and dogmas.

otherwise you are just saying "free speech should be allowed provided you don't say anything too controversial"

you see freedom of speech does not mean there is a freedom to be rude
you can be rude of course if you wish

are we starting to see such laws being introduced, yes we are starting to lose some of our freedoms because we are changing as a people
look around

the problem western nations face is not their governments so much and the restrictions placed on freedom of speech but it is the people themselves, and the change in those people
Orwell was right but in a different way, the danger for democracies is the people not the government

At the same time it is nice to be polite, and generally we were that as well. We had our own rules and customs none of which were not without its value

Holy crap. Looks like we've had a snowflake flurry in the last hour or so. Who's talking about oppression ffs?


It's very simple. Speech can be free up to a point.

GMAD actually says it: Free speech should not be used as an excuse to bully, abuse...


The word is should. And you need rules to ensure that people do what should be done.

there are groups in this country who simply do not believe in the customs and mores we hold true.

If a person is bulling someone should he be allowed to do so because of the principle of free speech?
No, and the fact that he should not do so does not impact on the principle of free speech in any way or shape or form

Now that is not to say that it is wrong to bully people in all circumstances, it may not be,  ..in the army ,perhaps a football manager etc it may be,whatever that is neither here nor there that is a different question

what it is not is a question about free speech

ive just answered that

kinell lfc... slow down mate, you'll give yourself a heart attack

Can I say that

those are the very sort of things that people are trying to supress, trying to stop people speaking out on, that is the dangerous path that Britain is on

And then these same people try to imply because for example it is illegal to tell someone to shoot someone, eg that somehow that effects the principle of freedom of speech, and that there is no freedom of speech anywhere as some have said

well it doesn't have anything to do with freedom of speech

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The child abuse disgrace, was and is dependent on suppressing free speech of the type promoted by the PC lobby.
That is a direct result of their efforts.

They should all hang their heads in shame.

I don't remember saying I wanted more or less of anything.... Did I?
You're making stuff up.

The fact remains: There is no such thing - Never has been, never will be.
It's just a fact.
Not hard to understand, nothing to do with what anyone wants.
It just IS.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING.

lfc, you are being deliberately obtuse.

It is like bemoaning the extinction of the Unicorn.
There is, was and never will be any Unicorns and the same goes for Free Speech.

Crippen - wrong as always, you are simply confusing a suppression of free speech with anyone who disagrees with you, saying thing you don't like.
The child abuse disgrace is addressed like it is, in large part because of sub-judicae. Not that free speech has ANYTHING to do with it. You're talking about it, aren't you?

If you actually thought about it, there are plenty of things YOU would object to people saying and wanting curtailed. Irrespective of which, NO government; anywhere, ever, has limitless freedom of expression.

You lot would like the world to be a big old-fashioned public bar with a daily mail on every table.

So you think you have the freedom to say whatever you want, when and wherever you want?
Simple question...
yes or no?

You can't.

Because there's no such thing.

the principle of free speech does not mean that you can say whatever you like at any time you care to choose
of course not, even a child knows that
that is not the point

Ahhh, I get it.
Your definition of free speech is different to what the definition of free speech is then.

I'm not talking about comparative free speech depending on where you live, but the principle of speaking your mind (well, most of our minds)
There may well be levels which differ between say North Korea and here and in times of war.
But even in general society and for many legal reasons - You Cannot say anything, anytime, anywhere,
WHICH BY DEFINITION MEANS - THERE IS NO SUCH THING. whether you like it or not.

And that was all I said in the 1st place.

That doesn't matter.
It still doesn't exist.