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Do you believe in free speach?
Do you believe in free speach?
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sorry
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Frankenstein when it was first realised was banned by some cinemas and councils
but it was seen on every tv and cinema in britain |
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lfc, are you referring to the post I made re Whitehouse proceedings and Monty Python TV series, or (I'm guessing) Life of Brian?
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of course some films have been banned but on obscenity laws, not freedom of speech
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non of those things were banned because of freedom of speech, and non of them remained banned ,
that's the point of course it is a different thing |
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what was said in any of these films or broadcasts or plays the could not be said,
that is the question (obscenity and violence etc is a different thing) |
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the principle of freedom of speech is not the same thing as not allowing acts of violence or obscenity to be shown
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the principle of freedom of speech is not the same thing as not allowing acts of violence or obscenity to be shown
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the original question was quite explicit in that it referred to freedom of speech
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the original question was quite explicit in that it referred to freedom of speech
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the original question was quite explicit in that it referred to freedom of speech
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the original question was quite explicit in that it referred to freedom of speech
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the original question was quite explicit in that it referred to freedom of speech
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the original question was quite explicit in that it referred to freedom of speech
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oh blimey sorry about that
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come to think of it they did censor fawlty towers when it was on tv recently
the major was censored when first realised it was not |
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now my spellings gone to pot as well :)
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lfc... I'm not quite sure I can do a catch-all of your comments, so please shout if there's something specific I'm missing with this, but...
lfc1971 • April 12, 2018 3:38 PM BST It has been seen everywhere in Britain and in every home, so it hasn't been banned I said it was banned in a number cities/counties. You say later that "non of them remained banned , that's the point." But you're question said that you're looking for things that weren't permissible to say in Britain "in the past". So isn't it irrelevant whether they remain banned today or not? lfc1971 • April 12, 2018 3:43 PM BST non of those things were banned because of freedom of speech lfc1971 • April 12, 2018 3:44 PM BST what was said in any of these films or broadcasts or plays the could not be said, that is the question (obscenity and violence etc is a different thing) Life of Brian was not banned in certain places because of its violent content or obscenities, but because of its (perceived) blasphemous/heretical content: local authorities banned the film (under duress from Christian groups in some cases) as a result. Why? Because the film was perceived to be challenging the Christian ideology/dogma. Sanction in this case = ban. lfc1971 • April 12, 2018 3:48 PM BST the original question was quite explicit in that it referred to freedom of speech Yes, aware of that. My hunch is that you're making a point on how you define freedom of speech here. If so, could I ask how you would define it, please? lfc1971 • April 12, 2018 4:05 PM BST come to think of it they did censor fawlty towers when it was on tv recently the major was censored when first realised it was not Funnily enough, I watched a couple of eps of FT last weekend. Can't remember what channel - Dave, possibly - and nothing was censored. (One was with Major and his "I took her to see... INDIA!" monologue, which I'm guessing is the one you're referring too  ) I wouldn't be surprised if there's a few things in there that are censored today, just like there were things that were censored "back in the day" that we wouldn't think twice about today. |
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I am not saying that films and plays` have not been banned in the past including life of brian but it was not banned in Britain, it was not deemed to be blasphemous in a court of law, and no one was prosecuted for anything within it , or prosecuted fror anything said in that film This film was never banned in Britain and nobody could be prosecuted for watching it either in their home or at the cinema, it was not illegal in anyway in Britain and you could quote any line or part of that film to your hearts content at any time and anywhere safe in the knowledge that you would not be breaking any law, and those who made the film were safe in that knowledge also now try that today with some other religions by the way I think the Major in fawlty towers was censored for something he called Italians and something else he called the germans, although he may still have been able to call them K rauts I cant remember |
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now the question remains, here it is again :
If we didn't have free speech in Britain,in the past and in our lifetimes, what was it not permissible to say in Britain in the past? What was said, an example of something that couldn't be said |
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now you may think that in Britain we were not able to be blasphemous, that's wrong
it happened in all forms of art and theatre and was a routine part of everyones life ok, in 1921 someone was jailed for blasphemy...I think that's ok that's a long time ago |
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so to use the film the life of brian as an example of were we are not allowed free speech seems to me to be particularly perverse
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I think on the contrary it is quite the opposite, just my opinion
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I think on the contrary it is quite the opposite, just my opinion
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the word gay would have been used very differently
other references of loyalty to king and country 200 years ago I am thinking generally of sedition here. freedom of assembly and association - there is another word for it that prevented gatherings for the purpose of workers uniting for representation - unlawful at one time and one would not be allowed to speak out at these times or face arrest but we are going back a long long time but as for general expression one struggles to counter what lfc is implying many commonly held colloquial sayings/words would now be banned as we very well now reading naval history the word 'frogs' springs up many a time as it does in the Hornblower series as with the major's expressions - Just me thinking out loud here  |
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now - know doh!!!!
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lfc... this is why I asked my question re definition, because you (and Dr C) appear to believe that, if someone isn't convicted of something *related to* freedom of speech in a court of law in the UK, then no infringement of freedom of speech whatsoever has taken place.
Could I possibly confirm if this is what you believe? |
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prepared83 12 Apr 18 18:57
Now packaged and known as gingerbread people Sad ffs where does this madness end? |
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I have asked the question jomo
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so far no one has answered
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I know of someone who lost their council job because he was overheard referring to another worker by a racist name.
His union wouldn't entertain any appeal. The name he used was common place not many decades ago, to lose your job simply over using it was unthinkable. Yet now it's automatic as a result of The Equality Act 2010 A classic example to illustrate loss of free speech. To deny that our speech is as free as it was is clearly wrong and there's the evidence. |
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just consider the amount of self censorship their is around about equal pay, women/feminism, culture, immigration -etc etc
you could lose your job over it by not only expressing an opinion but also speaking the truth people have lost positions over it a small minority have us by the throat |
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So is there is no free speech then?
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The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006
Another act which limits what you are allowed to say. |
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you need to be very very careful what you say in todays brtiain studyform
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I have just been to the black country
 Imagine the row !!! amazing scenes on the guardian |
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as dr crippen points out,
say the wrong thing, and the wrong person overhears and it could ruin your life |
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I will be quite plain, don't trust anyone, not in the workplace
or anywhere else |
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you see the sort of censorship we have now is more dangerous, much more dangerous than the banning of films
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say what you like about the church or crack jokes but do a critique of the east and you are in trouble. ho ho
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