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Where does Germany have a different attitude than Belgium and the UK Edy?
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"dragged out and shot at dawn."
Someone's had extra snowflakes this morning! |
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Belgium will soon be dragged into line when the Super State becomes a reality.
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think there's only one person responsible for assange squatting in the ecuadorean embassy
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Like I said they'll be dragged into line.
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27 Mar 18 19:55 Joined: 13 Dec 06 | Topic/replies: 184,461 | Blogger: edy's blog Mar 27, 2018 -- 7:44PM, InsiderTrader wrote: Where does Germany have a different attitude than Belgium and the UK Edy? The UK has forced Assange to live in an embassy for how many years now? Regarding the sedition offence in the case of catalonian politicians, German and UK courts will probably agree, don't you think? As for Belgium: They came to a different conclusion in regards to a potential flight. Happens. ^ UK have not arrested Clara Ponsatí and put in it jail. If the UK does I would be happy to say that is wrong. Belgium did the right thing by allowing bail and getting the Spanish to drop their warrant. It was only after he left the country and had to travel through hostile states the Spanish brought the warrant back. The German people should stand up for him not just say it is all fine. |
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The UK has not arrested her because they expect her to show up with the police tomorrow, right? Having her current centre of life, i.e job, in the UK will probably help convince the court to leave her to roam free within the country while they decide on extradition. The UK justice system isn't flat out ignoring the warrant. It was simply decided that there is no danger that Ponsati travels around, that she will fully cooperate and oblige with any travel restrictions that will be put on her.
Can't really compare that to someone merely traveling through the country who the judges had to be unsure whether he'd really stay. And you still don't seem to understand what Belgium did. As I said in my post direct at akabula, they did not just go and say "screw you Spain! We're not going to look into your warrant. We're setting him free. He can do whatever he wants, whereever he wants." What they did do however was to voice concerns about the warrant being possibly politically motivated, like the German judge did too if you had actually read the Festhalteanordnung the court in Neumünster released. And as I keep telling you, the German Oberlandesgericht, just like the British one that will decide on Ponsati, looks unlikely to allow Spain to put Puigdemont on trial for sedition. |
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So Piedmont was on bail in Belgium and left the country? And you wonder why he has been arrested?
rofl @ Insider Trader |
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He was on bail, Spain dropped the warrant, he left legally.
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But now he knew there was a new warrant for him, yet travelled through multiple countries without going to the police and cooperating.
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Though there are some whispers he might have purposefully gotten himself arrested specifically in Germany. Supposedly a flight would've stood ready for him to directly travel from Finland to Belgium, but he chose to travel the 2000 or so kilometers by car instead.
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That there is an arrest warrant for these politicians is shameful.
He holds an 'illegal' referendum. So all they need do is point out it is unconstitutional and therefore does not count. Not smash people who were going to the polls with batons and put people in jail for peaceful political activity. |
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27 Mar 18 23:13 Joined: 05 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 7,241 | Blogger: dave1357's blog So Piedmont was on bail in Belgium and left the country? And you wonder why he has been arrested? rofl @ Insider Trader ^ Dave you have proved yourself to know nothing about this case. As Edy said he left when the charges were dropped. Spain then put the warrant back out when they knew he was out of Belgium and in a country more likely to give him up. Dave it appears you just oppose anything just for the sake of it without bothering to research the topic. |
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Dave it appears you just oppose anything just for the sake of it without bothering to research the topic.
I obviously misinterpreted Edy's comment The only difference is that they, at a different time and under a different set of circumstances, released him on bail while putting a travel restriction on him In any case the disingenuous one is you. Your hate for EU countries and the EU is obvious and this topic is simply a representation of that. As has already been pointed out to you, there are numerous free countries that have anti sedition, anti treason laws. The only reason they are rarely used is that the circumstances that would lead to their use are also rare and quite likely better addressed by less dramatic charges. If Piedmont believes the action against him is politically motivated, he can claim asylum. |
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Dave,
Is all you know about this topic the information other people have written on this thread? Have you looked into it at all yourself? Sure I feel that the EU should have opposed Spain for its violence and these warrants. But so should the UK, the USA and many other countries. It is not just the EU that has not acted. Do you really think the violent oppression and warrants for crimes that do not exist elsewhere is the another the problem. You are in favour of 30 year jail terms for calling an illegal referendum rather than just defusing the situation by calling the referendum null and void? Yes the law was broken but the laws were broken by civil rights campaigners in the USA and womens rights campaigners in the UK. Same in South Africa. You cannot see the bigger picture. Are you really infavour of Clara Ponsati being sent back to Spain to face a possible 30 years in prison? |
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No I'm not in favour of these things and I think Spain bungled the issue, but that isn't the initial post you made. You attacked Germany not Spain.
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IT, I think someone like you should be the very last person to talk about people not having informed themselves before blabbering around. Your history on here has shown that time after time.
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Edy,
That is a strange comment with no evidence to back it up. Is it a case again of attacking the poster to avoid discussing the issues? Are you really infavour of Clara Ponsati being sent back to Spain to face a possible 30 years in prison? |
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the man rocked the boat,its all about Control and so he must pay the price.going to Germany was foolish to say the least though
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Well, in this topic alone you showed that you couldn't be bothered to inform yourself on the verdict given by the court in Neumünster. The very verdict you opened this topic about.
Then of course you also keep talking about Ponsati facing 30 years in prison, when reading anything about it would've told you that the UK doesn't recognise the crime (though strangely you actually know this), meaning she won't be extradited on those charges, meaning Spain can't put her on trial for it (this is where you should've informed yourself on how the EAW works maybe). So why keep bringing up and trying to stir things up and asking others about supporting something that isn't going to happen? It's your classical, disingenuous strawman on steroids that you absolutely love to use. There's other examples too. Like when you blabber around about there being no mechanism to remove Juncker (you got this from Burtie06 without checking for validity before you kept spreading the word, didn't you? Bad, bad, bad idea. He's a serial liar. Always make sure to validate anything he says). |
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28 Mar 18 12:05 Joined: 13 Dec 06 | Topic/replies: 184,467 | Blogger: edy's blog Then of course you also keep talking about Ponsati facing 30 years in prison, when reading anything about it would've told you that the UK doesn't recognise the crime (though strangely you actually know this), meaning she won't be extradited on those charges, meaning Spain can't put her on trial for it (this is where you should've informed yourself on how the EAW works maybe). So why keep bringing up and trying to stir things up and asking others about supporting something that isn't going to happen? It's your classical, disingenuous strawman on steroids that you absolutely love to use. ^ Edy, It is on her own twitter feed, her lawyer and St Andrews University saying about her facing up to 30 years in prison then? You think I am lying. Do you think they are also lying? She is crowd funding to get legal help. You see everything in black and white. |
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You sure I'm the one seeing everything in contrasting black and white by actually weighing up probabilities and scenarios instead of promoting scenarios that aren't going to happen?
I don't think you're lying. You just never bother to inform yourself if you like the explanation you've form in your head. Or even flat out refuse to inform yourself any further. |
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http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16121574.Watch__Former_Catalan_minister_hands_herself_into_police/
You support Spain in this. That is fine. Tens of thousands of people disagree with you. |
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there is a very worrying support for the heavy hand of the eu on here but why should I be surprised at that - they have their agenda - licking the erse of their brussel's masters.
and they call us european friends and one big family together - it is a load of rollocks - it is all about control |
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Oh IT, I forgot how you also absolutely love to make stuff up and claim invalid positions of others in addition to refusing to inform yourself if it would run in danger of opposing your preformed opinion.
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moisok/mobo/not allowed to bet has woken up to resume polluting the thread with ranting.
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wheres the rant dave its completely true--wait for the abuse
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It's a rant like most of his posts.
The EU isn't involved in any of these issues. Germany can't ignore an arrest warrant (and hasn't), Britain can't ignore an arrest warrant (and hasn't). It is up to the two Catalan politicians to make representations to the relevant courts. |
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to say the eu is not involve in any of these issues IN EUROPE ho ho ##that sure is a good 'un
they are up to there greasy necks in it and anything else they think might affect their control from brussels central. they even have a 400 million euro budget for their propaganda ministry but then there are so many sucking up to the eu coz they have eu related jobs, and personal positions, eu sinecures - all part of the gravy train different nationalities etc etc and of course their identities are hidden on the internet you would be amazed call me cynical ho ho ho |
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is not involved
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look at their response to hungary poland etc for starters and more of that to come as the crisis deepens in europe and in the euro zone
I see some rather gloomy figures leaking out from economists re eurozone activity oops !!! don't mention it - is it a hate crime ? if not I guess it will be eventually coz to speak out against the EU will annoy someone and that is all you have to do to get reported |
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The EU is originally involved in that the European Arrest Warrant is a pan European thing due to being in the EU.
Maybe he was trying to get caught and become a martyr and stir things up, why in this age of technology would he want to travel to the other side of the EU and back, 2000 km or whatever through many countries, to talk to someone, when he appeared safe where he was? He didn't "rock the boat". He tried to break an actual sovereign country up and that country thinks this wasn't cool and that it (unsurprisingly) broke their laws. If you can't understand why that's an issue then you have problems. |
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big brother in operation - but I understand why people just don't see the inherent evil in the whole system of the eu
control control control this incident is just one of many of trying to rein in anyone trying to step outside of their influence most of you were born into it - the eu is what is considered the norm, as its values are, for over many decades,- it so why change it or challenge it to challenge it is almost like blasphemy and reaction to this is often quite hysterical they simply do not want to lose on any account and particularly do not want to lose our money etc and we have little influence within it, as the uk is seen as the awkward squad I remember time outside it and how we were kept out by a particular french general ho ho and we were almost desperate to join (well some businesses and politicos did) |
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Just Checking • March 28, 2018 2:18 PM BST
The EU is originally involved in that the European Arrest Warrant is a pan European thing due to being in the EU If it didn't exist something else similar would. moisok's demented ranting of cliche after cliche is simply embarrassing. |
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no it's not
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dave
your type simply do not like any opposite viewpoints it is the 'progressive's' way |
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Dave opposes anything that questions the status quo.
On this thread he did not even read what it was about before jumping in spouting his nonsense. Lets be clear: Belgium granted bail Scotland granted bail Germany refused bail |