Germany has remanded former Catalan Leader in custody

starting point

This is the sort of propaganda we still pay for.  It spews out unchecked and certainly never critiqued on television current affairs etc. It is also fed into the education system.

'The following visionary leaders inspired the creation of the European Union we live in today. Without their energy and motivation we would not be living in the climate of peace and stability that we take for granted nowadays'
EVER HEAR OF NATO  - DO YOU SEE HOW THEY TWIST AND REWRITE HISTORY FROM DAY ONE OF THE EU

The political divisions between east and west Europe are finally declared healed when no fewer than 10 new countries join the EU in 2004, followed by Bulgaria and Romania in 2007.
I WONDER AT THEY DON'T MENTION THE ENCROACHMENT INTO THE UKRAINE BY THE EU AND THE CURRENT STATE OF RUSSO/EU RELATIONS
Just two little items!!!!!!!for starters.

mobbo, you might want to consider actually sitting down to talk to a modern day German one day instead of sticking with, then fully justified, ideas from when you grew up in the 1930s.

hi all you clever guys out there
any of you good people ever read any european history

it is very enlightening

I think edy is addressing me moisok   

My reply - why on earth would I want to sit down and talk to a modern day german - it's the modern(?) day woman I need to talk to

the one in charge of the eu with her expansionist actions and further ideas for creating and even greater germanic empire

hope this helps

you forgot to add that she'll march east with her army of arabs ho ho

I have never said that.
kindly provide a link
or apologise

But then germans have a history of being good at propaganda.  The lies they say and print have been legion.  I am sorry to see yet another german doing the same on here.

Eu budget available for propaganda 3.9billion euros

half a billion for countering eurosceptisism

1984 is already with us

astonishing scenes

Pardon me, I can indeed not find the instance. Must be using the wrong keywords. It's hard to come up with good keywords regarding your posts because they are such horrendous drivel.

Only found you saying Merkel wants Turkey in the EU as fodder for the march eastwards. Turks - Arabs...what's the difference really, right?

Either way, my dear friend, we're brothers and allies. Closest buddies and mates. Peaceful and scared to lead and take responsibility in any way. The UK and Germany are like as close as the two following parallel lines |

Hopefully even you will realize one day

you see the type - distraction obfuscation disinformation and plain lies

forget any rational discussion with this type

when caught out telling outright lies it suddenly becomes

'Must be using the wrong keywords. It's hard to come up with good keywords regarding your posts because they are such horrendous drivel.'

NOT IT IS NOT  IT IS TELLY PLAIN LIES

better hop over to brussels with your chum United biscuits for another strategy and propaganda assessment and learn how to tell lies a little better  - certainl a german trait on here

telly plain lies  wtf    I mean  telling plain lies

Technically I never claimed you had said she'd march east, you know?

with arabs

spouting lies and making out I said the below

edy    29 Mar 18 14:06 
you forgot to add that she'll march east with her army of arabs ho ho

lies to fit the eu agenda - a common trait amongst the eu lovers and merkel's friends

I'm honestly sorry for remembering wrong. It's great that we agree that Germany is peaceful and isn't looking to march East.

'cuz let's be realistic here: Germany is still a traumatized nation that is even utterly scared to lead within the EU.

or let's not say traumatized...let's say a smartened up country that was thankfully forced to come to grips with its crimes of the past (the world would be a better place if even more countries started having sober looks at their past)

We didn't even participate in the Iraq war because we were all like "NO!"

of course such decisions to say no to invasions are helped by the Bundeswehr having about one fully working and ready tank.

Mar 29, 2018 -- 3:59PM, edy wrote:

We didn't even participate in the Iraq war because we were all like "NO!"

when, you see, all the other countries were like "YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAR! FUN!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" because it's their favourite pasttime.

german behaviour  - solidly behind us -

merkel approves  WAIT FOR IT


the new russo/german gas pipe line

liars and cheats - two faced - have they ever changed??

but then merkel was one of the band of eastern brothers and sisters originally

putins pu$$y  owned and paid for

putin's p.....

Matey, make your mind up. First, in this thread, you talk about Merkel being behind bad relations with Putin, now she's his puss in boots.

Really gotta decide, matey mate.

anyone know if they were good at this propaganda before?

do they have any form for it??

How many times do you have to be told this isn't about an opinion but trying to break up a country before it sinks in?

In any free country it should of course be perfectly legal to 'try and break the country up' so long as no violence is advocated.

Really gotta decide,matey mate


Fxxk me edy are you Henning Wehn in disguise

I love the two faced german politburo.  They have givin putin a harsh lesson - virtually a thrashing by sending 4 diplomats back.

Meanwhile merkel approves the new russo/german gas pipeline

amazing scenes

Which pipeline?

So have we decided on Merkel being Putin's puss in boot now for good or will you have changed your mind for the complete opposite again tomorrow?

meanwhile
that bastion of the eu family and the country backing us against russia (4 expelled - a big hip hip hooray)
in the form of merkel etc  -  just approved the new russo/german pipeline

that sure showed that putin fella - TAKE THAT from germany comrade

hang on a min - she used to be a comrade of theirs ho ho ho ho

the eu stands right behind us

and that is what worries me

they can stab you in the back easier

Don't worry, Germany won't link up with Russia to invade the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Not within the next three years anyway, big spiked helmet promise.

It's your "guests" you should be more concerned about, edy.  Imho, of course.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/938824/Germany-news-duisburg-state-of-emergency-fight-riot-machetes
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that is right wing propaganda  and don't mention the yoof unemployment that germany has imposed on the southern countries

Plenty out there about it, Mo

https://squawker.org/culture-wars/80-muslim-refugees-with-machetes-fight-in-streets-of-germany-while-police-watch-and-do-nothing/
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Why should I be concerned about a bunch of foreigners trying to murder each other with machetes? That's a good thing surely.

Hey mobbo, just imagine Corbyn getting over the constant smear campaigns (none of which he bears any responsibility at all for of course) and becomes Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. You could form a new Axis of Ultimate Good together with Putin and Merkel

What kinda total BS website is squawker btw?

Very few, if any, of the involved will have been refugees. It was an organised gang brawl. It is sad that drug trafficking has been taken out of the honest and nice german rocker gangs (though reportedly people with only a german passport were involved, which doesn't have to mean though that they're pure blooded Übermensch Aryans of course)

*organised gang meet&greet

It's all part of the trend - 'progressives' on here try to play it down as though it is someone else involved.  It is not only sad and blinkered but also very dangerous not to recognise the severe problem they have in the failed eu project.  It is sad there are so many who are prepared to defend the eu and to try to silence opposition.

tps://www.thelocal.es/20171103/eu-and-germany-back-spain-over-arrests-of-deposed-catalan-ministers

The eu defenders on here worship this vindictive organisation.  The eu hates the idea of anyone stepping out of line.
No wonder the german led eu wants to disrupt brexit.

I'm not sure if not getting involved in matters of national sovereignty can really be described as vindictive.

Btw, did you just not notice the article was from november or did you lil cutesy rascal try to mislead people?

and for the EU parliament, commission etc. Catalonia being independent wouldn't have been the slightest problem anyway. Catalonia would've sought EU membership. So stepping out of line is quite a faulty description as well. Funnily enough I keep hearing, even on here, that the EU would love to break up nation states. Catalonia breaking away and probably causing a ripple effect in other nations, breaking them up to open the way for a federal union or confederation of states would suit them just fine.

The problematic thing is those nation states kinda have a self-preservation instinct and hence won't go and rush to Catalonia's help. Many of the sillily heralded nation states are a rather random collection of historical regions that are simply the result of force.

Like Germany :P

Exactly!

With Germany it's a bit less bad because the very wise victors made sure to turn us into a proper federal republic with the states somewhat resembling the historical regions, but in countries with a strong central government it's just random. If e.g Spain would reform into a federal republic and gave the historical regions more rights, we probably wouldn't even have this thread. Similar story if the UK turned into a federal republic with proper rights that are set in stone instead of simply some devolution of powers.

The sycophantic bleating of eu sympathisers of the german led juggernaut is so evocative of an earlier era.  The billions of euros spent on its propaganda and a  build up of hysterical accusations is reminiscent of some very nasty and sinister propagandists.  Note the same country that did this before.

Germany has done something really clever solely in its own interest and not the rest of the eu.  If it had continued with the mark its products would be very expensive to sell to the rest of europe.  But it is not. Clever clever germany.

Can you make one of those cool tv late night show top10 lists regarding the hysterical accusations?

and don't forget how germany became the leading light in encouraging the invasion of foreign elements

Invading others never worked out and only led to sorrow. Since the fantastic Albert Einstein already taught us that trying the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result is the definition of insanity, we had to try it the other way around.

Regardless, can you make one of those cool tv late night show top10 lists regarding the hysterical accusations? Pretty, pretty please?

Merkel's glorious record for the fatherland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2wf_qvXVKc

Are you going to give me that top10 list of hysterical accusations if I throw in some virtual jellied eel?

Merkel's marauder's supporters, on here, in their uncritical and  unstinting support as they glorify the reign of their mistress, despite the dislocation her actions have caused in their own country.  The authorities even advise how and  when women should go out at night.  Even what they should wear in case it excites some of  Merkel's new entrants.

Geez, did nobody ever teach you that a dialogue requires picking up points and questions of the other person instead of randomly ranting on like a severely mentally ill person?

Also, I was asking for the top10 hysterical accusations from the EU/Germany, not for a top10 of your own hysterical statements you keep delivering.

Shameful, isn't it Mo?  I have a good few German friends and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them would be ashamed of some of their fellow countrymen's smart arse comments in here.

Another one for the iggy bin

The thing is though, trillby, I've never seen anyone on here glorify Merkel. Have you? Mobbo as usual and as he has all thread long is just ranting hysterical things out of his bum opening.

trilby

it is so obvious that anyone who has a very cynical view of the world and does not trust any of the politicos gets derided on here and on tv progs

and the erse licking that goes on here - especially when related to certain subjects particularly the eu and ANYTHING to do with the invaders - a critique of the fatherland's leadership (ho ho ) is not to be allowed

ANY opposition is to be derided insulted etc etc  - I no longer have any regard at all to these types

they seem to lap up all the eu propaganda and repeat the lies,  so I feel one has to oppose and counter it if it is wrong and a danger to our society

they even have nearly 4 billion euros to- spend on propaganda and spend it they do

they even have a billion to counter eu scepticism

mate, you gotta become more consistent with your numbers. Within days it's sometimes 400 million for EU propaganda, sometimes half a billion, sometimes 4 billions. To counter EU scepticism it was half a billion two days ago, now it's one billion...

That's fair enough, mo, but in a place such as here I prefer simply to disconnect their oxygen and have them GONE!  Life's too short and I have far more important things to do than to read their repetitive bullshine over and over

Especially that of the smart erses

no the budget was 3.9billion euros

hope this helps

you can soros half a mill to that too

you can add soros half mill to that

Ok, will remind you when you change the number to something else again next week.

Hey, is Soros part of the "special interest group" that has been organising these ultra defamatory anti-Corbyn marches that Jeremy and his actions bear absolutely not the slightest bit of responsibility for btw?

the eu propagandists spew out more and more approval of the merkel lead eu.  What will she do next?

They love her on here.

Germany calling - Germany calling

I just love this stuff

The EU itself believes that it has a mission to educate the public. Helpfully, senior representatives of the European Commission have not been shy in claiming a role in a campaign to 'educate' the public as to the advantages of EU membership. In an interview on the BBC's Breakfast with Frost the former EC President Jacques Santer said: "We have as politicians to inform the population and train them in this direction". More importantly, those who would doubt our claim that the EU is engaged in a long term project to shift the public's loyalties from the nation-state to the EU's institutions and underpin the newly emerging European State should consider the following details from the many treaties, reports and plans to foster 'European consciousness':

Oh deary me.


Of concern through its support for educational projects from nursery school to higher education that promote the development of European citizenship. Includes funding for the Youth European Parliament and Model European Parliament Foundation, together with the measure Parliaments Representing the Youth of Europe.
Funding €248,150,000

Achtung Mo, your name is on ze list!

not sure what santer is on about, very few European countries still exist
certainly not Germany France or Britain

mobbo, do you ever answer questions, or otherwise actually respond to things that were said, instead of randomly ranting around to yourself, completely irregardless of what was said previously?

Mar 31, 2018 -- 6:40PM, lfc1971 wrote:

not sure what santer is on about, very few European countries still existcertainly not Germany France or Britain

Germany is plenty European still.

Christian party ruling, Lederhosen, beer, schnaps, more beer, jägermeister, football the most popular sport, Skat, cricket not popular at all, rocking anti-semitism, garden gnomes, Kartoffelklöße, Kohlrouladen, Easter bunny, Tannenbaum, punctuality, allotment gardens with well kept lawn and garden neighbours that fight over the silliest of things, Eisbein, Hosenträger, Kegeln, Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz...

I guess all those countries you mentioned have developed something very un-european though - an attitude on war that ranges from tiredness to rejection compared to the ur-Europeanlust for war.

Forgot a few very important things on the list: moustaches, mullets, and most importantly: manly budgie smugglers on our beaches instead of those stupid and incredibly silly looking new world bermuda shorts.

Best part of that map on the right is it reminds us that sweden and finland together look like ... well it's a little bit rude

Once Merkel gets her way the chit chat forum will be displayed in Fraktur. Some forumites my die of anger

Achtung Mo, your name is on ze list


Don't tell him Pike !

non of the eu erse lickers wouldn't know what you imply there lfc

born into something which is taken as read and cannot be changed

certainly the politicos don't want ANY fundamental change

wonder how that will end  led by merkel

how did the last attempted expansion, east, end?

it stopped at moscow

this time it stopped at the ukraine/russian border


oh hang on Merkel's other experiment  -  I forgot - the erdogan invitation - not yet - but they are waiting in the wings

tell me how any NATION will be able to stop it

when they try to stop so called refugees the eu hierarchy threaten them

and they're not stopping the immigrant flow anyway

but our erse lickers on here love it

Man, and just yesterday the two of us agreed that Germany had no aspirations for eastwards expansion. Tsk...

Dan, you're name iz alzo on ze lizt!

No, he is not. All due respect to Dan, I like him, but it's not that easy to get on my easter card recipient list. It's a very, very exclusive club.

That said, merry Easter Sunday everybody

Auslieferungshaftbefehl (extradition warrant) done by the court, rebellion charges already dismissed as invalid, released on bail.

Thanks for your card edy.

Good to see he is finally released on bail. He should not have been locked up for so long.

moisok you are out of order complaining about German propaganda. You cannot blame modern day Germans for the actions of Goebbels. One man angry about not getting a job in the Jewish dominated press almost 100 years ago has nothing to do with modern day Germany. Its is like people in the 1980s blaming Britain for setting up concentration camps in South Africa at the turn of the last century. All countries and cultures have a history that is not acceptable in the modern world. Most have adapted to the modern world and have equal rights for women etc.

The hope now is that Spain drop the charges again as they did when Belgium refused to allow the sedition charges.

don't think I am - I am saying it is the politicos who follow similar lines. Led by the the expansionist Merkel, who has just agreed to a deal with putin over the gas pipeline.  There's solidarity with the uk for you.

ps  and quite a few german PEOPLE also vote for her so approve of these moves?

pps  and what about all these hysterical claims about the growth of nazi style groups - I guess that hasn't happened either.  Must be 'progressive' propaganda.

Merkel is a product of a broken political system in Germany. The majority voted against her but she clings onto power. She has no children.

In 2010 Merkel said multicultural society had failed.

In her first speech in 2018 after being elected she said 'Islam is a part of Germany'.

She is clueless where she stands on the issue of our time.

It appears there is a massive guilt in Germany because of the views of a few nutters back in the 1930s. It does not help that people like moisok keep going an about it.

Hopefully the likes of Edy know they should have no guilt about it. Current Germans have done nothing wrong. They should be free to vote to protect their culture without the fear of being called a Nazi.

Just to be clear this is 2010:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11559451

Before the madness of 2015 and the tragic consequences.

Then when she clung to power in 2018:

https://qz.com/1234662/angela-merkel-says-islam-is-part-of-germany-in-her-first-major-speech-of-her-new-term/

btw Russia is far more likely to become an Islamic country than Germany.

Russia has a far higher Muslim population.

But I think you are confusing radical Islamic ideas with being a Muslim.

The two things are completely different.

hold on there - I am saying that the politicos are the ones who demand a similar hegemony over europe - why wouldn't they

and has this happened before.   

I think someone has to check out on history and motivation.  It is no accident merkel was behind the expansionist policy.

something else strange about merkel's open door policy and who it relates to was mr hilter's link with a certain islamic leader

no never happened and in no way relates to the soft open door policy of merkel

Russia's non muslim population is in a terrible decline.  pootin's oppression and corruption has driven talented young people out of the country on top of a long term population decline.  Russia should have the standard of living of western Europe but corruption prevents any investment on normal terms ie only huge companies looking to make supernormal profits.

Here's an article about the demographics

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-05/world-war-still
-haunts-putin-as-population-decline-taxes-economy

now he is cuddling up to erdthegoon,  do you think the threat of 72 million coming to the eu and us has diminshed even further?

uncle vlad may invite them all to his drum - wot u reckon?

InsiderTrader • April 5, 2018 7:29 PM BST
Merkel is a product of a broken political system in Germany. The majority voted against her but she clings onto power.

uhm...what? That's simply proportional representation, practiced by a whole bunch of countries. Not quite sure in what way you think the political system is broken. Her party got the most votes, by quite a distance even, whether people like it or not (and I did not vote for her party), and hence her party had the best chances of providing the chancellor and being part of the government.

I think it's quite rare that you get an absolute majority for parties in proportional representation. Doesn't mean the system is broken. In the UK's first past the post system, the winning party mostly seems to get 30 to 40 per cent, i.e the majority  of people voting against the winning party.

In 2010 Merkel said multicultural society had failed.

In her first speech in 2018 after being elected she said 'Islam is a part of Germany'.

These two things don't exclude each other. Also, in that very same 2010 speech in front of the Youth CDU in which Merkel declared Multikulti as failed, she already too said that Islam is part of Germany.

The stance that people need to integrate, learn the language etc., there being a sort of "Leitkultur" (leading culture) has always been there from Merkel and her party (and the Bavarian sister party CSU, which now heads the "Heimatministerium"...a sort of home&culture department). In 2010, 2015, 2018. That does not exclude Islam being practiced, and being part of Germany (which has freedom of religion in its constitution)

It appears there is a massive guilt in Germany because of the views of a few nutters back in the 1930s. It does not help that people like moisok keep going an about it.

I don't feel guilt, but keeping the remembrance alive is important.

You're welcome.

Germany must be paranoid Bavaria leaves Germany and joins Austria, after all the Bavarians are closer in race, culture and religion to Austria than the  Germans

Bavarians are well aware of how much bad Austrians have brought to this world. They'd never again join links with them, no matter both being mostly catholic and speaking absolutely inaudible.

and the bump was about German courts, as sensible, unhysterical people thought from the beginning, not allowing an extradition on charges for sedition and Spain dropping the charges altogether afterwards.

*dropping the warrant