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BBC newsreader George Alagiah reveals he’s been given 10% chance of surviving the next five years as cancer returns.

He told the Sunday Times that he discovered the cancer had come back just before Christmas last year.

And he believes that if he'd lived in Scotland, his chances of survival would be much higher.

In Scotland, patients are routinely screened for bowel cancer every year from the age of 50, whereas in the rest of the UK they don't start until 60.

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By:
casemoney
When: 26 Mar 18 00:20
Sad Bastard of a Disease
By:
thegiggilo
When: 26 Mar 18 00:41
Scotland different gravy..Sad
By:
lovegod
When: 26 Mar 18 06:48
Also in England its every two years after the age of 60.
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Mar 18 09:13
too much pressure on our health service in England, don't know why
By:
trilby22
When: 26 Mar 18 09:18
It's every two years in Scotland, not every year.  It is from age 50 though.

LFC, I can't imagine either ...
By:
wolf3011
When: 27 Mar 18 01:31
On his wage, why didnt he go private? Surely the NHS is there for people who arent paid 250 k a year and he should have some onus on himself to get health checks done rather than rely on the state. That said, have sympathy with him but if he was concerned could have been proactive himself...
By:
trilby22
When: 27 Mar 18 06:08
Absolutely, Wolf.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Mar 18 10:10
In Scotland, patients are routinely screened for bowel cancer every year from the age of 50, whereas in the rest of the UK they don't start until 60


''Patients are screened'' Shouldn't that be ''members of the public who are willing to be screened?''

Same as in England, many people don't choose to do the blood in poo tests and undergo the following endoscopies operation.
By:
crystalhunt
When: 27 Mar 18 10:14
Wolf - think you are missing the point. At the age of 50 he would probably would have had no symptoms but the screening ( poo test) could have picked up minute traces of blood and caught it early. NHS are rolling out a Bowel Scope Screening test which will be offered to people aged 55.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/bowel-cancer-screening/bowel-scope-screening/

Perhaps after his experience people will take the earliest opportunity to be tested
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Mar 18 10:16
''endoscopies''
That should be colonoscopy.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Mar 18 10:21
Yes wolf,
I'm always amazed at people on high incomes who use the NHS instead of paying for private healthcare.

What's the point of all their money if they still take second best?
By:
ufcdan
When: 27 Mar 18 11:10
One reason for the difference in care. Scotland five million. England fifty three million !
By:
wolf3011
When: 27 Mar 18 23:16
I  used to use private health care myself but due to dwindling finances now have to rely on the shambles that is the NHS. I phoned last week for a GP appointment at my local place in Bury and the earliest they could get me in was late April. I have sympathy for anyone with cancer but earning 250 k a year , he should have private health checks and actually think the NHS should be means tested for those who earn below a certain income... I'm not talking about emergency ambulance treatment but no one on his salary should be clogging up NHS waiting rooms for screens.
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 28 Mar 18 00:23
the ignorance of this thread knows no bounds

George Aligiah was first diagnosed in 2014 wiv bowel cancer - he beat it only for it to return as a secondary cancer 2 yrs later - he beat it again only for it to return early this year - his secondary cancer was Liver cancer where he had no less than 8 legions in his liver - he was treated and responded well again and beat it - sadly its returned a third time and this time it looks like its gona beat him

God forbid some of you sad fcuks that think otherwise but this disease knows no bounds - I am going thru the exaxct same programme as him so yeah call me touchy if you like but ive got the blue peter badge -got the bowel cancer 2015 - self diagnosed so caught early doors - ileostomy bag put on then removed mar17 - all clear oct 2017 then gallbladder out and legions caught on liver - currently having vicious chemo to clean the whole system and when I say its not very nice then times it by 5 or even 10 times

Bobby Robson beat the fecker 7 times and its not a subject for left/right agendas cos the NHS is the biggest lie they will ever tell you
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 28 Mar 18 00:25
ps the NHS aint a shambles wolf and trust me ive had Bupa insurance for 20 yrs plus
By:
casemoney
When: 28 Mar 18 00:35
I had Blood in Urine Feb Last year Had a cancerous Tumour Removed from my Bladder 4 weeks Later ,One. I have been very lucky that I passed the Blood in the Day and seen it ,2 Fantastic service from the NHS ,I was still clear on my last Check 3 weeks back ,and no need to go back for 12 months will do a Pish test in 6 months ,the NHS minimum saved my Bladder ,and probably   my Life .I am far from out of the Woods but getting the first year clear is Massive, BC has and 80 % return rate 50 % usually in the first year, So I have gone from 5 on to 2 against Long may it last Happy

The treatment I have received from the NHS was fantastic ,Others I have met on my Journey over the past 12 months on a BC forum
have not been so lucky ,some with a Simular initial Diagnosis do not have the same outlook Sadsome from the States also struggling to
cover the Medical Fees which are Rediculous ..

Also in the past 12 months I passed blood heavily from the Rear and had some stomach problems So went through the whole rigmarole for that in about 3 weeks ,thankfully nothing was found just a few internal farmers Grin  It has been an interesting 12 months to say the Least Happy
By:
casemoney
When: 28 Mar 18 00:40
G luck Smirn , on the other Forum I was on ,there was Guy said, once you have had it the only real certainty of it not returning is if Something else Kills you Laugh I shouldn't laugh but make him about Right ,I was very very lucky Smirn ,
Chin up mate and Keep going Happy
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 28 Mar 18 00:50
Case I got all clear from colonoscopy in Oct -no return from bowel cancer only to have the bad news in dec - ive now had 3 sessions of chemo -3rd one today which has made me a ratty bastard cos it was a tough one - but what those girls/men go thru to make us comfy is beyond the call of duty and anyone that derides the NHS  wants to give their heads a shake cos what they get paid is nowhere near enough and thank our lucky stars its there in the first place no matter what the lefties/righties think about it

I cudnt giv a flying fook what either side thinks about the nhs but one things for sure there are very few negs when you need em and that's a fact simples
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 28 Mar 18 00:50
Case I got all clear from colonoscopy in Oct -no return from bowel cancer only to have the bad news in dec - ive now had 3 sessions of chemo -3rd one today which has made me a ratty bastard cos it was a tough one - but what those girls/men go thru to make us comfy is beyond the call of duty and anyone that derides the NHS  wants to give their heads a shake cos what they get paid is nowhere near enough and thank our lucky stars its there in the first place no matter what the lefties/righties think about it

I cudnt giv a flying fook what either side thinks about the nhs but one things for sure there are very few negs when you need em and that's a fact simples
By:
casemoney
When: 28 Mar 18 00:58
Spot on Smirn  , and bring on another all Clear for you when Chemo has been completed Happy

Nhs 2nd to None Happy
By:
wolf3011
When: 28 Mar 18 01:01

Mar 28, 2018 -- 12:25AM, smirnoff2therescue wrote:


ps the NHS aint a shambles wolf and trust me ive had Bupa insurance for 20 yrs plus


Not getting a doctors appointment for 5 weeks is a fcking shambles... try telling kids that cant get cancer drugs due to the state of it that it isn't a shambles. Just because you struck lucky means fck all with the NHS, its a post code lottery.

By:
wolf3011
When: 28 Mar 18 01:08
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/baby-died-after-delayed-caesarean-6457077

Try telling the parents of this baby the merits of the NHS... we all have different expriences but if you took your head out of your ar/se you would realise the NHS is chronically overstretched and for many unfit for purpose. You can lay the blame at many things, immigration and increasing numbers the main issue IMO but doesn't alter the problems and the state of healthcare in 2018 England
By:
casemoney
When: 28 Mar 18 01:20
There are desperate cases that Happen wolf , I have known many people that have been very ill and treated by the NHS In most cases  the very best was done for them . In a few it would not have mattered where they were treated ...

The only reasons for things being overstretched Are a Shortage of Staff or too many Customers, for what ever reason that may be , in any business ..

I know if a Person is Gravely ill where they go and get help .. Free of charge ...
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 28 Mar 18 01:34
wolf I have no idea where you live but the greater chance of survival I wud guess is actually the further North you go - I can only speak as I find and I paid£42 a mth into a bupa/clinical illness policy for years cos when I sold it it was a 1 in 4 chance and yet it never picked up my missus illness until it was almost too late
ps the chances of getting it are now in one in two so g/l but I shall refrain from further conversation with you
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 28 Mar 18 01:42
And heres the joker in the pack for those that thinks its their life style


think of a 4-5yr old kid that gets this bastard disease - have they took too many drugs too many bears or two many jelly babies ffsShockedShockedShocked
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 28 Mar 18 01:43
*beers
By:
Facts
When: 28 Mar 18 03:52
Best wishes to you both, casemoney and Smirnoff. Cancer is a terrible disease.
Thank God for our NHS. All the people who work there are the real heroes in this country.
It is a national disgrace that our Government is hell bent on destroying it.
It is they that are a ' shambles ' not the NHS.
By:
ufcdan
When: 28 Mar 18 10:46
Echoing Facts sentiments, I wish you both well for the future. I lost my wife fifteen and a half years ago, my best man/mate four years later. Fxxking horrible disease Angry regards private medical it is my understanding if you have something wrong with you, you end up back with the BHS. Only difference being you have your own room and a telly.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 28 Mar 18 11:42
I don't doubt that people can get cancer for various reasons, and some a lot more than others.

The case of the 4-5year old kid getting it, does not mean that all reasons suspected for causing cancer should be discounted.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 28 Mar 18 11:58
A theory put forward by T. Campbell the researcher and others, suggests that a high protein intake is potentially a cause of cancer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEWAf6sOGv0

In one study he made he said they gave rats tumors then fed them protein in varying degrees.
The tumors grew when the protein was increased, but growth was halted as protein was reduced.

Interesting work from T Campbell who certainly points his finger at diet.

Of course he's been attacked by the animal food industry for his views.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 28 Mar 18 13:03
All the best to casemoney and smirnoff hope you lads get/keep everything under control.

Dr Crippen very interesting piece to me as I consume Casein daily having just gone back on a very low carb/keto diet but had reduced protein intentionally with more greens added thinking I was doing the right thing health wise.
I'd appreciate any good links and info regarding plant based nutrition as you know I'm interested in learning anything beneficial health wise.
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 28 Mar 18 14:51
Theres no doubt that diet can /will play a big part in this horrible disease for many people but its only one part of a complex puzzle that is the human body becos all of us are uniquely different - some people can drink themselves to death at an early age whilst others can do the same and live to be a hundred - similarly wiv smoking whilst we all know the damage it can do I think the vast majority of population are still smokers - cud be wrong on that as ive never smoked but do know theres been a vast reduction in actual smokers.
And then if you move onto the food industry its clear that they have a lot to answer for in the large increase in cancer cases from the pesticides and other things they use to grow fruit and veg these days right down to all the other sorts of gunk they put into the food we eat -its a never ending cycle and maybe one of the reasons that despite the great advances in cancer treatments more and more people are being diagnosed with the disease - 1 in 2 are likely to be diagnosed nowadays as opposed to 1 in 4 barely 20 yrs ago depending what figures you look at.
Also the politics involved in treating these diseases is indeed criminal - in my case I again got lucky in that I qualified for one of these clinical trial drugs (that seemingly cost thousands due to chemical giants holding NHS to ransom in most cases) plainly down to the protein levels in my genes being susceptible to reacting positively to the drug - thankfully I passed the initial tests and was lucky enough that there was funding available to give me a better chance of success but in this day and age this shoudnt be the case but as long as the NHS continues to be used as a political football then things will never improve to a satisfactory level.
I'm fairly passionate about these things for personal reasons and I could go on and on about things but its actually quite tiring typing it out so shall leave it there but please never have a go at the guys n girls on the shop floor as it were cos the jobs they do are amazing really considering what they are up against
Just my opinion though
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 28 Mar 18 14:56
Denzil theres so much info out there its almost frightening and if you followed everything to letter of law then you would be left wiv nowt to eat but berries and nuts - everything in moderation I suppose is the way to go
By:
treetop
When: 28 Mar 18 15:43
The NHS needs better management,one report I read says they recruited 1300 more suits but lost 400 nurses,strange priorities but anyone in big organisations will recognise the Empire building syndrome when a secretary is needed more than an engineer or technician.
One aspect of cancer that bothers me is when the missus talked with an aussie consultant on her way to visit Oz and she reckoned genetics played a more important part than many realised.We had done a lot of genealogy research and found that ALL of her family had gone from cancers but most of mine had gone from heart problems(had mine,a warning it seems just afterwards).Lifestyle may obviously be a factor but we still haven't really found the trigger for this horrible disease.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 28 Mar 18 15:57
smirnoff berries and nuts mightn't be a bad idea for me I'm too heavy and have been a bit vain not wanting to look skinny-fat and losing too much muscle tissue but now I'm going to go the health first route.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 28 Mar 18 16:12
Denzil, John McDougall is one of the strongest supporters of a plant based diet.

He has a lot to say about the deleterious effects of eating animal products.
There's a link on the right hand side of that YouTube page I gave earlier.
The video is called Death by Dairy or the Perils of Dairy. 

Some eye opening stuff right there.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 28 Mar 18 16:15
Thanks
By:
Foinavon
When: 28 Mar 18 18:34
Best wishes to Casemoney and Smirnoff. Sincerely hoping that your treatment will be completely successful.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 28 Mar 18 19:56
Dr Crippen have watched the Death By Dairy video I was shocked tbh and feel like a bit of a t it given the amount of dairy in my diet changes ensue cheers Grin
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