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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-43468076

So you Park a car on a Ramp that leads to a River ,Come back out its Gone and you start a facebook alert that it has been stolen ...

I am not being funny but anyone with an Ounce's  first though would the Car has rolled into the River ... Plain

Then when they Realise the Child is dead they are still posting on Facebook ,What fckin planet do these people Live on ,Unbelievable .

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By:
Capt__F
When: 20 Mar 18 22:18
very very sad yet strange storySad
By:
casemoney
When: 20 Mar 18 22:27
Tragic ,Capt but fck  Me something don't seem right ,If the Child had been mine I would have needed medical assistance ,no chance of Posting anything anywhere ..
By:
xmoneyx
When: 20 Mar 18 22:31
boyfriend admiting it , handbrake off

how did car not turn as it rolled
By:
casemoney
When: 20 Mar 18 22:35
I am screaming the Fckin car is in the River ,I am in looking for it and hopefully someone will come to my Aid , The last thing I am doing is Contacting me Mrs to start a Stolen Car hunt on FB ....

Never heard the Like .
By:
casemoney
When: 20 Mar 18 22:37
And I cant swim ,if it were me I would have gone with the Child ,could not face life after that, How could you get up each day thinking of what Happened ?
By:
akabula
When: 20 Mar 18 22:39
Tis very sad but strange that she could post when told the child was dead.
Posting on social media would be the last thing on your mind. Crazy place to park as well.
By:
casemoney
When: 20 Mar 18 22:45
They work next to It Aka Plain Outdoor Pursuit Types , no doubt the Police will undertake a full investigation ,I hope it is a Tragic Accident ,but not only has she left the Handbrake off ,she has wasted valuable time
fckin about getting  the partner to post on FB .......
By:
kincsem
When: 21 Mar 18 00:18
coincidences aligned.
By:
Emitdeb
When: 21 Mar 18 00:34
Mum getting charged with murder or something close to it.... 1.01...
By:
tobermory
When: 21 Mar 18 00:50
The dad posted this on facebook..


"Just to let every one who keeps asking how know.
It was the lemons stacked up too far!

They got in the car to go home.
Sat on bank card which snapped and needed money to get home etc.
Went back to the office to get money from the desk and came back to no car.
looked in the river No signs. So we thought she and the car had been taken.
The police found the car a while later and went way beyond the call of duty jumping in and pulling her out.
They tried to revive her for hours but unfortunately could not.
Everyone done their best.

Thank you all so much for the support it means the world!!! [happy smiley] "


Plain
By:
Emitdeb
When: 21 Mar 18 00:50
On reflection... I'd lynch the pair of them... Stinks to high heaven. This was planned.
By:
bigH
When: 21 Mar 18 01:12
Surely if the handbrake was left off the car would have started rolling as soon as she got out of the car and she'd surely would have noticed that.
By:
casemoney
When: 21 Mar 18 01:38
Good Point H
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 21 Mar 18 01:53
In response to the dad's facebook post you'd think his Budgie had got eaten by next doors' cat by the wording of the postCrazy
Once again another little dose of the present and future the country is fcuked with very little in the way of common sense all downhill from hereSad
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 21 Mar 18 09:27
There is nothing good about facebook
By:
Latalomne
When: 21 Mar 18 09:49

Mar 21, 2018 -- 1:53AM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:


In response to the dad's facebook post you'd think his Budgie had got eaten by next doors' cat by the wording of the postOnce again another little dose of the present and future the country is fcuked with very little in the way of common sense all downhill from here


I literally couldn't believe what I was reading when I saw it on the Beeb website.  I know everyone deals with things differently, but it absolutely smacks of there being something not right about it.

By:
Get me a drink
When: 21 Mar 18 10:56
I just think they couldn't face the awful truth when confronted with the scene. They simply had to cling on to hope that their daughter wasn't dead in the river, and so their minds comforted them somewhat by telling them the car might have been stolen.
By:
Get me a drink
When: 21 Mar 18 11:08
You can do things that may seem bizarre when you have a shock like that. a vain hope was all they had left in those first moments.
By:
donny osmond
When: 21 Mar 18 11:34
its surprising that there is no mobile phone footage of the car rolling away

maybe everybody was checking facebook at the time
By:
Blades
When: 21 Mar 18 12:05
I cannot relate to what happened....leaving a 2 year old in a car on her own and out of site. Who does that? Find out their child is dead and posts on FB....who does that? The toddler is the victim....not the mother!
By:
Aspro
When: 21 Mar 18 12:33
I don't use Facebook, or Twitter, but I'm acutely aware that many people live their lives on there. Perhaps this was comfort, perhaps not, but I've no doubt the truth will evolve.

"It was planned" but what would be the motive?

I find the handbrake story somewhat suspicious. Even a slight decline would noticeably cause a car to roll the moment the foot is released from the brake and adding to that, especially on a hill or the like, it is second nature for a driver to apply it. I'm sure the police will be putting that excuse at the forefront of their enquiries.

I repeat, I don't use social media but a lot of posts refer to their use of it. I would think (especially a mother) they would by hysterical (literally) but we live in a different era that I cannot comprehend. Perhaps a tragic accident, perhaps not and if the latter they will never live a normal life again. If this is the case I have no pity at all. That poor child.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 21 Mar 18 13:21
Can't comment on suggestions it's suspicious until I read the police report on the condition of the handbrake system and what position the hand lever was in but had a look and like many vehicles there are reports of problems with the handbrake and some of the early models were involved in a recall involving hand brake self releasing ,don't know the age of this one but rest assured the vehicle will be scrutinized to the max .                                                                                                           Not 100% sure but think the river could be tidal and vehicle could have been exposed to salt water ,fresh water never mind salt water on brake discs does have a strange effect and rust can build up quickly ,this can cause this sort of thing with the rust powdering and initially giving a hold and then causing slippage under load .Furthermore if this was a regular parking place or the vehicle was used to launch boats from a trailer or tow a trailer there is possibilities the handbrake cable was stretched and in a poor state of service.Salt water on brake discs rapidly (hours) rusts due to the nature of the pads on fresh steel .The vehicle should have been in reverse with hand brake on and wheels on hard lock so it would not run straight back /forward ,but that's easy to say now ,only other thing I would say is the sort of people who run outdoor activity business are not your run of the mill folks and many on here might find it hard to relate to the type of person ,these kind of people are striving for something different and this should be taken into account before lambasting for negligence .                                     Can see why they resorted to FB if they thought vehicle was stolen ,also who is to say there was not an attempted theft ? Was vehicle left open ? Etc etc . Let's wait a bit and get some facts ,sounds like a tragic accident imo but the coroner will have the last word .
By:
cooperman
When: 21 Mar 18 13:58
Thought the publicity surrounding the McCann case would put an end to parents leaving vulnerable children on their own, but some still not got the message. Poor kid deserved better.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 21 Mar 18 15:01
Looking further into it the vehicle was new and "recently purchased " so would be unlikely hand brake failed imo ,looks like there are ongoing inquiries into how long child was in car ,car should have floated for a good while but it was bang on low tide so max current flow rate hence car found 500ft from where it was left ,looking at footage of the slipway and the buisiness location appears a dangerous place for a child and you would need to keep s close eye on a 3 year old in that situation ,Poor kid ,reports are unclear as to where the father and buisiness owner was at time child drowned in car .
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 21 Mar 18 15:15
..any news of the child was in a babys seat,if not is it too far fetched to think she may have
Disengaged it herself?, mine is just a little button not like the lever type.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 21 Mar 18 15:18
looking at pic , car going into water would be my first concern , a  car jacker - nope
By:
Injera
When: 21 Mar 18 18:03
From the link:

He said the police who found the car "went way beyond the call of duty jumping in and pulling her out". (Nope, that's what anyone would do)

"They tried to revive her for hours but unfortunately could not," he added in the post which has since been deleted.

In a tribute to his daughter he wrote: "Unfortunately Kiara had an amazing but short life.

(Who uses the word 'unfortunately' like that???)
By:
xmoneyx
When: 21 Mar 18 18:15
police will be triple checking how events unfolded now
By:
A_T
When: 21 Mar 18 19:18
parents lose a child and seem mostly interested in using media to control the narrative - sound familiar?
By:
thegiggilo
When: 21 Mar 18 19:40
Gerry thinking why didn't we think of that...Wink
By:
casemoney
When: 21 Mar 18 22:03
If the car was found 500 yds away it did not drive along the bottom of the River ,it would have been partially afloat for quite some time , the whole story is very very strange ..
By:
blackbarn
When: 21 Mar 18 23:22
Injera has posted, in response to "Unfortunately Kiara had an amazing but short life" the following comment "Who uses the word 'unfortunately' like that???"

I don't know the answer to your question, but I bet you had more time to consider the wording of your post that he did, and I'd further guess that your post is almost entirely unaffected by the loss of this child.

In all honesty, I think you should stfu until more facts are known, instead of setting yourself up as judge and jury.
By:
JC1326
When: 22 Mar 18 00:34
Definitely something dodgy about this. Like others have said, if your two year old died in that situation a normal person would surely be almost catatonic, not posting almost upbeat sounding messages on social media. The way it reads I almost feel a sense of relief from the parents. At the same time, the whole thing is so bizarre you could almost say it has to be legit. Thorough investigation needs to be done though
By:
JC1326
When: 22 Mar 18 00:36
Realised I used the word ''almost'' way too much in that post
By:
Injera
When: 22 Mar 18 08:52
No blackbarn - I read it and he wrote it...TWICE. It takes less time to read than write.

Most people use that word describing the loss of a pen, not a beloved daughter.

It's a news story and this is chit chat so we discuss things....Noone is making a judgement, just asking questions.
By:
khyber kim
When: 22 Mar 18 09:45
It would be interesting to know if the poor kid was of normal health or had any long term issues.
By:
dambuster
When: 22 Mar 18 12:56
I cannot believe what i'm reading, i've not been following this, but this stinks to high heaven, ''police went way beyond there call of duty''.
Err, when i joined the police in the 80s part of the training was life saving in water, its not beyond the call of duty, a few years ago my son fell into a river which was about 6 feet deep, he was only 10 at the time, he slipped and as he hit the water, i was in there with him pulling him out, its a natural instinct, i done the same in the canal in east london to a kid in the docks, you just do what you can to help, mostly without thinking about your own welfare, .!!.
And as for Going straight onto facebook, any parent i know, wouldn't even be concious enough to speak after such a tragedy, let alone posting messages...The truth will out.
By:
Facts
When: 22 Mar 18 13:48
If I'd parked my car with a child in it on a ' slip' leading down into the river, my first thoughts on finding the car gone, would be ' it's in the river  ' Not, it's  been stolen !! And the Facebook thing, first seeking help in tracing the ' stolen' car and then the weird  eulogy by the Father ?
Something very odd. imo.
By:
lfc1971
When: 22 Mar 18 14:17
There was a similar tragedy last year in Ireland. A family parked on a slipway leading down into the sea, father and 3 or 4 of his family died
Just before he died the father managed to pass a baby out to a rescurer who witnessed it and swam out and the child was saved
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