Liittle Girl Drowns in Car in River

very very sad yet strange story

Tragic ,Capt but fck  Me something don't seem right ,If the Child had been mine I would have needed medical assistance ,no chance of Posting anything anywhere ..

boyfriend admiting it , handbrake off

how did car not turn as it rolled

I am screaming the Fckin car is in the River ,I am in looking for it and hopefully someone will come to my Aid , The last thing I am doing is Contacting me Mrs to start a Stolen Car hunt on FB ....

Never heard the Like .

And I cant swim ,if it were me I would have gone with the Child ,could not face life after that, How could you get up each day thinking of what Happened ?

Tis very sad but strange that she could post when told the child was dead.
Posting on social media would be the last thing on your mind. Crazy place to park as well.

They work next to It Aka Outdoor Pursuit Types , no doubt the Police will undertake a full investigation ,I hope it is a Tragic Accident ,but not only has she left the Handbrake off ,she has wasted valuable time
fckin about getting  the partner to post on FB .......

coincidences aligned.

Mum getting charged with murder or something close to it.... 1.01...

The dad posted this on facebook..


"Just to let every one who keeps asking how know.
It was the lemons stacked up too far!

They got in the car to go home.
Sat on bank card which snapped and needed money to get home etc.
Went back to the office to get money from the desk and came back to no car.
looked in the river No signs. So we thought she and the car had been taken.
The police found the car a while later and went way beyond the call of duty jumping in and pulling her out.
They tried to revive her for hours but unfortunately could not.
Everyone done their best.

Thank you all so much for the support it means the world!!! [happy smiley] "

On reflection... I'd lynch the pair of them... Stinks to high heaven. This was planned.

Surely if the handbrake was left off the car would have started rolling as soon as she got out of the car and she'd surely would have noticed that.

Good Point H

In response to the dad's facebook post you'd think his Budgie had got eaten by next doors' cat by the wording of the post
Once again another little dose of the present and future the country is fcuked with very little in the way of common sense all downhill from here

There is nothing good about facebook

Mar 21, 2018 -- 1:53AM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

In response to the dad's facebook post you'd think his Budgie had got eaten by next doors' cat by the wording of the postOnce again another little dose of the present and future the country is fcuked with very little in the way of common sense all downhill from here

I literally couldn't believe what I was reading when I saw it on the Beeb website.  I know everyone deals with things differently, but it absolutely smacks of there being something not right about it.

I just think they couldn't face the awful truth when confronted with the scene. They simply had to cling on to hope that their daughter wasn't dead in the river, and so their minds comforted them somewhat by telling them the car might have been stolen.

You can do things that may seem bizarre when you have a shock like that. a vain hope was all they had left in those first moments.

its surprising that there is no mobile phone footage of the car rolling away

maybe everybody was checking facebook at the time

I cannot relate to what happened....leaving a 2 year old in a car on her own and out of site. Who does that? Find out their child is dead and posts on FB....who does that? The toddler is the victim....not the mother!

I don't use Facebook, or Twitter, but I'm acutely aware that many people live their lives on there. Perhaps this was comfort, perhaps not, but I've no doubt the truth will evolve.

"It was planned" but what would be the motive?

I find the handbrake story somewhat suspicious. Even a slight decline would noticeably cause a car to roll the moment the foot is released from the brake and adding to that, especially on a hill or the like, it is second nature for a driver to apply it. I'm sure the police will be putting that excuse at the forefront of their enquiries.

I repeat, I don't use social media but a lot of posts refer to their use of it. I would think (especially a mother) they would by hysterical (literally) but we live in a different era that I cannot comprehend. Perhaps a tragic accident, perhaps not and if the latter they will never live a normal life again. If this is the case I have no pity at all. That poor child.

Can't comment on suggestions it's suspicious until I read the police report on the condition of the handbrake system and what position the hand lever was in but had a look and like many vehicles there are reports of problems with the handbrake and some of the early models were involved in a recall involving hand brake self releasing ,don't know the age of this one but rest assured the vehicle will be scrutinized to the max .                                                                                                           Not 100% sure but think the river could be tidal and vehicle could have been exposed to salt water ,fresh water never mind salt water on brake discs does have a strange effect and rust can build up quickly ,this can cause this sort of thing with the rust powdering and initially giving a hold and then causing slippage under load .Furthermore if this was a regular parking place or the vehicle was used to launch boats from a trailer or tow a trailer there is possibilities the handbrake cable was stretched and in a poor state of service.Salt water on brake discs rapidly (hours) rusts due to the nature of the pads on fresh steel .The vehicle should have been in reverse with hand brake on and wheels on hard lock so it would not run straight back /forward ,but that's easy to say now ,only other thing I would say is the sort of people who run outdoor activity business are not your run of the mill folks and many on here might find it hard to relate to the type of person ,these kind of people are striving for something different and this should be taken into account before lambasting for negligence .                                     Can see why they resorted to FB if they thought vehicle was stolen ,also who is to say there was not an attempted theft ? Was vehicle left open ? Etc etc . Let's wait a bit and get some facts ,sounds like a tragic accident imo but the coroner will have the last word .

Thought the publicity surrounding the McCann case would put an end to parents leaving vulnerable children on their own, but some still not got the message. Poor kid deserved better.

Looking further into it the vehicle was new and "recently purchased " so would be unlikely hand brake failed imo ,looks like there are ongoing inquiries into how long child was in car ,car should have floated for a good while but it was bang on low tide so max current flow rate hence car found 500ft from where it was left ,looking at footage of the slipway and the buisiness location appears a dangerous place for a child and you would need to keep s close eye on a 3 year old in that situation ,Poor kid ,reports are unclear as to where the father and buisiness owner was at time child drowned in car .

..any news of the child was in a babys seat,if not is it too far fetched to think she may have
Disengaged it herself?, mine is just a little button not like the lever type.

looking at pic , car going into water would be my first concern , a  car jacker - nope

From the link:

He said the police who found the car "went way beyond the call of duty jumping in and pulling her out". (Nope, that's what anyone would do)

"They tried to revive her for hours but unfortunately could not," he added in the post which has since been deleted.

In a tribute to his daughter he wrote: "Unfortunately Kiara had an amazing but short life.

(Who uses the word 'unfortunately' like that???)

police will be triple checking how events unfolded now

parents lose a child and seem mostly interested in using media to control the narrative - sound familiar?

Gerry thinking why didn't we think of that...

If the car was found 500 yds away it did not drive along the bottom of the River ,it would have been partially afloat for quite some time , the whole story is very very strange ..

Injera has posted, in response to "Unfortunately Kiara had an amazing but short life" the following comment "Who uses the word 'unfortunately' like that???"

I don't know the answer to your question, but I bet you had more time to consider the wording of your post that he did, and I'd further guess that your post is almost entirely unaffected by the loss of this child.

In all honesty, I think you should stfu until more facts are known, instead of setting yourself up as judge and jury.

Definitely something dodgy about this. Like others have said, if your two year old died in that situation a normal person would surely be almost catatonic, not posting almost upbeat sounding messages on social media. The way it reads I almost feel a sense of relief from the parents. At the same time, the whole thing is so bizarre you could almost say it has to be legit. Thorough investigation needs to be done though

Realised I used the word ''almost'' way too much in that post

No blackbarn - I read it and he wrote it...TWICE. It takes less time to read than write.

Most people use that word describing the loss of a pen, not a beloved daughter.

It's a news story and this is chit chat so we discuss things....Noone is making a judgement, just asking questions.

It would be interesting to know if the poor kid was of normal health or had any long term issues.

I cannot believe what i'm reading, i've not been following this, but this stinks to high heaven, ''police went way beyond there call of duty''.
Err, when i joined the police in the 80s part of the training was life saving in water, its not beyond the call of duty, a few years ago my son fell into a river which was about 6 feet deep, he was only 10 at the time, he slipped and as he hit the water, i was in there with him pulling him out, its a natural instinct, i done the same in the canal in east london to a kid in the docks, you just do what you can to help, mostly without thinking about your own welfare, .!!.
And as for Going straight onto facebook, any parent i know, wouldn't even be concious enough to speak after such a tragedy, let alone posting messages...The truth will out.

If I'd parked my car with a child in it on a ' slip' leading down into the river, my first thoughts on finding the car gone, would be ' it's in the river  ' Not, it's  been stolen !! And the Facebook thing, first seeking help in tracing the ' stolen' car and then the weird  eulogy by the Father ?
Something very odd. imo.

There was a similar tragedy last year in Ireland. A family parked on a slipway leading down into the sea, father and 3 or 4 of his family died
Just before he died the father managed to pass a baby out to a rescurer who witnessed it and swam out and the child was saved

the car slid down the slipway and was swept out to sea
the rescuer desperatedly tried to save the life of another young boy but his foot caught just seconds before the car went under

there was thick algae on the slipway

don't understand why he didn't leave the car in gear when he parked it. I always do that when I leave mine on a slope, stops it rolling.

just in case there's a problem with the handbrake.

I read there is/was an electric/electronic handbrake in the car. Now I don't have much experience with these, but is it possible the little
girl could have somehow activated it?... even with the ignition off and/or the key being out of the car?
Whichever way you look at it, such a tragic way for the little 'un to go.

that scenario was mentioned on the radio yesterday john, thats why i was asking if the poor girl was strapped in a childs seat . ??

As mentioned earlier some ( or most ) of these ( outdoor ) adventure types love danger whether they admit it or not. It's part of their psyche and therefore are not safety minded like most of us.

this is not the sort of thing that happens to adventurous outdoor types, who can be quite methodical
its the sort of thing that happens to muddled average people when terrible circumstances come together

They got in the car to go home.
Sat on bank card which snapped and needed money to get home etc.
Went back to the office to get money from the desk and came back to no car.
looked in the river No signs. So we thought she and the car had been taken.
The police found the car a while later and went way beyond the call of duty jumping in and pulling her out. They tried to revive her for hours but unfortunately could not.
Everyone done their best.

Why did both parents have to go back to he office simply to get money from a desk, leaving a 2 year old child alone in the car ?

They both had to be in the car for them both to get out.

now that to me suggests an innocent and terrible mistake

Well it did happen to adventurous outdoor types here because that's the business that they ran.

its happened before

adventurous outdoor types have accidents falling off mountains, that sort of thing
not parking a car

It is strange that one of the parents didn't stay in the car

but this is the sort of terrible stupid thing that can happen, if something had been planned to happen they wouldn't have done or said that
maybe they planned to go quickly into a shop as well and spotted the car missing

lfc1971    22 Mar 18 20:54 
They both had to be in the car for them both to get out.

Apologies, i thought both parents were in the car when i read So we thought she and the car had been taken.

From what i read it was not clear they were both with the child . Is this stated somewhere?

It seemed the mum was with her, and then 'went back to the office' and the dad was elsewhere.

as i understand it the mother was alone in the car with girl, parked and went into the outdoor activity where the father worked to get some cash

TBH, IMO, Mums got one of those faces...

Poor child was in the care of a couple of phuckin idiots

How do you snap a credit card by sitting on it ?

yes it seems strange,  why would someone make up such a story ?

I've had a few credit cards break in my wallet down the years. Especially if kept in the back pocket; it does happen

There will be an ongoing investigation ,A post Mortem Etc ,will the Father be providing an in Running Commentary on FB ?

Credit Cards Snapping ,Rolling down Ramps, WITH THE LITTLE GIRL IN  , No one never Mind the Mother has noticed or thought of the car being in the River ?

The father Goes Live on FB, More chance of winning the Lottery than these things happening ...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5899808/kiara-moore-death-car-river-dad-sea-turtle-tattoo/

The tattoo on his arm is of her full name Kiara Aurora Maddison and her nickname ‘’Ra Ra’’, which Mr Moore has said was what his daughter always asked to be called.

He has also had a sea turtle inked next to her name to “send her on a safe journey”.

Writing on Facebook, the he said: "Myself, Kim and family would like to invite you all to either the funeral and party for her happy life and birthday! (or just have a thought for her on this day and make someone happy).

"Please bring kids if you can! (we are keeping it a happy celebration)."

He said that the dress code would be "bright and beautiful and or fun only".

(WTF?????)

The family also revealed that they wanted to set up a trust to support mental health, asking for anyone attending the funeral to make a donation.

Is this relevant in some way??

I sincerely hope this is not a staged event to raise funds; that would be sick

I am getting an uneasy feeling about this.

Different people react differently though.

If I had lost a 3 year old child in such horrific circumstances, I would still be under sedation.

Have Boney M been booked to do a Rendition of RA RA RASPUTIN during the Service ?

Perhaps the Family are saying they are Mental ,Hence the Trust.

Fck me stiff I got an uneasy feeling too

HAPPY OCCAISION

In years to come the 'mandatory norm' will be.....




Your nearest n dearest has just died....Why da feck you aint on facebook bro, banging on about it.

Child (kiara )was a week from her 3rd birthday ,mother not the most experienced person at 25 ,did not understand car had floated away and parcially submerged some distance away ,thinks it's been stolen along with child strapped in back and they hit social media for help finding it ,it's not hard to imagine the scenario .The  buisiness and private life prob merged on FB and they had a lot of local contacts including lots of other families with young ones ,the police find car ,child still strapped in back but sadly quite some time had elapsed and child dies of hypothermia possibly ,she was alive when removed from submerged vehicle apparently  ,just had her first real Christmas and now instead of a 3 years old birthday party it's her funeral ,easy to see why it's a celebration of her life but unless you have experienced that kind of loss prob better to say nothing ,there is no right or wrong way to handle this type of loss ,just deal with it best you can . Some pretty nasty stuff on here ,poor show lads.

My thoughts on grieving on social media...

There are some people on this thread who don't use FB and deal with grief in their own little way....but now are under pressure or obliged to put a tick, like or a 'silly crying emoji face' on a picture of a bunch of flowers or in some cases a cartoon of a crying rabbit. 

For me that doesn't show the integrity or dignity for one to share empathy or grief at a tragic event, but hey that's just me.....It seems now days we are told how to be sympathetic and rarely allowed to show it in our own subtle way.

Call me Mr harsh but....I never signed up for this 'We are the world' singing around the campfire bullsh1t. Never have and never will.