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Can anyone make any sense of this "spy poisoning"
Can anyone make any sense of this "spy poisoning"
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dave1357 - In some cases it would be used. There was one story I remember (either Middle East or Vietnam) enemy soldiers were all over a large hillside and a nerve agent was used to kill them. And in the Gulf War soldiers at risk from exposure of nerve agents were given a drug, can't remember the name or what it was, but it slowed down the effect of a nerve agent binding. So they were being used. But I do see your point and agree, incapacitating soldiers and civilians behind front lines causes more problems than simply killing them instantly.
I'm no expert, but didn't Germany have them in World War 2 but never used chemical warfare. Presumably other countries would have had them as well but never used them (?) But today targets for nerve agents are being used against civilians, this Salisbury case, and the brother of Kim Jong-un in that airport was another, and Alexander Litvinenko. This Salisbury case has been handled very badly by Theresa May and her dumb Foreign Secretary. |
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Latest news: "Poisoned ex-spy Sergei Skripal is “improving rapidly” and no longer critically ill, health officials say"
Don't like to make light of this whole terrible case, but Novichok seems to be getting well known for rapid recovery. |
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"cousin claims they suffered from food poisoning"
 food poisoning lasts a whole month? and it makes you "critical" for that length of time? I can understand someone much older getting hit for six with it but younger people usually recover from it pretty quickly. |
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Russia getting unusually slack regarding murdering people....or are they ?
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You're only being told they were 'critical '. Public no absolutely nothing about what's true or false in this charade !
All were hearing and seeing is what's on MSM or social media. All we do know is massive assumptions have been made and lots of lies have been said. Will the truth become apparent ? Probably. |
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Latest nonsense
Sergei Skripal joins his daughter in recovery medics say survival thanks to fact of skin-absorption from door handle Porton Down told court poison did reach bloodstream. security services briefed media that door-handle method proved Russia behind the act - Russia trains its assassins in least efficient way of delivering the toxin |
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was it not just a dodgy pizza ?
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dodgy fish meal I know these things
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Seriously?
They are making this rubbish up as they go along. when will people wise up to this and get these clowns out of there, at best they are taking the mick. |
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Don't think anyone's believing it anymore,just getting more and more comical and of course no backtracking by us now just keep making more sh1te up..
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Facts
05 Apr 18 18:02 Joined: 05 May 03 | Topic/replies: 26,002 | Blogger: Facts's blog Injera 05 Apr 18 17:41 Electoral chaos is not what we need though Facts. What this country needs is Jeremy Corbyn leading a Socialist Labour government. ^ That would be terrible for this country. It would end with a united Ireland and Unionists fighting back and a massive new wave of immigrants to our once great nation. That is before you look at destruction of economy with a run on the pound. |
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If two people can be affected by placing the agent on their door handle, imagine what happens when the same is done on the london tube. I still haven't seen the public ask the right questions. Everyone is interested in the question, Russia or no proof? And that's the whole point of making it look like a mess. Media for the win!
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If politicians lie conspiracies grow ! May and BoJo overstepped the facts and lied to the public... This is getting too ridiculous for words now, don't know what to think. But it's not like a Russian hit squad to do half a job !
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Seriously? They are making this rubbish up as they go along. That's chit-chat for you.  |
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The facts
Poisened - We concluded it was Russia behind it - The EU and the US agreed with us - Scientist unable to confirm source. Nothing has changed. |
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Novichok = Russian man flu.
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This case is simple: a double spy and his daughter (expendable) and the British Government ridding him. Full stop.
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We were promised Substance, Art and Intellect.
We got conspiracy theory. Crippen is going to love you. Any ideas on the moon landings? |
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What moon landings?
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He's yet to post on the Apollo 17 thread. |
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another chemical expert on sky news said we no,as log as your getting quality care these chermical agents just pass through the body like a bad Saturday night curry
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they were going to turn off her life support machine the other day, now its is the GREATEST comeback ever
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that was man utd the other day
ho ho wot's the bet tonight though?? |
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If anyone is fooled by the rubbish coming out the TV we might as well pack up and let them do as they please anyway. We've supposedly had a chemical attack in Syria, kids and women sprawled out on the floor, instant death. an old bloke and his daughter directly in contact with a nerve agent... jumping out of bed having made a miraculous recovery. The mind boggles.
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The mainstream media! what do you expect?
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America now say they cant verify who used the gas for gawd sakes
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We've supposedly had a chemical attack in Syria, kids and women sprawled out on the floor, instant death
News programme I watched showed distressed people get hosed down then treated. |
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A one-year suspended for selling Novichok?
 --- Poisoning of Ivan Kivelidi and Zara Ismailova Supposed Novichok agent formula from the forensic analysis in the Kivelidi case[63] The forerunner of Novichok agents, substance-33 (frequently also referred to simply as "Novichok")[64] has been reportedly used in 1995 to poison Russian banker Ivan Kivelidi (ru), the head of the Russian Business Round Table, and Zara Ismailova, his secretary.[65][66][67][68][69] According to historians Yuri Felshtinsky and Vladimir Pribylovsky, the murder became "one of the first in the series of poisonings organized by Russia's security services". The Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs analyzed the substance and announced that it was "a phosphorus-based military-grade nerve agent"[70] "whose formula was strictly classified".[70] According to Nesterov, the administrative head of Shikhany, he did not know of "a single case of such poison being sold illegally" and noted that the poison "is used by professional spies".[70] Vladimir Khutsishvili, a former business partner of the banker, was subsequently convicted for the killings.[65] According to The Independent, "A closed trial found that his business partner had obtained the substance via intermediaries from an employee of the State Research Institute of Organic Chemistry and Technology (ru) (GosNIIOKhT),[71] which was involved in the development of Novichoks. However, Khutsishvilli, who claimed that he was innocent, had not been detained at the time of the trial and freely left the country. He was arrested only in 2006 after he returned to Russia, believing that the ten-year old case was closed.[70] According to Felshtinsky and Pribylovsky, Khutsishvilli was framed for the murder by Russia's security services which had access to the chemical agent and used it to organize the murder on the orders of a senior Russian state official.[70] The employee of GosNIIOKhT Leonard Rink received a one-year suspended sentence for selling Novichok agents to unnamed buyers "of Chechen ethnicity" soon after the poisoning of Kivelidi and Izmailova."[72][73] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent#cite_note-75 |
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treason and boris tell us 100% that there was a chemical attack on uk citizens we basically do nothing,yet for a possible chemical attack on non uk citizens in a foreign country that the commons has already decided has nothing to do with us,were prepared to join military action and go to war, confused.com
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Nothing new or tangible from the OPCW... 1.01 weighed in... as you were with the mud-slinging, claims and counter-claims.
 The international chemical weapons watchdog has confirmed the UK's analysis of the type of nerve agent used in the Russian ex-spy poisoning. The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons did not name the nerve agent as Novichok, but said it agreed with the UK's findings. Russia has denied it was behind the attack on Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury, as Theresa May has claimed. The OPCW carried out the investigation at the request of the UK government. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43741140 |
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uk security services say Russia was spying on the skipals for 5 years but still couldn't prevent a daylight chemical attack on them in their own home,gun and foot comes to mind
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Every day more ' information ' is produced ! I call it disinformation.
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Disinformation? Isn't that the same as you saying you took in immigrants?
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The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to Swiss state Spiez lab, the Russian foreign minister said. The toxin was never produced in Russia, but was in service in the US, UK, and other NATO states.
Sergei Skripal, a former Russian double agent, and his daughter Yulia were poisoned with an incapacitating toxin known as 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate or BZ, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said, citing the results of the examination conducted by a Swiss chemical lab that worked with the samples that London handed over to the Organisation for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons (OPCW). The Swiss center sent the results to the OPCW. However, the UN chemical watchdog limited itself only to confirming the formula of the substance used to poison the Skripals in its final report without mentioning anything about the other facts presented in the Swiss document, the Russian foreign minister added. He went on to say that Moscow would ask the OPCW about its decision to not include any other information provided by the Swiss in its report. The Swiss center mentioned by Lavrov is the Spiez Laboratory controlled by the Swiss Federal Office for Civil Protection and ultimately by the country’s defense minister. The lab is also an internationally recognized center of excellence in the field of the nuclear, biological, and chemical protection and is one of the five centers permanently authorized by the OPCW. The Russian foreign minister said that London refused to answer dozens of “very specific” questions asked by Moscow about the Salisbury case, as well as to provide any substantial evidence that could shed light on the incident. Instead, the UK accused Russia of failing to answer its own questions, he said, adding that, in fact, London did not ask any questions but wanted Moscow to admit that it was responsible for the delivery of the chemical agent to the UK. |
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So... reports that plod's game of Guess Who has finished:
A source with knowledge of the investigation told the Press Association: “Investigators believe they have identified the suspected perpetrators of the Novichok attack through CCTV and have cross-checked this with records of people who entered the country around that time. They (the investigators) are sure they (the suspects) are Russian.” And Bond meanwhile picked up a coded message from the villains telling Vlad that the eau de toilette has been sprayed. Allegedly: Russian agents responsible for the Novichok poisonings in Salisbury sent a coded message to Moscow which included the phrase, "The package has been delivered", it was claimed last night. A British intelligence listening station based in Cyprus, allegedly picked up the message shortly after former Russian double agent, Sergei Skripal, and his daughter, Yulia, were attacked in March. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/19/skripal-novichok-suspects-identified-cctv-cameras/ Russians trading at 1.14 on the whodunnit market I'd say. Presumably names will come out eventually, but I'd also presume Russia would continue to deny it anyway and no-one will actually go in the slammer - market voided job like Litvinenko. |
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They can find all the evidence they want. At the end, one phone call from May's boss in the White House will force them to bury it all. Don's not gonna let an ally bring another ally down.
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Russian Mafia - Odds on
CIA wanting to discredit Putin - 10/1 Nutter from Porton Down ..20/1 In all probability ...nothing to do with Putin 100/1 |
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In all probability ...nothing to do with Putin 100/1
I'd give you a pound! |
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he was there - they have the evidence
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