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It's delightful that 39 posts in and no-one has mentioned football because there's no money in that sport to make cheating worthwhile.
Also the drug testing procedures in place are very stringent, thanks to the FA. They have invested heavily in biological profiles and it is no longer the case that pissing into a jar constitutes 80% of drug tests. Plus of course, speed and stamina would be of no assistance to a football team where it's all down to spirit, hard work and a brilliant coaching system. Operacion Puerto was not hampered by government interference in Spain and it, at no point, became clear that the dominance of Barcelona in club football and Spain internationally was a direct result of doping. Leicester City were amazing and this had nothing to do with finding a way to emulate the effects of EPO in a legal but morally dubious way. Southampton went for 56th in the league to 4th in no time, while selling all their best players, because of their excellent academy. Tottenham only engaged in blood spinning when the player was injured. The leap in average distances covered by teams managed by certain managers is entirely coincidental. When certain world famous footballers are able to change their physique in the space of a summer holiday it is down to improved diet. Football does not have a doping problem. Oh, and Mo Farrah races clean. (If I were you I wouldn't wait for MPs, I'd just troll back through the United thread. All the information re TUEs and the new ways to cheat in cycling was on there about 4 years ago.) |
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All sports stars use something, otherwise they simply wouldn't be able to compete. Tyson Fury said the exact same thing about 2 years ago, strangely got banned and they dragged it on for 2 years. there's no way none of them have been at it, including footballers, and I'd probably have a guess jockey's in horse racing use something as well, lets not forget they literally have to starve themselves to make the weight, so what are they substituting the food with?
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Who else thinks Jessica Ennis was entirely clean? the golden girl, lets not forget when Wiggans won his TDF and gold medals he was the golden boy. If they out Wiggens and people believe it, why is it so hard to think Ennis was at it as well?, is it because the media haven't said so?
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Rugby? The physiques of those guys can't just be down to gym work and protein.
Agree about footballers' physiques too. Can't believe they always avoid the pizzas, pies, chips and beers. Are they THAT disciplined??? Other events in their lives suggest otherwise... However, cycling is all about the 1% gains and so can benefit more from doping. Track events are about 10ths and 100ths of seconds. This is where Brailsford could face the most scrutiny. |
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If you just do gym work and protein shakes you'll have a leaner physique, 6 pack yes but not the muscles these rugby stars are parading around with, some of them don't have the natural frame to be able to produce the muscle they have, so they need to be pumping themselves up somehow.
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Simple cure, well, for most of it...
Take the money back out of sport, all the agents, the appearance monies, the ridiculous pay for winning. Make the need to take the drugs a little less. That said, Goldman's dilemma is interesting. Apparently, he's a bloke who asked athletes this question; "If you could take a drug that would win you a gold medal and make you unbeatable, but killed you 5 years after taking it, would you still take it?" 52% were supposed to have said they would, but the results have been sort of turned over after some years and re-asking the question, a bit like disqualifying the cheats. |
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SontaranStratagem was just talking about Jonah Lomu last night a sad example of what can happen on the gear,though at the time all of the NZ Rugby squad were on the juice and were taking ridiculous amounts of Creatine Monohydrate which I took years ago.
Some of them were taking 40 times the recommended dose so whoever was in charge of this was completely clueless as there's no additional benefits beyond about 5-10g per day once it's in your system,all it does is raises your creatinine level which is deadly to your kidneys. Lomu suffered Nephrotic kidney disease as did his team mate Joeli Vidri which affects 3 in 100,000 and it's thought the silly Creatine levels and PED's were the cause. |
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morgans called it on,will wiggins sue him ,bring it up in court, and if he doesn't,well, the bbc are still waiting for fat sam to take them to court
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Wiggins hasnt broken the rules, didnt need to announce to all his competitors how flawed the rules were, and doesnt need to apologise or backtrack now imo.
The stupidity in drug controvercies is nearly always down to event organisers imposing rules that they cant police. Rule 7b) You absolutely cant take performance enhancing drugs unless you fill out this form that says you have asthma. Yeah that'll cover it. |
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even though panorama,bbc have been on wiggins case more than most over this strange he gives his 1st interview to dan rowan on the bbc and not to sky,who,ve spent all day trying to defend the indefensible in most people,s eyes
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@1st time poster, I would guess it's because he and Sky would want his say to be aired to a wider audience, Sky's audience is limited considering it's subscription based.
Brad Wiggins Verified account @SirWiggo 20h20 hours ago More I find it so sad that accusations can be made, where people can be accused of things they have never done which are then regarded as facts. I strongly refute the claim that any drug was used without medical need. I hope to have my say in the next few days & put my side across. ![]() |
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I read once that the lady cyclists improved by retaining their lady-gardens. Shaving it off, as is the wont of many a modern female, caused distracting chafing.
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well I bought sky to for the vice channel
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Does it come with a free inhaler?
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wiggans should sue morgan, and the parliamentary committee for millions
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now these are the facts. Someone with asthma can take this drug
and someone without asthma could .so what? the drug is not illegal if the drug is legal for someone with asthma it should be legal for someone without asthma |
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Or else ban the drug for all competitors
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Or else ban the drug for all competitors
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you see the grey area is in allowing asthma sufferers to use this drug and compete
When that happens the question arises , just how much of an asthma sufferer are you Well no one knows that, so the parliamentary committee and Morgan should shut up |
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http://getasthmahelp.org/famous-people.aspx
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Only having no exemptions will stop a chancer seeing an opportunity to get an edge.
I doubt if these accusations were aimed at a Russian team or an American team there would be quite so many willing to give the benefit of the doubt . |
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I think you will find that Russian teams were using illegal drugs
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I think you will find there are no Russian based teams in the Grand Tours.
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yes, that's why they haven't been found to be using illegal drugs, if there were they would have been
they wont use them at the Olympics either if they are not there |
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Will he have to pay back His hard Earned Advertising Money ??
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piers knows he won't sue
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I finds it very offensive that people can just make unsubstantiated claims on here about other athletes. Wiggins clearly has plenty of questions to answer. Paula Radcliffe, however, has been an asthma sufferer since her early teens. You can argue over whether this has given her an advantage but she undoubtedly has done nothing wrong. Jessica Ennis has certainly done nothing wrong and there is absolutely nothing in her history to suggest otherwise.
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people need to remember that sky were set up to win races clean ,brailsford mantra was that little differences in every aspect of cycling would beat the drug cheats,instead they've done the complete opposite and used the small print in the rules to gain an advantage,if brailsford and skys mantra was followed they,d have come clean about the asthma and TUE,s, not be found out by hacking and leaking of the documents,this is all before the covering every deatail doesn't include keeping medical records and contents of iffy jiffy bags
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I've no idea about Radcliffe and asthma but there is little doubt she was a transfuser. Certainly her stored blood samples were highly indicative of autologous transfusions according to independent experts
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Radcliffe the most obvious doughper....world record by a ridiculous margin..never came near it again.A joke.
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asparagus that's true about Paula though it just so happens that the Asthma drugs that were used come with huge performance enhancing benefits that's why they are illegal.
From what we're hearing now there are many Asthma meds which will deal with the condition with less performance benefits but UK Athletics/Cycling/Team Sky chose the ones with big benefits on purpose to abuse the TUE system that explains Radcliffe's impossible Marathon runs. |
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1st time poster sums it up well at 10.04 above. With the road cycling season just getting going, particularly on the Grand Tours, Sky are going to get serious abuse on the roads of Europe over this over the course of the season.
You sense Wiggins is also getting the benefit of the doubt from the UK media. No surprise there. If you read the French and Italian press, that's not the case. Putting aside entrenched national views, Sky do not come out of this looking well. They'll be damned if they keep their level of success going this season and as damned if they don't. Let's see how they get on this year. |
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It's harsh to single out people really which we've done because everyone who is anyone is on something in one way or another or else they couldn't compete.
To think anyone has won things clean and beat the dopers clean is naive and a near impossibility. We have these problems because the testing isn't fit for purpose and they don't want to catch anyone Elite anyway,the results go their federation and dealt with from there (bung is paid for result to disappear or if you're expendable you're thrown under the bus). The most high profile person (Armstrong) was tested around 600 times and was on everything you could imagine and was only caught because he was grassed up. Us British abuse the TUE system because it sounds more acceptable than the words Steroids or EPO,notice the only tests Linford Christie PUBLICLY failed was when he was an old man finished. Can anybody seriously say that they thought Linford was clean? Look at the guy when he was 25 in the peak of Testosterone (naturally) then look at him later you'll get your answer it's obvious to anyone with eyesight. |
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a few golfers use beta blockers - heart condition or putting
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Lots of athletes use Beta Blockers (in the form of blood pressure meds) they are the most common masking agents for Steroids and many are on the banned lists.
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Go Ballistic, that's just nonsense. Paula was cleared by the IAAF who have her complete blood test history and by UKAD.
Denzil, yes I agree the asthma medication is a tricky one because of potential performance enhancement. However, in Paula's case because she had been an asthmatic from a young age there is absolutely no suggestion that she used TUE's or anything else in an unethical way. She required the medication. That's different to Wiggins quite clearly. I'm not sure what the answer is as clearly the TUE system gets abused. Maybe all asthma medication that is considered performance enhancing should be banned and it's just unlucky for an asthma sufferer. The point really is though, that Paula Radcliffe should not be suffering this innuendo because of the Wiggins situation. Paula's marathon world best was perfectly explainable too (simply running in a mixed race so effectively having male pacemakers.) It's a nonsense to suggest otherwise. |
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Are we saying that people who have asthma , like Paula Radclife, are not allowed to win races , or gold medals or set world records ?
If so why are they competing? |
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The system is what's to blame imo. The type of drugs available legally through TUE's will always cause these debates.
What anyone with asthma has done is legal if they have a TUE but the problems are the performance benefits that come with them and whether they could've used a drug to treat the Asthma ONLY and not choose a drug that is clearly performance enhancing. The system should only allow drugs which will treat the Asthma alone so everyone who needs them only gets their Asthma treated and not the powerful gear that have been used previously then everything would be above board. |
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hands up
I take drugs , then read the racing post |
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that's right, so the parliamentary committee and morgan can pipe down about wiggans
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