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You're clearly a bit thick Crippen so I will spell it out for you in very simple terms.
The article is stating that increasing protein actually helps with calcium intake and those on a low protein diet (i.e vegetarians)can suffer from reduced bone density and increased rates of bone loss. Meat products are complete proteins and vegetable proteins aren't. You are twisting and turning like a twisty turny thing. I think any sensible person can read the thread in its entirety and can draw their own conclusions. I will let you scrabble on your hands and knees trying to find the lost pieces of your jigsaw as I am done with you squire. P.S I made some most enjoyable spicy chicken livers tonight: Livers are loaded with iron to give you energy and a treasure trove of certain B vitamins, most notably B12. This nutritional profile makes them a good choice for anyone prone to anaemia. Chicken livers are also one of the top sources of vitamin A, which helps eye health. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/mar/02/good-for-you-chicken-livers |
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Charwell's lack of comprehension is startling.
The first line of the article spells it out: High dietary protein intakes are known to increase urinary calcium excretion and, if maintained, will result in sustained hypercalciuria Yet he prefers to misunderstand the rest of the article, which simply explains how the first line was arrived at. Watch that liver intake by the way, it will give you gout if you're not careful. |
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That's seen charwell off.
So following on from. 1. Excessive protein intake leads to calcium deficiency as stated in the article, which comes from a source with impeccable credentials. 2. Animal protein intake leads to increased uric acid, (no dispute over that.) Which can cause high blood pressure and gout. Here's something else to chew on (sorry) If you haven't already got high blood pressure, gout, osteoporosis or hypercalciuria, from eating your delicious meat and animal products. People should cut back on red and processed meat to reduce their risk of getting cancer, the government says. New advice recommends eating no more than 70g a day - equivalent to three rashers of bacon or two sausages. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12571576 |
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We evolved as omnivores so it is sensible to include some animal protein in the diet. It doesn't have to be from the carcass of a mammal.
In the West and richer countries, we probably eat far too much meat and dairy potentially leading to health problems especially in view of the additives and preservatives that are incorporated in processed meats. |
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There's no doubt that as a nation gets richer it's health gets poorer.
And we are not being told the truth regarding the effects of diet on our health. The only advice we're likely to get from GPs is to lose weight and eat a balanced diet. Which is what their masters have told them to tell us. It's up to people how they treat the information that's out there. They can live their lives eating everything that is put in front of them and suffer appalling health as they age, or listen to the torrent of advice that's telling them to abandon animal products and sugar. What's most disturbing is that plenty of this knowledge has been around for decades. We can thank the internet and a few honest doctors for bringing it to the public's attention. Because if we wait for the drug companies and food manufactures to tell us the truth we'll be in for a long wait. |
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My work here is done.
Dr Charwell. Thinly disguised, I'm getting a pasting, I'm outa here. lol |
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Interesting three-page spread in the Mail today for those who take their health seriously, written by Dr Michael Gregor about the plant based diet.
Converts to a plant based diet will probably be familiar with the teachings of Dr Gregor. Here they claim 90% reduction in diabetes from eating the diet. 80% less chance of a heart attack etc. It's strange that Dr Gregor who is a strong opponent of eating animal products doesn't appear to mention this here. Is that is an indication of the power that food manufacturers have over the media in trying to conceal the deleterious nature of their products? And the pharmaceutical industry in keeping us all sick so they can sell their drugs? I can tell you now that to achieve the health claims, you would have to eliminate all animal products from your diet. Which is the where the massive gains in longer-term health really come from. |
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Dr C you mention that excessive protein intake leads to calcium deficiency, but excessive anything isn't good for you. Drinking excessive amounts of water isn't good for you but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't drink any water. There is a difference between too much of something being bad for you and any amount of something (like cigarettes) being bad for you.
Do you believe that any amount of any animal product is bad for you, or just that people in general have too much of it? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3572016/ I did find this link above that found that for both men and women the highest serum concentrations of uric acid were found in vegans. My point is that there is a torrent of conflicting advice on lots of different food so it isn't as easy as you say to go "yes that's good for me" or "no i should avoid that". I think the trouble is that a food that is beneficial for one person may be detrimental for another so it's hard to give blanket advice unless you feel that there is no beneficial affect at all from that food. I personally feel that there are some beneficial effects for some people from animal products (not excessive amounts of course!!), especially if you include things like bone broth and Manuka honey. As long as it is high quality animal products of course. I'd also include gluten as well in your foods that you dislike. It can have a horrible effect on the gut. The moral argument for not eating meat is different and is something for each individual to decide. |
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That's quite an extraordinary study because it fails to mention when the uric acid reading were taken such as after fasting, or how they were taken. Such as at a hospital or with a self tester. All the readings are within the normal range. They all seem remarkably healthy. Nevertheless I won't dispute their findings. In fact I'll endorse them, because the reason is obvious. Vegans usually eat large amounts of fruit. Fruit is loaded with fructose (sugar) a waste product of fructose is uric acid. |
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In fact the standard advice for gout sufferers (or should be if the doctor knows his business) is to get the sugar out of your diet and cut right back on the meat and fish.
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