Lewis Hamilton has been accused of humiliating his young nephew online after he disapproved of his choice of Christmas attire, telling him: “Boys don’t wear princess dresses.”
The Formula One world champion posted a video on Instagram in which he makes fun of the child, who is wearing a purple and pink outfit and carrying a pink wand with a heart on it.
“I’m so sad right now. Look at my nephew,” says Hamilton to his Instagram followers, as the camera focuses on the boy.
“Why are you wearing a princess dress? Is this what you got for Christmas?” he asks, as the boy nods delightedly.
“Why did you ask for a princess dress for Christmas?” he goes on.
“Because it’s pretty,” the boy replies enthusiastically, waving the pink wand.
“Boys don’t wear princess dresses!” says Hamilton, who has since deleted the video from his account.
The 32-year-old was abroad celebrating Christmas with his family when he posted the video. Since it was posted he has been roundly criticised on social media for negatively stereotyping his relative on the basis of his gender.
Travis Alabanza, a performance artist, said: “I hope Lewis Hamilton properly thinks and apologises to his nephew for that video.”
unlike standing around in a princess dress worrying about appearance and being pretty
how do you know that's the reason why the child chose to dress like a princess?
unlike standing around in a princess dress worrying about appearance and being prettyhow do you know that's the reason why the child chose to dress like a princess?
I don't think it is anything more than the fact that young boys can be silly and mischievous , and perhaps it is not a case of worrying about appearance Well that's good , as long as he plays football in it
I don't think it is anything more than the fact that young boys can be silly and mischievous , and perhaps it is not a case of worrying about appearance Well that's good , as long as he plays football in it
let's say a five year boy has seen a film with a princess in it, who stands up to evil but is also compassionate and kind to her friends.
let's say he wants to dress up as a princess for these reasons.
is it "unhealthy" to allow him to do so, or is it unhealthy to prohibit him and tell him to go outside and play football or soldiers instead?
let's say a five year boy has seen a film with a princess in it, who stands up to evil but is also compassionate and kind to her friends.let's say he wants to dress up as a princess for these reasons. is it "unhealthy" to allow him to do so, or is it
Prohibit sounds rather severe. Gentle guidance about the differences between boys and girls clothing would seem a sensible approach. To tell children that there is no difference between genders would seem pretty ridiculous to most people I would think.
Prohibit sounds rather severe. Gentle guidance about the differences between boys and girls clothing would seem a sensible approach. To tell children that there is no difference between genders would seem pretty ridiculous to most people I would thin
you say you don't want boys dressing up as girls because it's unhealthy for children to be concerned about their looks and appearance.
I'm asking that if this isn't the reason they have chosen to do so, what's your objection?
"no" is not an answer to my question.you say you don't want boys dressing up as girls because it's unhealthy for children to be concerned about their looks and appearance.I'm asking that if this isn't the reason they have chosen to do so, what's your
To tell children that there is no difference between genders would seem pretty ridiculous to most people I would think.
Indeed it would, but I'm afraid that statement is a strawman.
To tell children that there is no difference between genders would seem pretty ridiculous to most people I would think.Indeed it would, but I'm afraid that statement is a strawman.
"If any young lad asks "Mum, Dad, can I have a princess costume?"
The correct answer is:
"No, of course you can't, you're a boy. You can have a football kit.""
My query is how is it determined what the correct and incorrect answer is?
"If any young lad asks "Mum, Dad, can I have a princess costume?"The correct answer is:"No, of course you can't, you're a boy. You can have a football kit.""My query is how is it determined what the correct and incorrect answer is?
let's put it this way , if the German , or Russian , or British army go into battle wearing princess dresses to defeat evil that is fine Then I might reconsider , but not before then
let's put it this way , if the German , or Russian , or British army go into battle wearing princess dresses to defeat evil that is fine Then I might reconsider , but not before then
"If any young lad asks "Mum, Dad, can I have a princess costume?"
A sensible answer is:
" Girls become Princesses son, boys become Princes. Would you like a Prince's costume?
"If any young lad asks "Mum, Dad, can I have a princess costume?"A sensible answer is:" Girls become Princesses son, boys become Princes. Would you like a Prince's costume?
I suppose if a young boy or girl wants to play football in a princess dress that is not totally to be frowned upon It's better than not playing football
I suppose if a young boy or girl wants to play football in a princess dress that is not totally to be frowned upon It's better than not playing football
"If any young lad asks "Mum, Dad, can I have a princess costume?"
A sensible answer is:
" Girls become Princesses son, boys become Princes. Would you like a Prince's costume?
"No, I watched Frozen and thought Elsa was brave and funny and stood up for what she believed in, and I want to be like that, so can I please have a princess costume"
Next question. A girl asks:
"Mum, Dad, can I have a batman costume because batman is strong and daring and fights crime?"
What's the answer. No - you can have a heavily sexualised batgirl costume instead?
As you all don't seem to understand:
Young children don't see gender in the same way that adults do. They see behaviour far more prominently. Historically, many stories have ascribed particular behavioural traits to their protagonists based on gender.
If you choose to restrict a child's choice of play characters based on gender we implicitly endorse certain roles and character attributes according to gender. Boys - brave, strong, hardy, stoic. Girls - weak, defenseless, emotional. We teach our version of what we expect boys and girls to be based on narrow definitions - that somehow it's wrong for a boy to be weak or emotional or kind.
So no, this isn't about telling boys and girls that there are no differences between the genders, there are and they will discover this, without any help from us, when the time comes. It's about allowing children to explore all types of different characters, emotions, behaviours and roles through play without restricting their choices based on gender.
"If any young lad asks "Mum, Dad, can I have a princess costume?"A sensible answer is:" Girls become Princesses son, boys become Princes. Would you like a Prince's costume? "No, I watched Frozen and thought Elsa was brave and funny and stood up for w
lfc1971 28 Dec 17 12:14 nonsensevery well. you are entitled to think that. But if I'm wrong, what harm does it cause?And if you're wrong, what harm does it cause?
i would quite like to see boys and girls dressed in blue overalls as was the practice in communist China There's something to be said for that , I think it would be good for Britains children
i would quite like to see boys and girls dressed in blue overalls as was the practice in communist China There's something to be said for that , I think it would be good for Britains children
lfc1971 28 Dec 17 12:17 young boys and girls are not meant to be good , or worry too much about that sort of rubbish
so they shouldn't have to worry about my sort of rubbish, but should definitely have to worry about your concerns.
I would say "my sort of rubbish" is a great deal more accessible to a child's mind than your concerns.
you're veering off topic quite noticeably now...one thinglfc1971 28 Dec 17 12:17 young boys and girls are not meant to be good , or worry too much about that sort of rubbishso they shouldn't have to worry about my sort of rubbish, but should definit
dstyle rules the roost with attaining the high moral ground and defeats you all from the benefits of observation
it is the military way
you should all be ashamed of yourselves for not seeing it his way
Having said that boys should not be encouraged to wear princess dresses - particularly with wings. Have you seen what happens to young people who get confused over their sexuality or body image. Dstyle and his type who continue with a barrage of propaganda both in the media and on sites help with this interferrence with their attempts to change nature. Very dangerous. Particularly if you have wings. They might want to fly Wonder what our bearded friends think of this?
dstyle rules the roost with attaining the high moral ground and defeats you all from the benefits of observationit is the military wayyou should all be ashamed of yourselves for not seeing it his wayHaving said that boys should not be encouraged to
boys shouldn't be encouraged to wear dresses, nor, and it was a decision i actively opposed at my son's nursery, should they be told that they can't play war based games.
Nor will I pretend that there aren't specific types of behaviour which little boys and little girls naturally tend to congregate towards.
But if a young boy or a young girl wants to dress up as a character which is often depicted as female or male respectively, i believe that there is the potential for more harm in opposing it than there is in allowing it.
If anyone is imposing control or enforcing particular ways to think, it is those who are opposed to this idea.
again with the strawmen.boys shouldn't be encouraged to wear dresses, nor, and it was a decision i actively opposed at my son's nursery, should they be told that they can't play war based games.Nor will I pretend that there aren't specific types of b
I've invited comments on here for people to explain why they think it is so damaging to allow young boys to dress up as girls and vice versa. I've got imprecise explanations like "it's unhealthy" without explaining why it is.
I have explained why I think it's important to allow this.
Convince me I'm wrong, and I'll change my mind. I would hope you could extend me the same courtesy.
I've invited comments on here for people to explain why they think it is so damaging to allow young boys to dress up as girls and vice versa. I've got imprecise explanations like "it's unhealthy" without explaining why it is.I have explained why I th
dstyle is part of a minority of very noisy people who see it as trendy to grab attention about confusing gender on the basis of a minority who themselves have issues and will also be confused. This is sad on so many points. Instead of concentrating on the issues us so called trans have, they wish to impose the trans view on 100 percent of the population - of which there is only a minority of trans. And many of this tiny minority (who say they speak for us) have seized the political torch to castigate hamilton and the rest of you. I don't expect any of you would appreciate me bombarding you with the trans view of the world. But unfortunately dstyle and his friends in the media seem obsessed with thrashing you constantly with their strange need to tell the majority how to run their lives. Just leave us in the trans world alone and stop badgering the majority with your silly views of it because you actually know nothing about it. They like to use this topic and the whole lgbti issue as a political rallying point to show how inadequate the rest of you are. It surely is about feeling good as they have you by the .... ho ho
dstyle is part of a minority of very noisy people who see it as trendy to grab attention about confusing gender on the basis of a minority who themselves have issues and will also be confused. This is sad on so many points.Instead of concentrating on
They also try to lump the many strands of so called 'trans' under one label as they do with the whole lgbti issue. But it is good for making you straights feel uncomfortable and is also good for votes. It also forces politicians into a corner and makes people apologise for being straight. Or apologise for something that does not need apologising for.
They also try to lump the many strands of so called 'trans' under one label as they do with the whole lgbti issue. But it is good for making you straights feel uncomfortable and is also good for votes. It also forces politicians into a corner and m
crikey, that's an impressive amount of information you've divined about me.
none of it is true, but it's impressive you went to the effort to type it.
this topic has absolutely nothing to do with transgender issues. In making it so, it shows you clearly miss the entire thrust of the argument and have mistaken it for something else entirely.
I happen to agree that an over-representation of a minority's minor problems in preference to the majority's major problems is virtue signalling politics at its very worst.
and cis is the term you wanted to describe non trans people.
crikey, that's an impressive amount of information you've divined about me. none of it is true, but it's impressive you went to the effort to type it.this topic has absolutely nothing to do with transgender issues. In making it so, it shows you clear
Yes it has everything to do with agenda and you are one of the types who seizes the issue as a political weapon to bash the majority by embarrassing them and beating them into a corner. You high ground types make me choke as you know nothing about the issue and certainly haven't experienced it. I do we were left alone to get on with our lives instead of being lectured to all the time by the helpful do gooding types like you.
Yes it has everything to do with agenda and you are one of the types who seizes the issue as a political weapon to bash the majority by embarrassing them and beating them into a corner. You high ground types make me choke as you know nothing about t
Only a few years ago it was not a front line issue of debate It is now and I wish it would stop. You and others make it difficult for us and you embarrass yourself and yourselves who flog this horse relentlessly.
Only a few years ago it was not a front line issue of debateIt is now and I wish it would stop. You and others make it difficult for us and you embarrass yourself and yourselves who flog this horse relentlessly.
No it doesn't. It has nothing to do with this topic. The point about this particular issue is to do with allowing young children to express themselves without being restricted by adult ideas that they don't place any importance on.
You have conflated this topic with something else which is clearly making you very very cross. I'm not here to argue about that, and moreover, if I were, you would find that I'm sympathetic towards your concerns.
why do you like the use of the word thrust?
(and you described both groups as trans in your post at 14:44, which is why I suggested you needed another word)
Yes it has everything to do with agendaNo it doesn't. It has nothing to do with this topic. The point about this particular issue is to do with allowing young children to express themselves without being restricted by adult ideas that they don't plac
Oh and read the OP title line 'transgender' hope this helps ok???
Being involved in the whole messy business (he he) I have always struggled with the labels I must admit.
LGBTI ism AND tran stuff is the latest metro buzz word
up till now it was essential to have a gay at a dinner party
now it is having a trans as a guest - if you don't you are nothing in today's chatterarty society.
and it seems we have to tell the youngsters its pink tights and wings now!!!!
anyone remember adam and the ants - guys wearing full make up on the busses in the 80s etc etc
my heyday ho ho
Oh and read the OP title line 'transgender' hope this helps ok???Being involved in the whole messy business (he he) I have always struggled with the labels I must admit.LGBTI ism AND tran stuff is the latest metro buzz wordup till now it was es
young boys wearing princess dresses can lead to all manner of strange ideas and perversions , I have no doubt about that ...they may take to playing netball
I can assure you no young boy in England should play netball
young boys wearing princess dresses can lead to all manner of strange ideas and perversions ,I have no doubt about that ...they may take to playing netball I can assure you no young boy in England should play netball
The first question that comes to mind on whether I might possibly be a girl well wearing dresses never troubles my mind That has never , never , not for a single moment entered my mind
The first question that comes to mind on whether I might possibly be a girl well wearing dresses never troubles my mind That has never , never , not for a single moment entered my mind
History shows that all great civilisations decline into madness and decline into anarchy when men start wearing dresses That is what is happening now to Britain, the greatest of all civilisations Look around , look around
History shows that all great civilisations decline into madness and decline into anarchy when men start wearing dresses That is what is happening now to Britain, the greatest of all civilisations Look around , look around
"But unfortunately dstyle and his friends in the media seem obsessed with thrashing you constantly with their strange need to tell the majority how to run their lives."
But isn't Lewis Hamilton doing a similar thing. Isn't Hamilton telling people (5 million plus followers) how to run their lives. Is it ok for one group of people to tell someone what they should and shouldn't do - Hamilton telling people boys shouldn't wear dresses, but not o.k. for another group of people to do the same thing - Hamilton you're wrong.
"But unfortunately dstyle and his friends in the media seem obsessed with thrashing you constantly with their strange need to tell the majority how to run their lives."But isn't Lewis Hamilton doing a similar thing. Isn't Hamilton telling people (5 m
boys should not wear fairy suits - especially with wings
dstyle is one of a small group that make lots and lots of noise in an attempt to silence the majority and how they live their lives
it is all about that - not about one individual
UA you are part of that problem
boys should not wear fairy suits - especially with wingsdstyle is one of a small group that make lots and lots of noise in an attempt to silence the majority and how they live their livesit is all about that - not about one individualUA you are part
I don't see DStyle trying to silence anyone. Much rather he was attemping to have a sensible discussion. Little did he know that something like that is and always has been impossible with you, mobbo.
I don't see DStyle trying to silence anyone. Much rather he was attemping to have a sensible discussion. Little did he know that something like that is and always has been impossible with you, mobbo.
Oh, I see you corrected me on the spelling of your previous username. True, it was mobo, not mobbo. Sorry, perfectly innocent mistake and certainly not done on purpose.
Oh, I see you corrected me on the spelling of your previous username. True, it was mobo, not mobbo. Sorry, perfectly innocent mistake and certainly not done on purpose.
I wouldn't know about mobo what is your point?? just an attempt to obfuscate yet again. One of your traits. you are part of the problem like UA - the transgender issue is way beyond your experience.
I wouldn't know about mobo what is your point?? just an attempt to obfuscate yet again. One of your traits.you are part of the problem like UA - the transgender issue is way beyond your experience.
Have you seen what happens to young people who get confused over their sexuality or body image.
Is there not a possibility that people are becoming confused because they want to do one thing, but being told that they shouldn't do that thing as it is not "right" and should do something else instead.
Here are a couple of questions for anyone who wants to answer
Q when did you decide that you were going to be heterosexual and not hom0sexual (or vice versa) Q do you think that if you had been brought up differently your sexuality would be different.
Have you seen what happens to young people who get confused over their sexuality or body image. Is there not a possibility that people are becoming confused because they want to do one thing, but being told that they shouldn't do that thing as it is
At this point I think it's an appropriate moment to remind us all that there are only two genders, male and female. There is absolutely nothing for any young (or old) person to be 'confused' about.
Hope that helps.
At this point I think it's an appropriate moment to remind us all that there are only two genders, male and female. There is absolutely nothing for any young (or old) person to be 'confused' about. Hope that helps.
I feel sorry for today's young people . There is an entire industry out there which nauseatingly and inexplicably seeks to persuade them that they are neither male or female, and that they are not heterosexual.
People can actually go on courses that seek to train them in something called 'LGBTTQQIAAP', which at first glance looks like a bad hand at Scrabble.
I feel sorry for today's young people . There is an entire industry out there which nauseatingly and inexplicably seeks to persuade them that they are neither male or female, and that they are not heterosexual. People can actually go on courses that
There is an entire industry out there which nauseatingly and inexplicably seeks to persuade them that they are neither male or female, and that they are not heterosexual.
Look at it from the bright side. Gay youngsters need to hide much less than used to be the case. It's also much easier to free yourself from the harmful religious indoctrination than in days thankfully gone by. No more entire church industry that nauseatingly and inexplicably seeks to persuade them that they are an abomination for no good reason other than some random dude once upon a time putting it into foetid book written thousands of years ago. Wait, actually there still is that industry. Not to mention
Furthermore, while media coverage has increased dramatically, violence among young people is actually down compared to decades of the past. If we're being honest, today's youngsters are by and large much more civilised and better than us rascals were.
Additionally, while there might be increased emphasis in our societies to make sure to communicate that being yourself is ok and you don't need to hide, I wouldn't say it's nauseating or that it's trying to persuade people to suddenly want dick instead of ****. Or that there's any real effort to persuade people they're neither male nor female.
Instead there's an industry that persuades girls to use makeup at an ever younger age. There's a new Kinder egg specifically made for girls. An entire Disney Princesses franchise and all that kinda stuff that actually caters specifically to girls (though occasionally you might get a boy inspired by the movies and want to dress up as one of those heroines. That's how cool they are). And more so than used to be the case. I don't remember growing up and girls having all these unicorns, awesome shows like Wishenpoof, Disney heroines (ranging from rather girly to brave Moana) that teach them women can be cool and awesome too (i.e it's ok to be a girl) or them using makeup at like 4 years old.
Overall, it must be pretty darn good to be young.
There is an entire industry out there which nauseatingly and inexplicably seeks to persuade them that they are neither male or female, and that they are not heterosexual.Look at it from the bright side. Gay youngsters need to hide much less than used
IS - It’s about consistency. The action of Hamilton is the same as the action of other individuals. Hamilton expressed an opinion “boys shouldn’t wear dresses” and shared it with the public. Other people expressed an opinion “Hamilton I think you are wrong boys should be allowed to wear dresses if they want to” and shared it with the public. As moisok pointed out that Dstyle and the media were “telling the majority how to live their lives”, I thought that as it’s the same action then Hamilton must also be “telling people how to live their lives”.
So when you say “LH saying the first thing came into his mind is telling people how to live their lives, i have never read something so ridiculous.” I assume what you must be saying is that “LH saying the first thing came into his mind is telling people how to live their lives, is the most equally ridiculous thing I’ve read along with "But unfortunately dstyle and his friends in the media seem obsessed with thrashing you constantly with their strange need to tell the majority how to run their lives."
Look Hamilton had an opinion and shared it with the public. Certain members of the public had an opinion and shared it with the public. If you object to the principle of one you object to the principle of the other. If you find one action outrageous then you should find the other action outrageous as well. I have no moral outrage with Hamilton, I don’t wish to silence anyone , I have no political agenda, I am making no statement on how the media report or not report information, I just disagree with Hamilton’s opinion.
IS - It’s about consistency. The action of Hamilton is the same as the action of other individuals. Hamilton expressed an opinion “boys shouldn’t wear dresses” and shared it with the public. Other people expressed an opinion “Hamilton I thi
In the Famous Five one of the Five is called Georgina and is a girl who desperately wants to be a boy and so only wears boys clothes, keeps her hair short and only responds when called “George”. This behaviour is tolerated by her parents who call her George.
I assume this is what you astutely wanted to bring into the discussion LFC1971.
In the Famous Five one of the Five is called Georgina and is a girl who desperately wants to be a boy and so only wears boys clothes, keeps her hair short and only responds when called “George”. This behaviour is tolerated by her parents who call
In religion some would say ; God doesn’t make mistakes. When He fashioned you in your mother’s womb with the care of that of an artist making His one and only greatest masterpiece, God took delight in choosing the things that make you uniquely you. If you feel like there was some big mistake when you were created, then let’s just be brutally honest and say that we don’t share the same definition of God. If God is an all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving Father, it is impossible for Him to make mistakes because it would be contrary to His nature. God created you male or female for a reason.
In religion some would say ; God doesn’t make mistakes. When He fashioned you in your mother’s womb with the care of that of an artist making His one and only greatest masterpiece, God took delight in choosing the things that make you uniquely y
yes of course U.A. exactly so as I have already tried to explain , Georgina was a bit of a tomboy that's good, Of course there is more to it than that , there is a lot of good in Enid Blytons stories for young people boys and girls Such a clever writer she was
yes of course U.A. exactly so as I have already tried to explain , Georgina was a bit of a tomboy that's good,Of course there is more to it than that , there is a lot of good in Enid Blytons stories for young people boys and girls Such a clever write
You see she depicted young boys and girls , the famous 5 , or 7 Having adventures on islands etc in their own world , away from the stifling sight of parents just themselves
You see she depicted young boys and girls , the famous 5 , or 7 Having adventures on islands etc in their own world , away from the stifling sight of parents just themselves
on an island, having an adventure , camping, down by the sea , getting into trouble, having a wonderful time .. Not much angst there , what's wrong with that ? I don't know
on an island, having an adventure , camping, down by the sea , getting into trouble, having a wonderful time ..Not much angst there , what's wrong with that ?I don't know
I'm not sure you could Read Enid Blyton to youngsters anymore. She liberally used the word 'gay', in the traditional meaning of happy and carefree. It was ok in the 90s, my young daughter was unaware the word had been hijacked. Youngsters may be rather confused by it, now they are rushed into being made aware of homosexuality.
I'm not sure you could Read Enid Blyton to youngsters anymore. She liberally used the word 'gay', in the traditional meaning of happy and carefree. It was ok in the 90s, my young daughter was unaware the word had been hijacked. Youngsters may be rath
Perhaps you can recall the names of the three characters her story The Three Golliwogs.
Or the plotline of The Little Black Doll.
And that's before we start with a rather outdated and stereotyped view of gender roles in the Famous Five.
Now of course, we must allow for some cultural and historical relativism: none of this was wrong at the time she wrote the books and for a good period thereafter, and she shouldn't be criticised for it. We shouldn't demand that her books are burnt or that she's erased from history but I think many parents would prefer other books with good reason.
I'm not sure that's the reason saddo.Perhaps you can recall the names of the three characters her story The Three Golliwogs.Or the plotline of The Little Black Doll.And that's before we start with a rather outdated and stereotyped view of gender role
^ that's wrong, see how people will believe what they want to believe ? She was banned as early as the 1930s , not one of her stories was ever broadcast She was banned by the 'educationalists' at the BBC Perhaps she was too English , nevertheless she sold millions of books
^ that's wrong, see how people will believe what they want to believe ?She was banned as early as the 1930s , not one of her stories was ever broadcast She was banned by the 'educationalists' at the BBCPerhaps she was too English , nevertheless she s
Will the little darlings be traumatised by the stories in Enid Blyton ? Well if they have to endure the appearance of a small boy in a princess dress I am sure they will survive the horror of middle class everyday English children
Will the little darlings be traumatised by the stories in Enid Blyton ?Well if they have to endure the appearance of a small boy in a princess dress I am sure they will survive the horror of middle class everyday English children
Blyton was not even permitted to be interviewed on woman's hour , once again the 'educationalists' however they are would not permit her voice to be heard Nothing much changes at the BBC
Blyton was not even permitted to be interviewed on woman's hour , once again the 'educationalists' however they are would not permit her voice to be heard Nothing much changes at the BBC
Well she sold 600 million books worldwide, with 3,600 translations Every type if young person from every country in the world loved her books But of course some people like DStyle know better
Well she sold 600 million books worldwide, with 3,600 translations Every type if young person from every country in the world loved her books But of course some people like DStyle know better
The novel Edith Blyton was writing was always the same novel , it was an English novel that's why people loved it ,in England , and many countries throughout the world And perhaps that is why the BBC hated it
The novel Edith Blyton was writing was always the same novel , it was an English novel that's why people loved it ,in England , and many countries throughout the world And perhaps that is why the BBC hated it
It's all about a minority of people 'torch bearing' for a group. They use it politically. It makes them feel good. Backing everyone into a corner. Politicians etc, so no one dare utter a word. Very few of them are so called trans and very few know what it is like to be part of that group and what we want. Your language and culture is forcefully being changed by them as they seize the narrative on many issues. And people on here actually welcome it.
It's all about a minority of people 'torch bearing' for a group. They use it politically. It makes them feel good. Backing everyone into a corner. Politicians etc, so no one dare utter a word.Very few of them are so called trans and very few know