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By:
akabula
When: 01 Dec 17 19:40
The Scottish Saltire which is flown over Holyrood consists of a white cross on a light blue background albeit there are instances elsewhere of the background being dark blue. HTH
By:
pa lapsy
When: 01 Dec 17 20:34
^ Simply all because Arlene kicked off, that is your original excuse for your earlier drum banging on the 1st page.
Sick sheet of want want want,nothing ever changes, due a greatbig foook off and not before time,
Btw you are right Jack Hardshaw.
By:
akabula
When: 01 Dec 17 20:53
Any chance of that in English I don't do gaelic.
By:
pa lapsy
When: 01 Dec 17 20:57
You are a Scot,why are so vocal concerning the Irish border? You must not have understood the question earlier in the thread or you went conviently "deaf".
By:
pa lapsy
When: 01 Dec 17 21:01
Don't bother,f--- off back to your rangers thread.
By:
akabula
When: 01 Dec 17 21:06
My wife is Irish. And why so vocal?
Well having listened to her and her family who are still in Ireland I know that nobody wants a hard border.
The only point I've made is why are the ROI not putting the rest of the EU under pressure rather than trying to force the UK to go against the wishes of the majority here.
There are implications to staying in the Customs Union and Single Market, ie we have to sign up to other things as well.
By:
pa lapsy
When: 01 Dec 17 21:15
My 21.34 post was clear enough,just maybe too close to the bone,you ridiculed it,the point on the first page you were screaming in unison with Arlene is no doubt correct.
If your wife is "Irish" wouldn't she want a united Ireland?
By:
pa lapsy
When: 01 Dec 17 21:33
Be honest,correct label is British from the North of Ireland, poor effort really, fool yourself.
By:
akabula
When: 01 Dec 17 21:38
No point trying to debate with a hate filled bigot like yourself.
I can understand your frustration though. It must be hard to take that majority in both the north and south of Ireland wouldn't vote for a United Ireland if given the chance.
By:
pa lapsy
When: 01 Dec 17 21:41
haha, you are the "hun", the usual throw mud,yeah some may stick but 1.01 i called it right,goodnight now.
By:
stickyvicky
When: 01 Dec 17 22:14


Laugh
By:
pa lapsy
When: 04 Dec 17 16:38
So now it isn't Ireland(first few posts),the UK or Europe but the DUP, what a surprise.
By:
lfc1971
When: 04 Dec 17 17:08
now , now  N Ireland will not be bullied by the EU and the republic

Quite right
By:
edy
When: 04 Dec 17 17:28
It's always the same with those darn flat-earthers.
By:
lfc1971
When: 04 Dec 17 17:52
If the loyalists manage to scupper any deal by May with the EU they will be doing us all a great service

I think that's fair to say
By:
kincsem
When: 04 Dec 17 19:52
Joined: 06 Nov 11 | Topic/replies: 17,787 | Blogger: lfc1971's blog
As regards membership of the EU ?
Well people in Ireland , north and south , have a very privileged position
After Brexit they alone of all European countries will maintain the automatic right to live and work in Britain and Europe

They should, if they were sensible , keep as quiet as possible and hope nobody notices


Correct me if I am wrong, I frequently am.

"People who are citizens of the United Kingdom (UK) are entitled to live in Ireland without any conditions or restrictions.
Unlike the citizens of other countries, they are not subject to the Aliens Act 1935 or to any orders made under it.
This means that a UK citizen does not need a visa, any form of residence permit or employment permit in Ireland.
They are entitled to move to Ireland from any country and they may move to Ireland to work or to retire.
Unlike other EU citizens, UK citizens may retire to Ireland without having to establish that they have sufficient resources or that they have private health insurance."
By:
Wallflower
When: 04 Dec 17 20:04
You are correct  lfc1971. Unfortunately  a few "tribes"  are not going to be happy in the long run

1. Hard Brexiteers:  If DUP scupper a deal.......then its "no deal" with EU (not going to happen) - it's UK to remain in CU and / or SM

2. Scottish Nationalists - like myself - if UK remains on CU / SM then no Scottish impetus to break away


Remainers will probably live with it. Ireland will be delighted. DUP relieved after the nearly calamitous own goal.


(on another thread - its a comedy of unintended circumstances all round).
By:
kincsem
When: 04 Dec 17 20:09
Yes.  It means the Unionists have cancelled the Brexit vote of the UK.
By:
lfc1971
When: 04 Dec 17 20:11
An well kincsem let me explain as simply as possibly

What Ireland does and who it lets into its country is of no concern to me
That's for Ireland to decide
And it's for Britain to decide who it lets come here
In my opinion when the rep voted for independence 100 years ago it should have lost the automatic rights of British citizens
That's what it means when you want 'independence' And also as a member of the EU should now lose those rights following Brexit

Does that make it any clearer to you ?
By:
lfc1971
When: 04 Dec 17 20:15
no ? thought not
By:
kincsem
When: 04 Dec 17 21:40
Sorry lfc1971
I don't spend all my day on the Betfair Forum.

That is probably what your "no ? thought not" comment meant.  You expected an immediate response to your post.
You do not have to explain things to me "as simply as possible"
That implies that you are more educated, more informed, and more intelligent.

You said
"Well people in Ireland , north and south , have a very privileged position
After Brexit they alone of all European countries will maintain the automatic right to live and work in Britain and Europe "

British people have the right to work in Ireland (in the EU).
Perhaps the people in the UK have the bigger privilege of working in Ireland, a country with a higher GDP than the UK?
I had the right to work in the UK throughout my working life, and worked outside Ireland for a few years but the UK never attracted me.

I think your use of Europe might mean the EU but I can not be certain what some of your posts are saying.
By:
lfc1971
When: 04 Dec 17 22:09
kincsem , I will have to explain again .try and read slowly and understand

I didn't expect an immediate response , I expected a response that showed you didn't understand
It had nothing to do with when you might or might not respond
Now is that clear enough ?

As to you not understanding what I meant by the fact that Ireland alone of all European countries will maintain the automatic right to live in both Britain and Europe ?
Well I don't believe you don't understand what is meant by that
There is no point in talking nonsense about Ireland being a European country , so is Britain  for that matter , so what?

It is just that sort of dishonesty that is worse than not understanding , so don't try and pull that one
I'm not filed by that sort of rubbish
By:
lfc1971
When: 04 Dec 17 22:13
Now I am not interested in Ireland's GDP, that is a meaningless figure
That is fine and good . If Ireland is so wonderful and talented I am sure they will have no need to come to Britain to live and work
And we will soon be hearing about the kingdom of Ireland
Very good
By:
lfc1971
When: 04 Dec 17 22:14
Now if you can not at least try to be honest we are not going to get very much further
By:
xmoneyx
When: 04 Dec 17 22:23
.@Peston says May will go to Cabinet tomorrow and call for ministers to back regulatory alignment for the whole of the entire UK.
By:
lfc1971
When: 04 Dec 17 22:26
That at least would be acceptable to the unionists , on that narrow but fundamental point of maintaining the integrity if the UK
Whether it is a good thing is a different question
By:
akabula
When: 05 Dec 17 06:41
We will not accept any form of regulatory divergence which separates Northern Ireland economically or politically from the rest of the United Kingdom.
Arlene Foster.


What's wrong with that stance?
By:
pa lapsy
When: 05 Dec 17 08:33
The thread was born in regards Irelands hard stance over a free border, you know who ye are on the thread,and all because Arlene kicked off,it appears as was stated Ireland wanted a soft border along with the UK EU and the dup,now the dup have changed their mind,were they so thick stupid that they couldn't see the point that there would be a slightly different demograph then the rest of the Uk?
It wouldn't surprise me given Arlenes record with the green scheme.

Apologies to Leo and Simon wouldn't go amiss on this thread.
By:
p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y
When: 05 Dec 17 08:42
Arlene Foster is horrible nasty bigoted weapon. A bit like some of the uneducated pond life on here
By:
Foinavon
When: 05 Dec 17 09:31
There are those who, lacking a coherent argument, resort to personal abuse.
The DUP and their supporters wish to remain full citizens of the United Kingdom. There is nothing wrong with that.
By:
mrtopnotch
When: 05 Dec 17 09:50
Northern Ireland Assembly Election
Democratic Unionist Party 28.1%
Sinn Féin 27.9%
Ulster Unionist Party 12.9%
SDLP 11.9%
Alliance Party 9.1%
OTHERS 10.2%
By:
mrtopnotch
When: 05 Dec 17 09:52
Northern Ireland - in the EU Referendum voteHappy
Remain 56%
Brexit 44%
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Dec 17 09:55
The vote of someone in N Ireland is not more important than my vote in England
By:
mrtopnotch
When: 05 Dec 17 09:56
General Election Results - Northern Ireland
Democratic Unionist Party 10 seats   
Sinn Fein 7 seats Mischief   
Social Democratic & Labour Party 0   
Ulster Unionist Party 0
Alliance Party    0
Green Party 0   
Traditional Unionist Voice    0   
Others    1
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Dec 17 09:57
And that includes Scotland and Wales while we mention it . The vote of someobebin Scotland is not more important than my vote in England
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Dec 17 09:58
That's a very good show by the DUP
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Dec 17 10:00
Why should someone vote in N Ireland be more...or for that matter less important than mine

Well if course it shouldn't
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Dec 17 10:02
If they have the cheek to vote in a U.K. referendum then they will have to accept that simple principle
By:
lfc1971
When: 05 Dec 17 10:04
Some people might not like to accept the result , but of course that's democracy
it's too bad
By:
mrtopnotch
When: 05 Dec 17 10:05
DUP
The Democratic Unionist Party assert that "Irish and Gaelic culture should not be allowed in Northern Ireland, and have blocked proposed laws that would promote and protect the Irish language.
The party is also a as right-wing populist containing extremist tendencies. The party has historic links with the far right in Northern Ireland and is linked to the Ulster loyalist faction of unionism.The DUP was also recently endorsed in the 2017 UK general election by the Loyalist Communities Council, an umbrella group of loyalist paramilitary groups, which are proscribed terrorist organisations.

In foreign policy the DUP "takes a staunchly pro-Israel line"

The DUP has opposed LGBT rights in Northern Ireland. Party leaders—as well as many prominent party members—have condemned homosexuality, and a 2014 survey found that two-thirds of party members believe homosexuality is wrong.The DUP campaigned against the legalisation of homosexual acts in Northern Ireland through the "Save Ulster from Sodomy" campaign between 1977 and 1982, and the party has vetoed the legalisation of same-sex marriage in Northern Ireland since 2015, making Northern Ireland the only region of the UK where same-sex marriage is not legalised.
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