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5 Year Olds to be taught about Gay Marriage
5 Year Olds to be taught about Gay Marriage
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Read back but missed Platini!  |
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edy - sorry for being so slow to get back to you. Work gets in the way of my chit chat!
I think most people have sexual boundaries that they won't cross or believe society as a whole shouldn't cross. Sex with a child Sex with a relative Sex with an animal. Sex with a dead person. We can probably agree on these 3 and they're currently illegal too. Others have become more arbitary: Adultery Sex out of marriage Anal intercourse between 2 men 2 women doing whatever they do People would argue on the above as to what is right and wrong and of course these ones are legal though not totally accepted as being morally right. Then there are wider societal issues: Kids born out of wedlock (remember that phrase!!??) Kids born as a result of casual sex or brief fling and and now an absent father ( a MASSIVE problem). Gay men/women in sexual relationships. Bisexuals mixing it up. Gays adopting kids and marrying. All of these are legal, though again, not totally accepted as being good for society. Love and tolerance should never be confused with setting out a blueprint for society. That 'Plan A' will discourage certain lifestyles, behaviour and choices in favour of others for the overrall benefit of all. That's not hate. The fact that the first list contains illegal behaviour shows that tolerance does not extend to everyone. Boundaries are there for a reason. Imagine the devasting affect on families if incest became legal and promoted in schools as normal. Brothers dating sisters, splitting up and not comminicating ever again. Fathers attracted to their daughters or sons....yuk. |
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what you find to be repulsive may be acceptable to others
if it isnt illegal, and not involving yourself, why would it bother you? if schools teach tolerance it is still within your remit to teach your kids that you find something unacceptable there are plenty of other sexual acts you missed out that others enjoy that the majority will frown upon. its your choice what opinions you attempt to pass on to your kids. plenty of gay kids go home to tell parents they are gay and plenty of homophobic parents find tolerance to accept their kids, of course they do not have to. |
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'if it isnt illegal, and not involving yourself, why would it bother you?'
donny - polygamy could soon be legal to appease Muslims and bisexuals. Would that bother you? Are you bothered for your grandchildren and their grandchildren? |
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its not legal....
no point jumping the gun, and folk dont need to be married to father multiple kids anyway some see serial womanisers as normal, french blokes will often keep a mistress and nothing much is said. not my cup of tea despite my user name ! |
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....married to multiple women...
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if my grandson's grandson turned out to be gay, i would hope his family
would accept him without prejudice |
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With respect you need to look ahead.
Polygamy next. Incest after that. Anyway if we take our morality from what is legal we're being led. I couldn't give a toss what is legal or not. I'll make my own mind up. |
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that's fair enough injera
i dont see those becoming legal in this country, you mentioned what was and wasnt and is and isnt legal, i merely commented good morals are never a bad thing, |
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Kids born as a result of casual sex or brief fling and and now an absent father ( a MASSIVE problem).
yeah, men absolutely need to be raised better. Has nothing to do with the topic though. If someone's gay, he's gay. Why should we make their lives miserable on purpose? Consenting adults having consenting love relationships with each other don't hurt us or society. Someone who is straight and would be the perfect father in a perfect family isn't suddenly going to go "blimey, gay people are accepted now. I'm really straight and would love to have a family with the woman of my dreams but I'm gonna be gay instead now! I want to feel that big penis in my butt until it bleeds all over, baby!". Sounds silly, right? That's because it is. I am really sorry, but I do not understand why the particular lifestyle of same sex relationships should be discouraged to "protect our societies". How have we in the past and how is our society going to reap an overall benefit in the future from excluding this reasonably sized crowd of mostly perfectly decent people, many of them productive, creative, smart minds, from being accepted members of our societies? Also, bringing up the hypothetical legalisation of incest as a reason of why something gay relationships should be discouraged is....let's be nice and call it questionable. |
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It should be the function of the educational system to EDUCATE, NOT to INDOCTRINATE. If people want to sin, they are free in today's society to sin. The law allows them to do that. But to indoctrinate small children to sin regardless of the wishes of their parents? That's not love, kindness and tolerance, as someone here labels it. That's communist dictatorship! Removing the power from EVERY parent to raise their own children and giving that power to the state!
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Yes that's true , that's how it was in soviet Russia. Ever Stalin himself couldn't stomach it.
When a young son who had informed on his parents and had them arrested by the the local communist gestapo and was presented to Stalin to be awarded with some medal of the soviet republic Stalin said : "Where is the little sh1te" That's the sort of society the leftists and 'liberals' want in Britain. |
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edy - not my point at all. I stressed that we all have boundaries. Incest is illegal. Not sure why given the current view that 'love trumps hate'. Surely if a brother loves his brother or sister or both they should be allowed to marry??
Where would you draw the line between what is tolerant and to be taught to 5 year olds and what should be discouraged? |
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You were not trying to put incest and gay coitus on a similar moral ground? Ok, sorry.
Most incestuous relationship probably happen without consent. In the vast majority of cases there will be a form of sexual abuse involved. In addition you are bound to experience the effects of inbreeding if children are produced. So incest, unlike same sex relationships, is indeed detrimental to our societies and most individuals involved. That's where I draw my first line. Also, incest is about sexual intercourse. It describes sexual activity between relatives. Same-sex relationships, like opposite sex relationships, can be shown and explained to 5-year olds without involving any sexual component. The hard work is done by Storks and bees. You know the drill. That's the second line. A child will not be damaged by being explained it's ok that Susan&Samantha are living together and loving each other very much like mommy and daddy do too. |
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Mommy is shagging her boss at work while daddy is drinking heavily and gambling. They shout and swear a lot at each other, but this is because they love each other very much. Mommy's boss is Yolanda, formerly Yusuf, a transgender Muslim dwarf from Pakistan. Yolanda is divorced from Agnieska, a second generation British girl of Polish extraction, whom Yusuf married to gain a British passport. Agnieska has now been divorced 68 times but has been happily married and happily divorced each time. She loved all her husbands very much, and she especially loves her new BMW soft top.
Susan and Samantha also live with with Polly, Molly, Holly, Jenny, Penny and Kenny. They all went to university and studied Media Studies together, now they all work in the fast food industry, serving very happy customers. They rent a 2 bedroom flat in Hounslow. That's because they all love each other very much and not because it's all they can afford. Kenny can't believe his luck. |
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clydebank - after a period of calm reflection, are you pleased with that post?
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punctuation poor
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blackbarn do you want to put me on the naughty step?
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I agree with the spirit of edy's posts but there is a difference between discouraging and encouraging. By not encouraging you are not discouraging. Primary school age is too young to entertain this subject imo. Better to teach about acceptance, tolerance, and diversity and that there is nothing wrong with being different, rather than hint at sexuality.
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edy - not sure if you clicked on the link but 5 year olds will be taught about men sleeping together...
As for incest and your point about the effects of inbreeding, contraception, the snip and gay incest will solve that. Incest is illegal/morally wrong for one reason and it has nothing to do with deformities: Many relationships succeed where there is NO romantic/sexual ingredient. |
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let kids be kids, FFS !
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''Hello, Sailor''
Jesus wept :D |
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Which of you lil rascals reported my perfectly innocent reply to Injera and got it deleted? Not cool, brothers.
Let me repeat it then: Sleeping together is a perfectly innocent action for children. Maybe in your sinful minds sex and sleeping together are one and the same, but for children it is not. For years they regularly come over to sleep with their parents in the same bed, get a first hand account of what, for a child, adults sleeping together means. Comfort and love. For a child there is nothing more to the action of sleeping together. Be it woman-man, woman-woman, man-man, parent-child, siblings or kindergarten mates sleeping together. |
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The thing is as a child of primary school age you don't think about it. You think about food, xmas, birthdays, friends and playing. You don't think about adults sleeping together. It's not natural to talk about adults sleeping together.
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It's another example of the PC brigade doing more harm than good.
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Do they really not? They spend a whole lot of time sleeping in the same bed together with a pair of adults (their parents, grandparents) and also love to talk about it.
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By the time they hit school age the interest starts lowering in sleeping together with their parents (and the usual parent will start kicking them out most nights. Not literally kicking, figuratively), but their view on sleeping together remains the same.
Sleeping together = nothing naughty whatsoever You lil rascals all all have very dirty minds. |
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Well I have 4 kids who have all been through Primary School and from my experience it's not something they speak about. As far as sleeping arrangements go they want their own bedroom and their own independence as quickly as possible. As toddlers they might have asked to sleep in mummy and daddy's bed, but I'm pretty sure they'd grown out of that insecurity by the time they reached primary school.
They would speak about thinks they did at school. Which puts a whole new slant on this initiative because it forces the parents to address the issue, which might reinforce the exact views that the initiative is designed to stop. If this policy was decided by a referendum it would be around 80/20 against it. That's because they think growing up naturally and without interference is best. Positive discrimination is discrimination. |
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They have dropped that term due to embarrassment, it is now called 'positive action'.
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The whole Point is why there is a Need to teach a 5yo Child anything about sex ,Never mind Homosexuals ,and what is running
this constant need to inform People about Homosexuals ,many on here should be thankful their fathers were not homosexuals . I have no interest in Sodomy if men want to shaft each other let them crack on with it behind closed Doors or where ever I accept men and Women are Gay ,Let them crack on with ,I have no further interest ,and if my children were in junior school I would prefer they were not informed about it till they were older . AS I said why is there a Constant need to Promote Homosexuals and the like ,Look at the BBC a main stream Website that feels the need to inform us about Transexuals and Crossdressers ,What percentage of the Population are of that persuasion ?? WTF is going on ?? Why are these obscure issue reported on ,with Special News Item Such as being Transvestite and Living in N Eire ?? What or Who is Fueling this insane Need to inform us all of these Extreme Minorities ?? |