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The Spanish police reaction was way OTT but why should the Spanish government bow to intimidation?
The referendum was illegal and against the Spanish constitution. What would happen if Yorkshire wanted to declare independence? Would a simple vote okay that? |
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Quite an unfortunate situation developing here. I don't know the difference between Catalan and Spain. I know they have a different language but a different " culture " ?. What does that mean?
I understand they have a financial dispute / disparity and that probably won't get solved any time soon. I can only see a lose / lose situation for both parties certainly in the short term. Europe has enough problems at the moment and this is making things worse and at the same time we have posturing from those involved in the Brexit negotiations. I dont think they realise if they don't sort it out we are all going to be hurt by it. |
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My son was telling about a neighbour who has had a Saltire (complete with YES printed on it) flying in his back garden since 2014.
He added the EU flag after Brexit but has trumped that by adding the Catalonian flag last week.  |
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I do wonder at times why these people want their own country particularly the Jocks. They have been screwed by their own masters from time immemorial. Their Lairds did business with English Kings and were suppressed by them. What will they achieve by being an Independent country? Their freedom? A man with a full belly can talk of democracy! If they want this freedom they should have it but I hope the UK remains United. We all speak English and have shared values, that is good enough for me! As for the Catalans I just don't know enough about them. Perhaps we have someone on here who could explain their beef in some detail?
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Cmon Rajoy, invade the f**kers
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Independence NOW !
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Live bbc news ....announcement.
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God this translator's voice is boring !
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Rajoy has called this spoofers bluff. Hes calling no independence
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Playing it canny !
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Totty alert !
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Hes now asking for permission to call independence.
Guy is some bull5hitter Cameronesque |
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Another step towards the abyss.
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scotland voted no
catalonia leader hold my beer |
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Spanish government gives Catalonia 8 days to drop its Independence claim or lose its autonomy. Slick move from Rajoy.
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Looks like the Catalans will bottle it.
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I'm not so sure, the Catalans have now been backed into a corner by that statement from Rajoy. When that happens to proud and emotional people they tend to come out fighting for the cause.
I don't entirely agree with the Catalan's right to independence, but I think most agree that the Spanish government's handling of the situation was absolutely terrible. Ask yourself this question: "what would you do now if you were the Catalan leader?" I can't see him rolling over having gone through all that upheaval. |
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The Catalans are weak because the Catalans position is dishonest.
They claim they want independence but want it and at the same time want to live off the back of the rest of greater Spain . That's dishonest , that's why they are like that , that's often the case with republicans. |
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Take a small example , Barcelona FC . Let them declare independence tomorrow .
And leave the Spanish league at the weekend. A big example ? Let the Catalan people declare independence . And lose the automatic right to live and work in Madrid and the rest of Spain . They don't want to do that do they? Other countries are the same , Scottish independence ? Well let's see if the Irish Republic becomes independent first . Or do they still want to retain the automatic rights of British citizens to live and work and and vote etc in Britain. . |
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That's 100 years ago the Irish republic declared 'independence'
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You see you can't have independence without borders , that's impossible.
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Madrid's crackdown continues.
Independence movement leaders held without bail due to sedition. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41646142 Why is the EU and May not condemning this and calling on the Spanish government to start talks. |
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Why should May condemn it? Why should she interfere with another countries rule of law? Does the Spanish PM comment on decisions of the British Judiciary?
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The EU has condemned Turkey for less.
Police brutality and jailing political opponents should have no place in modern European countries. |
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I don't think you've answered any of the questions I've asked. Again why should May condemn the contents of the article you posted?
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Spain removing the Catalans autonomy at the weekend.A dangerous game of poker being played here.
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Tension ratcheting up. Catalan leader speaking at 8pm.
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This isnt going to end well with the heavy hand approach.
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Catalan leader speaking at 8pm.
Has anyone viewed this? |
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Catalan President Carles Puigdemont says Catalonia will not accept Madrid's plan to curb the region's autonomy.Another crack in the EU dam.
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Thanks GOT.
Got right out of hand. Can see the activists responding with violence. |
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Don't worry, Robert Mugabe is going over as a peace ambassador to sort it out.
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If that fails maybe they'll dig up and send Stalin, or Goebbels.
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We could always send Tony.
The Middle East must be sorted by now surely. |
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Will be interesting to hear Corbyns view.
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Shocked no input from wee Nicola Sturgeon
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Who knows where this will end now the Catalans have declared independence and Madrid responded with a vote to take back control? Madrid will probably prevail by force but it won't be pretty. What a shame and worry for the Spanish people, I have fond memories of the country.
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Well done the Catalans for standing up the Globalists.
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The main problem the globalists are creating is no borders. Aren't the Catalans EU lovers if they are let in ?
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The crowds are going wild, great to see.
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