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ah facts and your 25354 posts sum up exactly what you are....
I do not make my beliefs on the basis of 10 min videos put up on youtube or facebook. What I do know is one side broke the law and it wasn't the police |
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BTW have watched the video and all I see is police removing illegal protestors who refuse to move or obey orders.
I'd say most of the injuries are of the attention seeking broken nail variety. Catalonian politicians who encouraged this should be brought before the courts on treason charges. You cannot have people ignoring laws and the constitution because they don't agree with them. Spain is not a fascist regime. Scotland found it easier to garner support for a vote by political means than by law breaking and violence and the idiot politicians in Catalonia will have to learn the same. |
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http://www.nourishingobscurity.com/2017/10/the-catalan-conundrum/
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' .......I'd say most of the injuries are of the attention seeking broken nail variety......' You have evidence of this do you ? |
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What a fkin plank Racing**** is
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Spain should suspend Barcelona fc from La Liga and the European cup.
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If there is a referendum and the vote is for independence they should be expelled with immediate effect the following weekend.
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The referendum should not be a secret ballot. Everyone in Spain who is Catalan should be allowed to vote irrespective of what part of Spain they live in.
Whoever voted for independence would no longer have the right to live and work outside Catalonia and would have to return from Madrid and any other part of Spain to their new homeland. |
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Catalans in Catalonia and other parts of Spain who voted against independence would retain the right to live and work in Spain.
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Unlike Barcelona fc who would be expelled promptly the weekend after a vote for independence citizens who had voted for independence would be given a time of perhaps 6 months to a year to leave Spain.
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People should not be allowed to play games with democracy , it is too precious . There must be responsibilities and consequences as well .
Who could deny that ? |
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Someone send these terms to the Madrid and Catalan government, and when agreed there can be a referendum.
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The police broke the law imo , they should not be involved in preventing a peaceful protest by law abiding people ,whether that protest is the act of citizens taking part in what has been deemed an unconstitutional vote by the spanish courts matters not ,Spain has let its mask slip and the uncivil guard show what they are all about ,no time for brute force against peaceful citizens by any state ,one fundamental of democracy is to be policed by consent ,there is no place for these ugly scenes of citizens being beaten for expressing there opinion in the shape of the ballot box ,shame on spain .
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What i dont understand if the vote was illegal why didnt just let them vote and the result would still be invalid, but without so many injuries or bad press. ?
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I was wondering why the Catalan government didn't organise it as 100% electronic voting, can't be that hard these days to set up.
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internet access is easily prevented or the voting process tampered with or disrupted ,they have done pretty well to hold the vote but now is the hard part ,they simply dont wont to be part of spain but already have a fair bit of autonomy ,not sure the argument about taxes being used elsewhere is a good one as if that was repeated across the globe we are in trouble .Think the real reasons are historical and run deep ,interesting to see how the EU deal with it ,difficult situation but raises a lot of questions .
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Are these people as stupid as the Scots?
Do they wish to gain independence, only to immediately hand it over to Brussels? |
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Sonko - my thoughts exactly. Totally unnecessary use of force by the Spanish Plod. It will make the locals want independence more.
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Funny all this outrage had it been English football fans you lot would of been banging on about how they deserved it
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Catalonia ain't going anywhere, it's not part of the plan
Best thing to do is stop working and don't pay taxes Lfc, this has nothing to do with football...it's a life style |
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Catalan Nationalists claim 900+ injured. Local Authorities put the figure at 90 with 4 hospitalized.
The social media mob though won't allow facts to get in the way of their usual grandstanding |
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So 90% of the 44% who voted, voted for independence? Bearing in mind that is practically all the people that would vote in a 'proper' referendum for yes and very few against it bothered to votes this time I'd say the Spanish gov should be organising the ref for Catalonia this week asap and make voting compulsory!
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Massive own goal by the Spanish government.
Any fence sitters will now be firmly on the side of independence. |
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When I did Spanish at school, there was quite a large emphasis on all things Catalan, the syllabus setters must have been from that region.
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Jeremy getting tore into the Spanish government.
Kinda loses impact when you see his praise of the Venezuelan government for a similar response to their citizens unrest. |
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Spotty fooling no one
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I'm supposedly on his banned list as well Aka, but he forgot yesterday and replied to a post of mine!
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Given the extreme brutality of the Spanish Civil War, this will not end well. Mind you, Spain's been cruel and bloody since El Cid. Expect Gibraltar to be flooded with refugees.
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Supposedly declaring Independence shortly. Statement at 11am.
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bodil • October 4, 2017 1:09 AM BST
Expect Gibraltar to be flooded with refugees. So rather than walk across the border to France and onward to the rest of Europe, the Catalonians will walk several hundred miles through "enemy" territory to try to gain access to a rock with limited facilities and no easy onward passage? |
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There's a bigger Marks and Spencer in Gib (ciggies are cheaper too).
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You cannot have people ignoring laws and the constitution because they don't agree with them.
Just imagine if Martin Luther King et al had accepted that in the 1960s. |
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After Catalonia,why not Luton or Bradford claiming independence after a locally engineered referendum monitored by the Imams ? This could open up a real can of worms for Brussels.
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lol at treetop, oh dear
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Tongue in cheek donny but it does raise an interesting prospect if Brussels supports violent repression.
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Everyone withdraws from everyone else .
Segregation is what happens , but along racial and religious lines. It's the future. |
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brussels doesnt seem to have thought this through
no great surprise there |
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My feeling is that this is exactly what happens when liberal elites push through policies like mass immigration and enforced integration too fast,it causes a reaction that can undo much of the good that is embodied within those policies. Large numbers of Brits have welcomed immigrants for generations but the speed of it can't happen fast enough for the liberals or slow enough for the more conservative (not the political term) peoples across the EU.Hence a backlash which is also happening across Europe.
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