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A police investigation has found there were initial grounds to suspect former prime minister Sir Edward Heath over child sexual abuse allegations.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/30/police-say-there-were-grounds-to-suspect-edward-heath-over-child-abuse-claims
Wiltshire police will release a report into the claims against Heath next week following a two-year inquiry, and its conclusion means that if the politician had still been alive he may have been formally interviewed by detectives under criminal caution.
The report will acknowledge the difficulty in assessing the validity of such historic abuse claims which date back decades and it will not reach a conclusion on whether Heath, who died in 2005, was guilty of the allegations.
The threshold for reason to suspect is relatively low in the English criminal justice system. Officers reached the conclusion, at least in part, because of the similarities in accounts from several complainants who alleged they were abused by Heath.
The Wiltshire force believe those accounts remain credible, and nothing has been found to undermine them by detectives. In private they have described those people as “victims”.
An interview under criminal caution is a key stage in building a criminal case against a suspect, but it also offers them an opportunity to rebut claims and dispute facts.
Heath was unmarried and his private life attracted speculation, some of it lurid and unfair. Heath became Conservative party leader in 1965 and later was the UK’s seventh postwar prime minister, serving from 1970 to 1974.
However, supporters of the former prime minister believe the findings by police are an unfair stain on Heath’s reputation and want a fresh judge-led inquiry.
Lincoln Seligman, godson of Heath, told the Guardian: “I want a judge-led review of the evidence, because that is the only way of getting to the truth. There is no other way I can see to get justice.
“I think they [the police] will suggest that the witnesses they have investigated tally with each other, therefore that makes their evidence credible. We fear the stain will remain, unfairly, for years.”
Wiltshire’s team also found material undermining the credibility of other people who came forward to make allegations against the former prime minister. Over 30 people contacted detectives.
The allegations against Heath came from people across the country and the investigation was led by Wiltshire police in western England, because the former prime minister had a home in Salisbury.
Mike Veale, the chief constable of Wiltshire, believed and will argue when the report in unveiled that the force was obliged to investigate. That need was made greater because Heath reached the very top of the British establishment and state power structure.
Veale felt his team of investigators and himself were being pressured to drop the inquiry, and faced a barrage of media criticism.
Detectives in the Heath inquiry, codenamed Operation Conifer, believe they have avoided the errors made by an earlier high-profile investigation into sexual abuse by the powerful, Scotland Yard’s ill-fated Operation Midland, which was castigated by an inquiry for falling for claims from a single alleged fantasist.
The usual resolution for a police criminal inquiry is asking prosecutors for a decision on charging. This was not available in the Heath case as the Crown Prosecution Service will not give advice in a case where the suspect is deceased, even if it is of considerable public interest.
The full report from Operation Conifer will go the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, which is likely to consider it as part of an inquiry into whether the powerful were protected from proper criminal investigation.
One former detective said he had received a claim of sexual abuse by Heath while the former prime minister was still alive.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/30/police-say-there-were-grounds-to-suspect-edward-heath-over-child-abuse-claims
Wiltshire police will release a report into the claims against Heath next week following a two-year inquiry, and its conclusion means that if the politician had still been alive he may have been formally interviewed by detectives under criminal caution.
The report will acknowledge the difficulty in assessing the validity of such historic abuse claims which date back decades and it will not reach a conclusion on whether Heath, who died in 2005, was guilty of the allegations.
The threshold for reason to suspect is relatively low in the English criminal justice system. Officers reached the conclusion, at least in part, because of the similarities in accounts from several complainants who alleged they were abused by Heath.
The Wiltshire force believe those accounts remain credible, and nothing has been found to undermine them by detectives. In private they have described those people as “victims”.
An interview under criminal caution is a key stage in building a criminal case against a suspect, but it also offers them an opportunity to rebut claims and dispute facts.
Heath was unmarried and his private life attracted speculation, some of it lurid and unfair. Heath became Conservative party leader in 1965 and later was the UK’s seventh postwar prime minister, serving from 1970 to 1974.
However, supporters of the former prime minister believe the findings by police are an unfair stain on Heath’s reputation and want a fresh judge-led inquiry.
Lincoln Seligman, godson of Heath, told the Guardian: “I want a judge-led review of the evidence, because that is the only way of getting to the truth. There is no other way I can see to get justice.
“I think they [the police] will suggest that the witnesses they have investigated tally with each other, therefore that makes their evidence credible. We fear the stain will remain, unfairly, for years.”
Wiltshire’s team also found material undermining the credibility of other people who came forward to make allegations against the former prime minister. Over 30 people contacted detectives.
The allegations against Heath came from people across the country and the investigation was led by Wiltshire police in western England, because the former prime minister had a home in Salisbury.
Mike Veale, the chief constable of Wiltshire, believed and will argue when the report in unveiled that the force was obliged to investigate. That need was made greater because Heath reached the very top of the British establishment and state power structure.
Veale felt his team of investigators and himself were being pressured to drop the inquiry, and faced a barrage of media criticism.
Detectives in the Heath inquiry, codenamed Operation Conifer, believe they have avoided the errors made by an earlier high-profile investigation into sexual abuse by the powerful, Scotland Yard’s ill-fated Operation Midland, which was castigated by an inquiry for falling for claims from a single alleged fantasist.
The usual resolution for a police criminal inquiry is asking prosecutors for a decision on charging. This was not available in the Heath case as the Crown Prosecution Service will not give advice in a case where the suspect is deceased, even if it is of considerable public interest.
The full report from Operation Conifer will go the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, which is likely to consider it as part of an inquiry into whether the powerful were protected from proper criminal investigation.
One former detective said he had received a claim of sexual abuse by Heath while the former prime minister was still alive.
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I suspect the only person Heath loved was himself.
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All this stuff was about as credible as The Rapture
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Private Eye convinced this is nonsense and I'm inclined to side with them.
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Police discharge and fail to blow their own feet off, quelle surprise.
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Unbelievable how much credence was given to 'Nick'
30 seconds of him on the TV anyone could see he was a fantasist , but the police were listening to his drivel for years. |
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Icke Accused him of Murder
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People tried to excuse Savile....we don't want a repeat of that do we ?
Officers reached the conclusion, at least in part, because of the similarities in accounts from several complainants who alleged they were abused by Heath. Over 30 people contacted detectives. |
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Him and Saville chucking them off yachts...
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no smoke without fire but because others are involved there WILL be a whitewash, it wont be allowed to go futher
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icke said really terrible things about Heath when ted was still alive,all ted said was "he must be mad"
if there was nothing to hide,if it was all rubbish surely heath would have sued icke to kingdom come,he did nothing! |
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Icke said he was really a 12 foot tall lizard
Not sure how much reputational damage that does tbf |
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child eating 12 foot lizard with big black soulless eyes
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"no smoke without fire".
It "challenged" statements like this that make me reconsider the value of a Jury System... |
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it just wont go away,a bit like you
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The British Secret Service have been trying to keep a lid on this as they were involved in covering it up.
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....according to some sources.
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Plod have bungled so many investigations, cynics would say 'though this be madness yet there is method in it'.
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No....I will look for them...just a min
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Here :
. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNelt33QP_8 Michael Shrimpton Exposes Ted Heath (and others) |
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Don't think we need a link to tell us ted heath was a wrong in,just Saville and many others that have been proven not guilty the list is endless leon,cliff truth will never surface bit like the Mcanns..
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Shrimpton describes himself as a "national security and intelligence specialist"
 He claims that his address is the headquarters of an international intelligence network and that he has travelled the world on intelligence assignments, with contacts in the CIA, FBI, MI6, Pentagon, Chinese intelligence, and the British Parliament  He credits himself with a role in several intelligence successes, including the capture of Osama bin Laden.  According to Shrimpton, Germany re-established its Nazi-era intelligence apparatus, the Deutsches Verteidigungs Dienst [sic] (DVD) in 1945, and has since used it to wreak economic and political chaos abroad.  The DVD is supposedly responsible for the assassinations (often via "weaponized cancer") of Hugh Gaitskell, Ross McWhirter, Airey Neave, Ian Gow, John Smith, James Goldsmith, Christopher Story, Anna Lindh, Jo Cox, Mohandas Gandhi, and John F. Kennedy, as well as for the sinking of the Russian submarine Kursk and for the Japanese tsunami of 2011 The mysterious disappearance of toddler Madeleine McCann was a particular interest of Shrimpton's.  According to Shrimpton, he made arrangements for the British Armed Forces to rescue Madeleine, who was being held in or near Morocco after being smuggled there from Lagos on a drug-running vessel On 19 April 2012, Shrimpton contacted Barry Burton, the principal private secretary of Defence Secretary Philip Hammond, to warn of an impending attack against London . According to Shrimpton, the DVD had stolen a nuclear warhead from the Kursk and planted it somewhere in London The agency was supposedly planning to detonate the warhead during the opening ceremony of the 2012 Summer Olympics, with the principal target being either the Olympic Stadium or Queen Elizabeth II Shrimpton said the source of this information was the Russian Main Intelligence Directorate, via a back-channel network that included a friend of Pope Benedict XVI Though officials knew Shrimpton to be unreliable and were suspicious of his claims, they were obliged to take the reports seriously. When they were confirmed to be hoaxes, Shrimpton was arrested at his home in Wendover on 20 April on charges of communicating false information with intent . During police questioning, he said his arrest was a "colossal ****-up" and demanded "compensation and a nice lunch with MI5" He later claimed that his arrest had been engineered by DVD infiltrators in the Thames Valley Police and had allowed the DVD time to remove the nuclear device On 23 April, Shrimpton wrote to Buckingham Palace, the Ministry of Defence, the Kremlin, and the NSA to inform them that the Queen was no longer under threat, but that the bomb may have been moved to Ground Zero in New York City While investigating the bomb hoax case, police discovered Shrimpton to be in possession of a memory stick containing forty indecent images of children This resulted in yet another criminal case, with Shrimpton being convicted and sentenced to a three-year supervision order and a five-year sexual offences prevention order  He was also required to sign the Violent and Sex Offender Register. Shrimpton unsuccessfully appealed against the conviction, claiming that local police or the intelligence services had planted the pornographic images in his home in order to discredit him  |
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Fitted up by MI5 ?
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^ Haven't read your....errr....smileys
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More than likely a beast a BEAST!
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The Shrimpton wiki entry was one of the funniest things i've read in a while
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So the case against Heath is made by Icke , 'Nick' and Shrimpton.
And David Icke is the probably the sanest of the three . |
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If he was alive he'd be odds on to be Rolf Harris' cell mate on the basis of that.
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shame your mind is so closed tobs
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any investigation into current labour MPs links to groups like pie in the 1970s?
There was a thread on here a few weeks ago that claimed there was a connection, even with prominent labour MPs , well the op mentioned a few names including Corbyn and others but I didn't think it could be true. no one commentating here would be prepared to vote labour if they went on rumours such as that I am sure. |
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That was nonsense !
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Don't try and hijack this thread .....start another !
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I thought it was nonsense leopard.
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the thing with all this kiddie fiddling vile thing is,its been going on for years and it would be naïve to think it doesn't happen now
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But because of all the recent revelations a massive spotlight has been shone on it and with all the traceability of mobiles and social media it is much harder to keep it hidden.
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if people in power are involved then its not that simple
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Didn't Corbyn and other labour MPs support the IRA, who murdered children ?
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No one here could possibly vote for such a person or party , I am sure.
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