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InsiderTrader
09 Aug 17 15:28
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Another day. Another town. Another set of convictions.

When are the politicians finally going to address this issue?

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By:
Injera
When: 09 Aug 17 15:33
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40879427

A gang of 18 people has been convicted of abusing girls who were plied with alcohol and drugs before being forced to have sex in Newcastle.

Abusers of Pakistani & Bangladeshi origin. Victims presumably white but this is not mentioned.
By:
bigmo
When: 09 Aug 17 15:51
They'll never address the problem.
By:
1st time poster
When: 09 Aug 17 16:21
ALLS NOT LOST FOR THE CONVICTED a chance 1 or 2 child rapists  might get employed on 10 grand a pop to help in future cases, Cry
By:
The Leopard
When: 09 Aug 17 16:35
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http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/15463300.Police_paid_a_convicted_child_rapist_almost___10_000_to_spy_on_suspected_under_age_drinking_and_sex_abuse_parties/


POLICE paid a convicted child rapist almost £10,000 to spy on parties where they suspected under-age girls would be intoxicated and sexually abused, a court heard.

He was recruited despite being a sex offender who had drugged an under-age girl and invited another man to rape her after he had done so, a court heard.

Years later, the man, who can only be identified by the media as XY, was tasked by Northumbria Police to assist their investigation into child sexual exploitation in Newcastle.

Subsequent trials which followed Operation Shelter, until now unreportable, have heard girls were groomed by men who gave them cannabis, alcohol and the designer drug Mkat at parties, then encouraged into having sex.

The startling information about XY came out during pre-trial hearings at Newcastle Crown Court which attempted but failed to halt prosecutions against a number of men accused of a range of serious offences including drug dealing and sexually abusing girls.

During proceedings which can only now be reported, more than 20 prosecution and defence barristers in wigs were in court arguing whether the cases of more than ten men should be thrown out.

Defending barristers argued that the public's confidence in the justice system would be undermined if the trials went ahead, given that the rapist XY had acted as an informant, formally known as a Covert Human Intelligence Source, or "CHIS".

Robin Patton, representing one of the defendants, said XY was paid £9,680 over 21 months by Northumbria Police for informing.

Mr Patton said XY was a "convicted child rapist who drugged a child and invited someone else to rape her after he had" and was subject to a suspended sentence when he was deployed by police in 2014.

Mr Patton said the confidence of the public in the administration of justice would be "substantially diminished" if they knew police had chosen "such an individual" to help their investigation into the exploitation and possible use of drugs by young people.

Mr Patton said police claimed they carried out a risk assessment, but that the "very next day" after he was recruited, XY was in court for a dishonesty offence.

After he was recruited, XY was arrested in September 2015 on suspicion of inciting sexual activity with a child after a teenage girl claimed a man approached her and made an indecent proposition.

The informant was later told he would face no action after he took part in an identity parade.

XY, who was on the Sex Offenders' Register, also failed to notify police he had moved house, Mr Patton said.

Mr Patton said: "I have tried to think of convictions that make him less suitable to act as a CHIS in an operation of this sort... I have not been able to."

David Hislop QC, representing another defendant, said XY had 13 previous convictions, including 26 offences of dishonesty.

During the legal submissions, XY gave evidence to the court and made a series of lurid allegations against the police, including claims of racism and that he was asked to plant drugs.

But Judge Penny Moreland rejected his evidence in its entirity, describing it as "inherently unreliable" and "clearly dishonest".

XY claimed he was recruited because he acted as an informal taxi driver for some of the defendants.

"I would get to know where they pick up their drugs, where the parties were," he said.

At another point, he claimed: "I was chilling with the boys. I had to make it look like I was their friend."

Giving evidence from behind a screen, and with the public gallery cleared, XY said he had been a paid informant for six or seven years.

He told the abuse of process hearing that police tasked him "to find out what was going on in the area, when parties were taking place, where there was criminal activity".

"There were certain individuals they were very interested in, which I was close to," he said.

Operation Shelter was part of a force-wide, bigger investigation known as Operation Sanctuary.

XY said: "When I worked for Sanctuary I actually believed I was doing good. I never, ever thought it was bad. I enjoyed it."

Police gave him a list of names, he said, "all Asian" and claimed a handler referred to "darkies".

During one trial at Newcastle Crown Court in 2015, he claimed he was encouraged by a police handler to listen in on private meetings between defendants and their legal representatives.

He claimed at one point to have discovered a barrister had a crucial DVD containing evidence, and when he mentioed it to his handlers he was given a "standing ovation".

As well as receiving money, police informants were given "texts" - secret letters that could be put before a judge if they were convicted of an offence to gain a more lenient sentence.

XY claimed he was told the text he would receive for the DVD information was "gold, silver, bronze... diamond" and that the text "comes from high up".

Judge Moreland turned down the abuse of process application, ordering that the trials of the defendants should not be thrown out.

She added: "I do not regard myself as bound to act on evidence which is so inherently unreliable, so lacking in credibility and in my view so clearly dishonest."

She also found that there was no evidence that XY was guilty of any sexual misconduct towards any complainants in the cases.

XY had told the court he went to one or two parties but left "because I knew what was coming, before it was coming".

It was understood XY did not give evidence in any of the Operation Sanctuary trials.

Jon Brown, of the NSPCC, said: "We are appalled to learn that police paid a child rapist and planted him in the midst of vulnerable young girls. You just couldn't make it up.

"It beggars belief that it would ever have been considered, let alone approved, and serious questions must be asked about the force's approach to child sexual exploitation operations.
By:
1st time poster
When: 09 Aug 17 16:40
mind you there was a Geordie policemen jailed last year for abusing his powers and raping prostitutes so they could have used him ,I suppose
By:
The Leopard
When: 09 Aug 17 16:44
They would have sussed he was a copper.
By:
alun2005
When: 09 Aug 17 16:55
Another day, another atrocity, and NOTHING beyond the immediate convictions will be done.

British girls continue to be at risk as never before from a particular type of pedophile, and Britain's authorities still refuse to join the dots.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 09 Aug 17 17:02
paying a child rapist 10k

me thinks those convicted will appeal Excited
By:
howard
When: 09 Aug 17 17:04
17 Asians 1 white woman
By:
1st time poster
When: 09 Aug 17 17:04
plenty of dots policemen named
Pakistani,s
Indians
bangledeshi,s
Syrians
irainians
Iraq,s
afghans
there all at it,and still the loons especialy snow flake white women want millions more to come
By:
saddo
When: 09 Aug 17 17:05
They do  Laugh
By:
xmoneyx
When: 09 Aug 17 17:07
I guess the likely lads is out of date,population newcastle
By:
alun2005
When: 09 Aug 17 17:09
I don't see many bonny lads amongst the convicted paedophiles.  No sign of a Bob Collier, Terry Ferris, Oz Gascoigne or even a Biffa Shearer anywhere.

Fingers crossed Newcastle will be saying Auf Wiedersehen to the abusers for a long time.
By:
howard
When: 09 Aug 17 17:11
I was there a year ago. Asked 10 people for directions. None of them geordies
By:
1st time poster
When: 09 Aug 17 17:15
GET CARTER, for asians
By:
The Leopard
When: 09 Aug 17 17:39
We need areas to be swooped and everyone to be checked by The Border Agency for illegal immigrants.

Way too many illegals !
By:
Poppydog.
When: 09 Aug 17 17:41
I've been in the car all day with BBC 5Live on. They have had this headlining news bulletins
and discussed this on programmes.

Only when I got home and looked online through Google News did I realise the group were all Asians.

Not one mention on the BBC for several hours.
By:
moisok
When: 09 Aug 17 18:03
same old same old

where are the defenders usually found around on here to castigate all you knuckle draggers  (so called)
By:
Poppydog.
When: 09 Aug 17 18:11
Eisa Mousavi, Mohammed Ali, Nashir Uddin, Monjur Choudhury,
Taherul Alam, Habibur Rahim, Badrul Hussain, Carolann Gallon,
Saiful Islam, AbdulHamid Minoyee, Prabhat Nelli,
Abdul Sabe, Jahanger Zaman, Nadeem Aslam, Mohammed Azram,
Yassar Hussain, Redwan Siddquee, Mohibur Rahman
By:
moisok
When: 09 Aug 17 18:16
You wonder where this attitude towards women comes from.  A very small example.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/09/iranian-children-arrested-for-teaching-zumba-and-western-dance-hijab
By:
alun2005
When: 09 Aug 17 18:17
It's usual in these cases that at least one convicted cretin (and their many UK defenders) comes forward and claims it's all been a WAAAAAY-CIST prosecution.

No doubt one or more of the Chit Chat Defenders of the Special Community will be working shifts to try and divert attention elsewhere.
By:
moisok
When: 09 Aug 17 18:21
where are the community leaders when we need them

or even the community workers??
By:
dr . atkins
When: 09 Aug 17 18:25
no it can't be muslims again can it
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 09 Aug 17 18:42
NEWCASTLE MON
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/britains-most-rejected-poet-lays-down-his-pen-711187.html

anyone remember Newcastle is my home, Andrew Tait. James Whale - late night.
good song.
By:
1st time poster
When: 09 Aug 17 19:00
said it a million times before and although the snowflakes wont have it anyone who manages to live their life without coming into contact with our immigrant friend has missed out on absolutely nothing,i count myself as one
By:
Crisp77
When: 09 Aug 17 19:07
Shocking stuff. I doubt the Geordie care system thought it could get any worse after that kid got blinded playing paintball. Sad
By:
Injera
When: 09 Aug 17 19:15
And so here it is, the chilling truth behind these attacks across Britain:

The court heard that one of the men convicted, 37-year-old Badrul Hussain, was heard telling a ticket collector on the Tyne and Wear Metro: 'All white women are good for one thing, for men like me to f*** and use as trash, that is all women like you are worth.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4775164/Police-paid-child-rapist-10k-spy-sex-parties.html

As clear an admission of institutional racism as you will EVER hear.

No doubt BBC, Sky etc will lead with this tonight and for the next few weeks .
By:
acquiesce12
When: 09 Aug 17 19:37
LOCK THEM UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY, THEYLL ALL BE PHUCKING LIVING IT UP IN PRISON THE DIRTY BAR STEWARDSAngryAngryAngry
By:
alun2005
When: 09 Aug 17 19:49
Has any UK 'Feminist' group come forward yet to unreservedly condemn these perverts, and call for effective action ?

Or are they still more bothered by David Cameron borrowing 'Calm down dear' at PMQs ?
By:
ufcdan
When: 09 Aug 17 20:04
17 Asians 1 white woman

Chanel 4 and the Guardian going to do a story on the white woman Mischief
By:
tobermory
When: 09 Aug 17 20:04
Other than prosecuting and jailing the perpetrators , what do people want done about it exactly Confused
By:
ufcdan
When: 09 Aug 17 20:04
Lilly Allen has just tweeted "How could she do such a thing"
By:
ufcdan
When: 09 Aug 17 20:06
Gary Lineker has just tweeted "She obviously led those lads on "
By:
moisok
When: 09 Aug 17 20:44
It goes very deep into the culture.  Check out the charity plan-co.uk and other similar charities.  Gives you an idea about the mind set.
By:
casemoney
When: 09 Aug 17 20:44
The Usual Suspects .Looks Like a few Assylum Seekers and mentally ill People bit of Child exploitation to cover the Tedium of unemployed hours,Leave the poor Luvvies alone,we need these types for the diversity of our Great Nation ..
By:
moisok
When: 09 Aug 17 20:45
whoops    plan-uk.org
By:
Just Checking
When: 09 Aug 17 22:08
Guy on BBC now just said "people shouldn't be telling the asian community how to live their lives".
Well actually *****ing yes, we'll tell anyone on this planet not to go drugging and grooming and r**ing girls and they'd better listen!!!

I caught a few minutes of c4 news, is the diversion tactic this time from the lefties going to be that a criminal shouldn't be paid to inform on a gang like this, rather than the core issue?
By:
badjoe
When: 09 Aug 17 23:05
If it's good enough for their prophet, it's demonstrably good enough for them it would seem . Aisha is apparently the most popular name given to Muslim girls. It's the people who died in the 1st and 2nd World Wars defending this country I feel most sorry for, I'am just glad they can't see the way our politicians have allowed this country to be raped by any Tom, Dick or Muhammad.
By:
akabula
When: 09 Aug 17 23:31
Not sure if it was the same guy JC, I was watching but got interrupted when my phone rang.
This guy brought Savile into the discussion in a bit of whataboutery. If it was the same guy he's a local councillor.
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