Dreadful Fire in London tower block!

Did they before?

The Home Office and police have made a promise of amnesty to illegal migrants who resided in the Grenfell Tower if they come forward to police. Many residents may also be given luxury flats  – whilst 7,000 UK veterans remain homeless.
The pledge of amnesty was made by the Home Office this week as many have expressed concern that illegal migrants living in the tower block may be afraid to come forward to authorities fearing potential deportation.

A Home Office spokesman said: “We will not use this tragic incident as a reason to carry out immigration checks on those involved and those providing information,” The Times reports.

A Home Office spokesman said: “We will not use this tragic incident as a reason to carry out immigration checks on those involved and those providing information,” The Times reports.

Why the hell not?!!!

When will this PC madness end? Just because you escaped a horrid fire why should you get permanent residency and obviously housing benefit for the forseeable future??

Encouraging illegals immigrants to sue us for millions, you couldn't make it up.

what are the home office implying

and is this why locals think the death toll is 150 (lily allen et al)

because the know you know nudge nudge

they   know you know

Turn a blind eye to illegals and fund a life in central London for em.

ufcdan
21 Jun 17 09:23

Still a nice part of London for me although I have to say I tend to frequent the more affluent end because of geography.



What did you get WD a B+ ?


I can't lie Dan,

Ashley I got an A for History and Geography! They didn't have A* back in the bay

terry mccann
21 Jun 17 09:47

b4 you boys show off to much, ashworth mansions,elgin ave,maida vale w.9
do you know of it?

I had a Roast Beef dinner ( Lunch ashley ) in the Trustcott Arms. Got my mate to pay £28 each! Know what I mean!

I frequent Paddington Rec on Saturdays Terry and then go to The Bowls or Tennis Club afterwards. London Pride and Sky Sports!

Lucky saddo doesn't live in Iraq or Syria. He looks a prime candidate to be a member of Is Is!

ive seen them come and go re Paddington rec, from teddy boys to rich russians

Kensington and Chelsea council chief executive quits (was pushed rather by Javid)  More will probably go, will this mean they couldn't be prosecuted?

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sixtyeight-flats-in-2bn-luxury-block-to-be-given-to-families-whose-lives-were-devastated-in-grenfell-a3569876.html#gallery

Todays Londoners love their diversity so this is great news for those who have paid upwards of 2 million for a place in that development, can get up close and personal now.

Local authority tenants involved in any future fires (happens weekly) will rightly ask "where's mine" anything else would be discriminatory.

confirmed the fire was started due to a faulty Hotpoint fridge freezer

I predict a fair bit of sub-letting will be going on.

Todays Londoners love their diversity so this is great news for those who have paid upwards of 2 million for a place in that development, can get up close and personal now.

Pmsfl The Luvvies will be delighted

LOL good Point Jack    .Another Point will be the Housing Benefit cap  how will the People be able to Pay their Rent ??

penthouses go for up to £13 million

Wish Lilly Allen owned one rather than her big house in Gloucestershire, I'm sure it's very diverse Ms Allen

Shanty town chic

Housing Minister ducking and diving on Victoria Derbyshire programme. Shameless, clueless spivs.

Spivs..........you've been hanging round anxious to long

maybe if the rabble had been prepared to listen instead of shouting down the minister they might have got some answers.

Derbyshire wasn't shouting and she couldn't get an answer from him.

Has one man ever looked good facing a rabble on live TV? Damned if he appeared, damned if he didn't, pathetic stuff from the beeb.

Seen a clip on lunchtime news the guy in the Arsenal strip was out of order,carrying on like that is not the British way

Well well well,what a surprise now saying the death toll won't be known till the end of the year,i never saw that coming
all will be forgotten...

If temperatures reached 1000°c in the towers and to cremate a human body the temperature has to between at least 760°c-982°c, it stands to reason it will take a long time to comb through every room and find fragments of any bone or tissue they can to ascertain the total amount of people that were killed in the fire, which is why they said they may never know.

Didn't take long to find 79 though and pick out 40 seperate people in one rooom surely that wouldv'e been an impossibility if there were no different traces,this was always going to happen predicted immediately the day after and so it came to pass..

The intesity of the fire would have been different at differnt parts of the building, lower down on one side for example there was little damange to the exterior, however smoke inhalation would have killed in the hallways and then there were those who jumped and died at the foot of the building and those that made it to hospital but no futher.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/grenfell-tower-fire-survivors-banned-fr...

https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/cheering-tory-mps-branded-apos-093404206.html

79 won't be enough for some of the extreme left, they based their hysteria and rage on hundreds, and they want hundreds. McDonnell is vile and dangerous.

The authorities reaction to this terrible tradegy has and still is appalling.

We need to sort this out. Housing is one of the biggest problems facing our people and it does not matter a jot if we an in the EU or out of it. Regaining our Sovereignty is one thing but taking back control of our country is another.

We are not here to provide the means for rich people to get richer at our expense. Maybot is giving away £1Billion of our tax payer money to shore up her shortcomings meanwhile who is going to pay for the neccessary safety repairs to many tower blocks?

We need homes and a decent health service. The emergency service workers who were visited by the Maybot will not be getting a pay rise of more than 1%.

I believe we shall see thie Grenfell tradegy used again and again as a catalyst for change. We are many they are few and we do not have to put up with it anymore!

Official numbers of those living at Grenfell have not been released. Nor has a figure been given for the number of survivors. Pretty damn odd if you ask me.

You can look on the Electoral Roll / Council Tax List for the Official Number of occupants to start. They need to be questioned if they actually lived there. If they did not who did? That would be my official starting point and then I would ask the residents

Anyone housing illegals in there will be wondering what to tell the authorities. They will probably not be on any register. We may never know how many lived there, never mind if they were rescued or perished.

Very true saddo, very true!

I can see where you are coming from " illegals "

Furthermore I am struck hom many muslims were housed there. How did they get that housing? I am not being funny but apart from the risk of death by fire those places are not bad to live in. Good sized rooms with great views. I know rents in that area can reach $500-£700 a week and more if in private property.

So I ask why do you assume they are illegals who burned to death? Why not ordinary people who just wanted to live close to where they worked? Maybe British citizens, God forbid maybe white folk? You can't really tell what colour they were after a fire of that intensity.

So why did you use the term " illegals " saddo?

Didn't May offer some sort of immunity to survivors? Some were fearful of their immigration status I bleieve.

Man arrested claiming members of his family were lost in Grenfell fire.
First of many?

and would you believe her Injera?

Must have been plenty of people subletting to make a buck. Some will focus on the fact that maybe they were " Foreign " some that maybe they were " Muslim ".

I would like to think that, lets remove Grenfell from the equation, I work, people I know work and they work hard. Why should they work hard when someone else gets their rent and council tax paid for them? I am not talking black or white or brown or muslim here.

Grenfell might have been a death trap but it was location location location! How could I have got one of those? Some might think why do immigrants and " Muslims " get " sheite property " and people no doubt many people on here will focus on that. Others like saddo and his ilk will focus on how " illegals and muslims " get properties. I would love a property in such a location but I would never be offered one because I work! Am I white, black, brown, muslim or Christian? I am just a guy who works for a living ( well ashley I work to save me from betfair ). Many young men I work with will never have a chance to own their own home. That is truly sad in a great country like ours!

earlier news today....the judge heading the inquiry is 'doubtful' that the enquiry will be wide ranging! Sir Martin Moore-Bick says it may be limited to the cause, how it spread and preventing a future blaze.

Yes, it gives the impression of sweeping under the carpet. Should have been an inquest not an enquiry and as the judge has stated he will not consider why the tenants numerous complaints and fears were ignored.

Exactly cooperman, an inquest would 'catch out' too many, hence the almost immediate 'public enquiry' statement from May, maybe social media (if mobilised) will force their hand.?

Shirley there mus be an inquest/inquests?

The people must endeavour to have a wide ranging probe in this inquiry or not bother. Labour should promise a wide ranging probe should they be elected.

Muslim, Christian, other! it doesn't matter, they were people who suffered a horrible death, nobody should suffer what those poor souls went through.

Jun 29, 2017 -- 12:36PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:

Shirley there mus be an inquest/inquests?The people must endeavour to have a wide ranging probe in this inquiry or not bother. Labour should promise a wide ranging probe should they be elected.

From the Independant...

The scope of most inquests is limited, but they can have a wider frame of reference if Article 2 of the European Convention on Human Rights is invoked. Article 2 inquests are held when public bodies or “their agents” have “failed to protect the deceased against a human threat or other risk”.

An inquest into the deaths in the Grenfell Tower fire would likely fall into this category. The coroner would be almost certain to summon a jury to return a verdict due to the involvement of public bodies.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/what-is-an-inquest-different-public-inquiry-grenfell-tower-victims-a7794661.html

nice one foxy loxy!

Interesting article.

To me it seems like an Inquiry can lead to a whitewash due to a narrow frame of reference and time taken to produce " thorough " investigation!. While there are problems with an inquest I think it might be more honest as it might not aportion blame but indicate there was some. I just hope the Police do their job properly!

The judge was very quick to let us know that this is probably how it will go, perhaps testing reaction to see if he/they can get away with such narrow terms of reference.??

The Inquiry will cost more than it would have cost to fit sprinklers. Possible more than it would cost to fit sprinklers in a huge number of tower blocks. Why not save the money and fit sprinklers? Oh thats right we do not have the money but we do have the money to pay and Judge and the Inquiry team possibly millions? how does that work?

We are many they are few. Stop believing the lies. Take our Country back!

"We are many they are few. Stop believing the lies. Take our Country back!" I hope some social media savvy peeps do just that!.

I notice that the Councils attempt to hold a meeting in secret, excluding the press and the people they represent, which in itself is despicable, has failed due to a high court order. What did this shining example of democracy do when it was pointed out that press were in fact present? They closed the meeting and walked out. It's time someone sacked the lot of them and put someone in charge who knows what they're doing.

cooperman, Their modus operandi is straight out of the House of Borgia handbook.

Good call cooperman!

Time to rise like Lions Foxy!

This probably is not our time and we will be beaten down but I sincerely believe people have started thinking why they are here and what is happiness. I also think some are starting to realise we are not here to serve the rich!

it's easier to plait sand than to get a straight answer from council officials.

Whisperingdeath, I believe you're right, the  cat is finally out of the bag and social media (despite it's many faults) is one of the key reasons.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4652012/Kensington-council-s-Grenfel...

Very interesting cooperman.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/chaos-as-kensington-and-chelsea-council-scraps-grenfell-tower-meeting-amid-furious-protests-a3576391.html


You couldn't make it up.

You couldn't make it up, but they will, they will squirm, lie and do everything they can to cover their asses, but thankfully we are not in the 80s now, even though their mindset appears stuck there. They just don't get it.

I wish you would all stop moaning. These council persons know what is best. The majority who voted them in want to keep the place looking nice. That was how this started wasn't it? Making the place look tidy and an Ethiopian's fridge caught fire?  The council cabinet are just tidying everything up in line with their manifesto.
How did that one work out?

didn't the leader blame the tenants in a Mirror paper article/interview?

Could be Dozens of unregistered Imagine Sub renting for what ever reason Surviving that and you cant say anything

Well, well, well, who would have thought this might happen?


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https://uk.yahoo.com/news/fake-grenfell-victim-held-suspicion-fraud-155600659.html

The main culprit is the outdated one size fits all Class 0 spread of flame model, it allows company's to meet minimum standards as long as the surface can get by this regulation never mind what combustibility lies behind it!.

Ironic that an American company manufactured these panels that are banned in America, have the manufactures got blood on their hands, I'll let you make your own mind up on that one.

Laboratory type testing conditions can never mimic the real thing so if they are to be relied on this will occur again in some other form.

I'm sure 'they' will say we have perfectly good fire regs that just need proper application, WE DON'T.
The company I worked for conducted far more rigorous tests on their products than was required, because we considered the regs to be fatally flawed/weak. We were awarded a 4 hr rating on our products, our own tests only stopped after we had surpassed 4 hrs easily and the product retained it's integrity. and was still providing  vital cover.

the american company has withdrawn the product from sale a week or so after the fire

i guess sales were down anyway

Correct Donny the product was totally exposed for what it was and the previous deaths it had caused.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/grenfell-tower-cladding-changed-save-cash-reports-...

Cladding switched to save £300,000 of course lets not make it political no no,bad taste fcuk off!!

So the leader of the Council has 'stepped down' and not before time. Is he going to be allowed to do a Lord Lucan or will he have to answer for his incompetence?

I wonder what Cause this 300 K was Directed to ?

all pointless speculation till the fire service inquiry says that the more expensive cladding wouldn't have reacted the same way under the conditions of that evening,oxygen flow, air gaps, insulation etc all likely to have played a greater part than the actual cladding

The sheer arrogance of these councillors is unbelievable.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/tory-councillor-says-court-order-093502531.html

they simply do not get it, do they.   The leader, in a Mirror interview,early on, actually accused the tenants to begin with!!!

Yep the leader said he was 'stepping aside' because of 'perceived failings' and now Councillor Catherine Faulks has called the fact that the public and press wanted to scrutinise the council meeting as a 'stunt'.

i agree ,until we have better housing we should not take any more immigrants,they desrerve so much better than we can offer sadly

No council, and certainly no landlord ever admits guilt. They're trained not to.

It's a blight on us all. No transparency, always covering their ars*s.

Will the former Ciouncil leader be paid for his services to the Public Inquiry?

Now we've got hospital patients at risk through being clad in the same way as Grenfell wtf is going on in our green and pleasant land.

Whatever it is cooperman its been going on a long time under ALL political parties

Probably going to open up myself for a torrent of abuse but this place is for opinions so here's mine ! Personally I'm getting fed up hearing about the surviving tenants of Grenfell towers. They have been offered housing by the government which many have turned down for some pretty lame excuses. One was where they were offered a place "It was on a busy street" ffs your living in central London what do you expect then there was one on telly this morning with his daughter saying he did not take up the offer as it was a mile away from his daughters school ! During my youth I had many schools due to the family constantly moving so that my step father could pursue his career, I can't recall one school being within a one mile radius of where we lived. I feel so sad for the people who died in such a horrific way and for their surviving family members knowing that their loved one passing was in such terrible circumstances. However I feel that some of this is more about the compensation culture that has been created in this country.

down to the government again i,m afraid, who in their right mind is going to agree to a move when the government told the whole world theres going to be 70 2 million flats made available in a few months,of course these people backed up by lawyers .public opinion etc are going to milk this for all its worth,if any of these people had money 99.9% of it would be in a bank account not burned in a fire yet 3 weeks later they still go on about needing money,why do we assume that in any disaster that the people involved need access to millions of pounds

What amazes me is that they have been offered housing at all ! If the local authorities/government can come up with over a hundred houses all of a sudden. Why is there a housing shortage

At the very least they should be offered housing rent-free in perpetuity. I would go further and suggest they should be given full ownership of said properties.

Everyone involved in an accident should get lifetime everything they want, or just this lot?

ufcdan
05 Jul 17 09:43
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Probably going to open up myself for a torrent of abuse but this place is for opinions so here's mine ! Personally I'm getting fed up hearing about the surviving tenants of Grenfell towers. They have been offered housing by the government which many have turned down for some pretty lame excuses. One was where they were offered a place "It was on a busy street" ffs your living in central London what do you expect then there was one on telly this morning with his daughter saying he did not take up the offer as it was a mile away from his daughters school ! During my youth I had many schools due to the family constantly moving so that my step father could pursue his career, I can't recall one school being within a one mile radius of where we lived. I feel so sad for the people who died in such a horrific way and for their surviving family members knowing that their loved one passing was in such terrible circumstances. However I feel that some of this is more about the compensation culture that has been created in this country.

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This raises a wider social issue.

Those people who are not fortunate enough to get social housing have very little security in their private rentals. They might get a year contract but most are 6 months or run month to month with the constant fear of being moved on.

Then you have people in social housing demanding long-term security and right to stay in very expensive areas they could not afford on the open market. They also have the right to buy which private renter obviously do not. It seems very unfair on the private renters who pay market rent and taxes that subsidize social housing.

survivors/displaced making demands like they have hostages ,is it true they want UK citizenship for everyone including illegals ?          would a dangerous path to go down imo

87 human remains found in the tower.

must be way over 200 dead in truth

just read in the mail everyone one of the shards 50 million pound apartments has remained empty for 5 years because luxury buyers don't want to live south of the river.maybe corbyn,s not as mad as he sounds

you,d have thought these property experts,developers might have thought about this before building them

Can't blame them - how would they get home from the West End after midnight?

Shard maybe south of the river, but it's just about south of the river, I mean literally less than 5 minutes til the bridge, and London Bridge at that. strange if that's the case.

when your paying 50 million postcode is obviously everything

Good Lord Maud

It is near Elephant and Castle for gads sake. Who would want to live there!

Well that's a surprise.............

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/fraud-squad-probe-into-grenfell-tower-fire-alarms-firm-a3579206.html

how will the council wriggle out of this one?  After having a nice chat straight after the fire. You know. nudge nudge - with the contractors - just to cover every aspect - nudge nudge

Follow the money, who are the shareholders of this company and who gave then the contract, check the bank accounts of all concerned. We can do that for terrorist offences so why not this?

We're all in it together.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/victorian-ailments-rickets-tb-wealthy-011555429.html