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digdeep
13 Jun 17 02:45
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I'll kick off with the Chinese

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By:
Tommy Toes
When: 13 Jun 17 05:59
Probably 99.9% of all of them, overall.

I really can't believe how people can ever discriminate against...people.

We're born as a totally random chance to whoever has borne us.

Does that escape most people?
I rather think it does.

Do they think that THEY chose to be the child of their parents/culture/creed/colour/nationality?

Well, if it's escaped them - no they didn't.
Their life was a totally random chance.

Yes. Think about it.

They're blessed that they've been born in a democratic land, if they've been born here, where decency and democracy are taken as a given.

It really isn't like that in most countries.

Most immigrants who come here seek a better life - and Britain is known for fairness, decency and kindness.

That's all most good people aspire to in their state of being - and so should it.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Jun 17 08:43
How a country is viewed by the rest of the world can change surprisingly quickly. When the people of a country changes, in very large numbers, the people don't change, the country changes.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Jun 17 08:49
you see what tommy toes says is wrong, we are not born as a totally random chance.
We are born into a certain time and place, if what he was saying was true it wouldn`t matter where we were born, and who we were born to.
But it does.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Jun 17 08:55
He says that we are blessed to have been born into a democratic land, as if this came about by magic.
And then goes on to say that most of the world is not like that.
Without stopping to ask himself why.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Jun 17 09:18
can you have democracy and freedom and at the same time have different people, with different cultures and beliefs?
no, it is impossible.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Jun 17 09:23
why? because democracy merely means the freedom from other people and their overwhelming will.
How can that be achieved without people believing in the same basic things and principles.
And is this the case in Britain today ?, certainly not.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 13 Jun 17 09:28
you ok hun?
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Jun 17 09:30
only by becoming separate is their progress and peace, this is the history of the world.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Jun 17 09:31
if it wasn`t, then there would not be different races and different cultures.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Jun 17 09:33
ask why, after many thousands of years of history people are so very different, not the same.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Jun 17 09:37
Isn`t it a miracle that everyones face is different.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Jun 17 09:47
you would think that we would run out off different faces.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Jun 17 09:51
how interesting, uninteresting things can become.
By:
Foinavon
When: 13 Jun 17 10:35
Is our time and place of birth random - yes
Are we lucky to live in a place where democracy and decency prevail - yes
Can democracy and our ideas of decency be compromised by a vociferous minority with alternative views - yes.
By:
Platini
When: 13 Jun 17 13:15
The Poles
The Indians
The Bangladeshis
The Irish
The Germans
The Romanians
The South Africans
The Italians
The French
The Spanish
The Portuguese
The Lithuanians
The Bulgarians

and loads of others who come from peace-loving and tolerant cultures.

They all integrate well into British society because they share most of our values.

They are all welcome Cool
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 14 Jun 17 03:45
lfc1971    13 Jun 17 08:49 

"you see what tommy toes says is wrong, we are not born as a totally random chance.
We are born into a certain time and place, if what he was saying was true it wouldn`t matter where we were born, and who we were born to.
But it does."

lfc1971, do you really believe each and every one of us are not born entirely by random chance?

Do you think there's a great big ante-natal unit somewhere in the sky where all babies about to be born are planning which parents, colour, creed and nationality they'll belong to?

Did you ever as a child think to yourself "Thank God they aren't my parents" or "I'm glad I wasn't born there" when you saw something on tv?

Well, it could just as easily have been the fact.

Random is random.

We don't choose.
By:
PatraTheCat
When: 14 Jun 17 04:07
Tommy is clearly right about the random thing btw. Not sure how you can really argue with it without turning to reincarnation or some rather contrived version of theism or something.
By:
Breedingmad
When: 14 Jun 17 05:39
You have to agree unless you are lacking in a certain department..
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 14 Jun 17 09:23
Lots of Chinese in docklands area
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 14 Jun 17 09:56
Don't forget the Ukrainians, please. We did give you Big Cliff Lazarenko.
By:
stickyvicky
When: 14 Jun 17 10:32
Chinese Triad gangs hold enormous control over Chinese immigrants which goes virtually unreported to the local Plod.
Extortion, kidnapping, prostitution, protection money rackets, money laundering, human trafficking, beatings within their own communities are never reported out of fear from their own.
By:
lfc1971
When: 14 Jun 17 10:37
Tommy Toes

You couldn't have been born in a different country, and neither could I or anyone else.
So in that sense it isn't random . As we were talking about immigration that was my point.

It wasn't random the way countries came to be. Our forefathers died for our freedom, they worked hard to provide a safe and free country, are we fortunate? yes, but it is not random

There is nothing random about being born to particular parents in a particular country. It is the only way you could have been born.
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 14 Jun 17 10:42
lfc1971:

We could have been born at anytime to anyone in any country.

Do you really not see that?
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 14 Jun 17 10:47
Chinese I'm taking about ain't been near the traided

There offspring of very rich industrial magnets

That brought up 1000 posh pads rd docklands

Chinese might even own large chucks of that area anyway
By:
lfc1971
When: 14 Jun 17 10:47
Yes I understand that people can be born everywhere, but individuals can not. They have to be born in one place only.
By:
lfc1971
When: 14 Jun 17 10:49
Are people the same everywhere? no you cannot even say that.
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 14 Jun 17 10:49
It's pointless trying to discuss this with you.

My ghast is flabbered.
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 14 Jun 17 10:50
You could of been born in some muddie hut
Somewhere thank your lucky stars for that
By:
lfc1971
When: 14 Jun 17 10:51
That would not have been me, that would have been someone else.
By:
lfc1971
When: 14 Jun 17 11:00
Now if you accept that individuals can be born in only one place, and not anywhere.
Then it must follow that where you are born is not random, it is the opposite of random .
It is very specific.
By:
Breedingmad
When: 14 Jun 17 11:12
So where you are born is not random?, please explain how you can pick your birth place?
By:
saddo
When: 14 Jun 17 11:14
A few miles from me is a dump called Ravensthorpe. It was colonised and almost wholely populated by Pakistanis in the 70s.
The Blair stampede started a rapid influx of East European/Balkan people, including a lot of troublesome Albanians and Romanians.
There were riots against the newcomers after a while and the area is once again mainly Pakistani. A part of England being warred over by different groups of foreigners. Sad
By:
lfc1971
When: 14 Jun 17 11:19
It's not a question of picking where you are born, after all no one chooses to be born it just happens.
No one knows why : )
By:
lfc1971
When: 14 Jun 17 11:23
you see you can't be born in China and have red hair, it's impossible ?
By:
Breedingmad
When: 14 Jun 17 11:24
Tying yourself in knots ,just explain how where you are born is not random but specific as you stated?
By:
lfc1971
When: 14 Jun 17 11:24
I know someone who lives in China, and he has red hair.
By:
lfc1971
When: 14 Jun 17 11:25
read it again breedingmad , I don't think you understand.
By:
Breedingmad
When: 14 Jun 17 11:28
you see you can't be born in China and have red hair, it's impossible ?

No it's very possible unfortunately for your lame statement.
By:
Breedingmad
When: 14 Jun 17 11:29
Where did you pick to be born?
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