Immigrants that have caused very little trouble since they have been here

how interesting, uninteresting things can become.

Is our time and place of birth random - yes
Are we lucky to live in a place where democracy and decency prevail - yes
Can democracy and our ideas of decency be compromised by a vociferous minority with alternative views - yes.

The Poles
The Indians
The Bangladeshis
The Irish
The Germans
The Romanians
The South Africans
The Italians
The French
The Spanish
The Portuguese
The Lithuanians
The Bulgarians

and loads of others who come from peace-loving and tolerant cultures.

They all integrate well into British society because they share most of our values.

They are all welcome

lfc1971    13 Jun 17 08:49 

"you see what tommy toes says is wrong, we are not born as a totally random chance.
We are born into a certain time and place, if what he was saying was true it wouldn`t matter where we were born, and who we were born to.
But it does."

lfc1971, do you really believe each and every one of us are not born entirely by random chance?

Do you think there's a great big ante-natal unit somewhere in the sky where all babies about to be born are planning which parents, colour, creed and nationality they'll belong to?

Did you ever as a child think to yourself "Thank God they aren't my parents" or "I'm glad I wasn't born there" when you saw something on tv?

Well, it could just as easily have been the fact.

Random is random.

We don't choose.

Tommy is clearly right about the random thing btw. Not sure how you can really argue with it without turning to reincarnation or some rather contrived version of theism or something.

You have to agree unless you are lacking in a certain department..

Lots of Chinese in docklands area

Don't forget the Ukrainians, please. We did give you Big Cliff Lazarenko.

Chinese Triad gangs hold enormous control over Chinese immigrants which goes virtually unreported to the local Plod.
Extortion, kidnapping, prostitution, protection money rackets, money laundering, human trafficking, beatings within their own communities are never reported out of fear from their own.

Tommy Toes

You couldn't have been born in a different country, and neither could I or anyone else.
So in that sense it isn't random . As we were talking about immigration that was my point.

It wasn't random the way countries came to be. Our forefathers died for our freedom, they worked hard to provide a safe and free country, are we fortunate? yes, but it is not random

There is nothing random about being born to particular parents in a particular country. It is the only way you could have been born.

lfc1971:

We could have been born at anytime to anyone in any country.

Do you really not see that?

Chinese I'm taking about ain't been near the traided

There offspring of very rich industrial magnets

That brought up 1000 posh pads rd docklands

Chinese might even own large chucks of that area anyway

Yes I understand that people can be born everywhere, but individuals can not. They have to be born in one place only.

Are people the same everywhere? no you cannot even say that.

It's pointless trying to discuss this with you.

My ghast is flabbered.

You could of been born in some muddie hut
Somewhere thank your lucky stars for that

That would not have been me, that would have been someone else.

Now if you accept that individuals can be born in only one place, and not anywhere.
Then it must follow that where you are born is not random, it is the opposite of random .
It is very specific.

So where you are born is not random?, please explain how you can pick your birth place?

A few miles from me is a dump called Ravensthorpe. It was colonised and almost wholely populated by Pakistanis in the 70s.
The Blair stampede started a rapid influx of East European/Balkan people, including a lot of troublesome Albanians and Romanians.
There were riots against the newcomers after a while and the area is once again mainly Pakistani. A part of England being warred over by different groups of foreigners.

It's not a question of picking where you are born, after all no one chooses to be born it just happens.
No one knows why : )

you see you can't be born in China and have red hair, it's impossible ?

Tying yourself in knots ,just explain how where you are born is not random but specific as you stated?

I know someone who lives in China, and he has red hair.

read it again breedingmad , I don't think you understand.

you see you can't be born in China and have red hair, it's impossible ?

No it's very possible unfortunately for your lame statement.

Where did you pick to be born?

Why do we have Chinese people ? I don't know.

If you didn't pick a place of birth it must be random..

enoch was right ...rivers of blood

I am glad we do have Chinese people.

What are Chinese people ? I don't know.
But it is nice that they are who they are, and look the way they look
I like that .

Triads are extremely localised (and lets face it very small in number) and don't affect the general public. There's no religion or ideology behind anything they do, its just a bunch of criminals motivated by money.
There are criminals from every nation, what about the Romanian pick pocket gangs ?  They're petty criminals, but do they pose a major threat to our society?  NO, of course not.
You can't compare a few pesky ants with hordes of elephants.

If where you where born was random I would expect that the people in China would be random.
no they are not random, they are surprisingly specific.

i fear the vast majority of chinese people in the UK do nut fully integrate into UK society

The Chinese may end up having to take on Islam one day, after the rest of us have given up. The world needs them.

The Chinese I know are great they have always been very friendly towards me and
never have any problems integrating with the people round here in Leeds.

could tommy Toes have been born in China ? certainly not !

I will have a Canadian lady of Hong Kong Chinese descent here this week BM. She is quite scathing of mainland Chinese. I'm sure she would be called a racist in this country.

I don't get into racist gossip so wouldn't know who dislikes who,
always a divisive and unproductive pursuit.

The Chinese and the Japanese (in particular) don't take any sh.1.t from immigrants - they don't do self-loathing and virtue-signalling guilt for the sins of previous generations.

Breedingmad    14 Jun 17 12:08 
I don't get into racist gossip so wouldn't know who dislikes who,



Lots of people don't like others, burying your head and hoping it will go away won't change that.

So talk about who you hate because they aren't identical to you try reinforce divisions
seems sensible to some but doesn't achieve anything positive for society.

Blindly waiting for Islam to take over this country will only be seen as positive by Islamics. Where are the positives for the current majority?

You could have come up with the same arguments when Catholic Irish came to England big families only a matter of
time blah blah blah ..spread fear and loathing..The U.K. will never become a Muslim Country no matter how loud you shout.

They double in number every 10 years. Did you ever do maths?

They double in number every 10 years. Did you ever do maths?

It doesn't work like you want it to there are lies damned lies and statistics.

It's the Guardian who said they double every ten years, lying iyo?

The Muslim population rose by about 75% in England & Wales between 2001 and 2011 (census years!). Source - The Independent. I am not sure what the rate of increase of the percentage of the population that is Muslim was but it will be easily available on the Census stats.

I think the Guardian piece was 2015, the pace has probably quickened over the intervening 4 years.

Just because your car is accelerating doesn't mean it will reach 300 mph..

One of you more fanciful analogies, but, if you keep doubling the engine size it would.

Just admit Saddo you don't like anyone dissimilar to yourself.You just can't accept we are all Human Beings.

Diversion BM, you don't know who I like. Do you argue with the maths though? 4 million now = 64 million in 2057. Won't bother you, I know, but my daughter will still be around.

But not are all 'civilised' human beings, there is a difference

It is the fact that we are born and not invented that means we cannot be born anywhere, we must be born somewhere.
If we were in invented , then yes, we could be invented anywhere.

Would I prefer to have been invented ? rather than born .
I don't know, I think I may have preferred to have been invented .

Doesn't work like that due to changing rates of immigration.If the turmoil in the Middle East stopped
then numbers would dwindle.

What have you been smoking lfc1971?

Tthe Pakistanis will go nowhere, BM. Each one can import a spouse, average 4 kids, each one can become 6 in a few years. Do you doubt this goes on?

Islam isn't a race. It's an ideology.

It's not a matter of disliking Islam because a lot of its followers look different, or because their ancestors were born elsewhere. It's a matter of disagreeing with an ideology.

Otherwise you would have to argue that disliking Nazis is racist, because most of its followers were Germans and Austrians.

Put it this way. If certain radical preachers were white and wore a swastika while demanding the destruction of all Jews, rather than being dark-skinned and wearing pyjamas, would they be allowed to continue?

Numbers would dwindle if there neighbouring safe mulsim brotherhood countries excepted these refugees, like Saudi Arabia, Morrocco Algeria Tunisia, UEA, Kuwait etc. Saudi Arabia has a fully equipped tented village outside Mecca all air conditioned tents that can cater for 100,000 people easily, which is only used during Ramadam month. Saudi Arabia hasn't excepted any Syrian refugees so far since conflict started.

MAD would tell you black was white - a good solid defender of the true faith - or so we are told

a steady slow takeover is moving forward.

Saddo - where does the 4m come form.  2011 census shows 2.7m (2,8 including Scotland and NI). The Daily Mail reported in 2016 that ONS report that the number had reached 3m. I doubt the DM would underestimate.

Germany will  be a Muslim country within a couple of generations if present demographics continue.

That would be a disaster.

Islam is designed to spread around the world, stickyvicky. Pointless taking coals to Newcastle. The Suadi's, instead, build free mosques in any European country that takes em. They have offered loads of mosques to Germany, I don't know if they accepted the offer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mina,_Saudi_Arabia

Correction, it's 100,000 air-conditioned tents which can cater for '3 million' people.

Millions will be if Turkish descent, Europe will have a country if 80 million Muslims in Turkey on its border, with links to a German population , the largest country in Europe .
Who will Germany favour in case of war in Europe ? or from Europes borders

I am assured that the many uncounted illegals can still procreate, blackbarn. Maybe less than I said though, fair enough. At 3 million we'll only have 48 million in 2057, that will be a relief to my grandchildren.

Christianity.. wonder where that came from?

ah !!!  the liberal thought has it they will eventually adopt western culture and there will be a steep decline in birth rate

good luck with that one

then add the hundreds of thousands coming here every year through various means

how about the million and half illegals  ha ha!!!

Be thankful for Christianity , look at the teachings and life of Christ.  and look at the teachings and life of Muhammad

Do you worry about the maths, or prefer the easier "ignore it til I die, won't affect me" approach, BM?

Sorry I don't wish to follow any religion thanks...

Now that is where Christianity came from, and before stretching back to the freedoms and ideals of Ancient Greece and European civilisation.
If you don't understand this you are a fool.

mad will try anything to confuse the issue - it is the standard tactic of his sort

instead of concentrating on the main problem

It's interesting, these beautiful ideas of freedom and human liberties , do you know they hadn't been thought of before .
Out of all people only a few, a handful of people in Ancient Greece had these thoughts .
Why in that place, why and how did these few people change the world .
No one knows.

Jeez, how many times do we have to listen to this retarded comparison with other religions? 

No Catholics, or any other Christians, or Hindus, or Jews, or any other religion you can think of is going round bombing the sh.1t out of civilians or inspiring individuals to go on the rampage mowing people down with trucks, vans,cars or slitting peoples throats or beheading them in the streets. There is no comparison, absolutely none.

So the Crusades never happened?

So the Crusades never happened?

Poor wifi

Poor wifi

Just going to have a double..

whatever happened during the crusades doesn't bother me, I insist on being unbothered by that.

Bm is more concerned with what happened a thousand years ago, than what will happen in the next 50.

The difference is we have had a 'Reformation' they have not.

what always puzzles me is why a 3rd generation british pakistani wants to go and fight in syria

since when has that had any relation to someone living in bradford and family originate from pakistan?

They (generation) did not have the imported hate preachers imams, Mosques (Esp Saudi funded) stirring them up, plus we had not destroyed Iraq, Libya, and Syria, etc, etc.

First Generation*

What about the Somalians ?

Well, what about Somalians????????????

Aha there it is, "the Crusades" response. Zzzzz      BM, history not your strong point I take it?

Muslims had been massacring Christians way way before that -  in fact more than 450 years before the Pope declared the First Crusade.

In any case, WTF has religious battles that took place a thousand years ago got to do with today ?  Mankind has moved on, way way on. All but one group, that is.

you would think that we would run out off different faces.

That is very Interesting Point When you Think about

No Catholics, or any other Christians  ???

Erm !!  The Ira ??

The Brtish and Americans have killed plenty of Civillians it what they call Wars ..

you would think that we would run out off different faces.

He said it so casually but it freaks me out everytime i read it,

IRA ?   Remind me again about the Irish caliphate / world domination objective and slaughtering of all non-catholics, enslavery and oppression of Irish women, and demand for Sh-IRA law in towns nowhere near Ireland.   I must have missed that bit

No Catholics, or any other Christians, or Hindus, or Jews, or any other religion you can think of is going round bombing the sh.1t out of civilians.

Was just pointing out that Part was Wrong Plat ,Infact what about the Unabomber he was complete Nutter with a cause

the ANTI GAY guy who blew up the Pubs ??  There are Loads

Casemoney, you are equating Harold Shipman with Hiltler/Pol Pot/Stalin etc   Its a question of scale. There is no comparison. Don't you see that ?