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By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 16:25
enlighten us injera, who`s pulling the strings
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 16:25
enlighten us injera, who`s pulling the strings
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 16:28
it will be the weapon manufactures, or the illuminati , or the jewish conspiracy, ...
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 16:32
All sorts of fantasies, look we don`t need to see anything out of the ordinary.
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 16:37
I don`t know what is happening, neither it seems do you. There is little point in making
things up.
By:
Injera
When: 24 May 17 16:41
lfc I've tried to understand poby's question for years. Why do Govts seek suicide which Islam inevitably brings?

Are they thick? Impossible for Merkel to be as stupid as to allow a million, mostly male Muslims into Germany. So what's behind it?

I'll go into Jewish mode and answer with questions.

Why did Pharoah want all Jewish babies killed at the time of Moses? Why did Herod do the same when Jesus came? Why the genocide of Christians by the Russians, the Chinese, and more latterly the Islamic world and North Korea?

It's not man made, it's way beyond that. It's too incredible for Europe to be THIS suicidal.

The Judeao - Christian heritage has shaped the world for good (largely) and it faces extinction. It's always faced extinction. There's nothing new in this.
By:
moisok
When: 24 May 17 16:42
sorry to butt in
but I know where most of the trouble is coming from
a bit like looking at a large ants nest
most is hidden
but a few come out and bite you if you hang around
By:
moisok
When: 24 May 17 16:47
sorry that is regards the UK.

re europe AND  the uk  - a friend of mine doesn't mince his words

Ref politicians and the civil service too    -    he says they are all idiots!!!
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 16:50
I`ll give that some thought injeraHappy
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 16:51
I haven't been able to answer any of those questions off the top of my head :)
By:
Injera
When: 24 May 17 16:58
Can't say I have pal!

The Romans tried, multiple dictators tried, the Catholics of course tried many times (and have since undergone huge reform) the Nazis tried, Communism tried and now it's Islam's turn.

Protestant Christendom and the Jews are still here thank God.
By:
Poby
When: 24 May 17 17:09

May 24, 2017 -- 1:47PM, Dr Crippen wrote:


Why do the government and establishment pander to radical Islam?Stop right there and think about that?Didn't Western leader know what they were importing? I'm sure they did?Examine the cheering on of America to start Middle Eastern wars, thus creating millions of refugees, migrants and then the willingness of the EU to accept these people so readily in any numbers.   Is this part of somebody's plan to destroy the West? Is there an enemy within to ensure that it works? Because if there is, it's working out perfectly.


It's different though isn't it? An influx of refugees was allowed for either a) humanitarian reasons or b) as a workforce.

There was a large influx of migrants post war - Irish, black, Indian. They all had to abide by the laws of the land.

There does now seem to be policy of "appeasement" with radical Muslims or is that just my perception from what we are fed by the media and it's not the case at all? Is it just apathy and I'm reading more into it that there is.

I cannot understand why this is or would be the case.

It can't be to "smash" Christendom as someone has suggested above. England is hardly a hotbed of Christianity, you don't need to smash what isn't there. people in the country.

By:
saddo
When: 24 May 17 17:17
Poby    24 May 17 17:09 
There was a large influx of migrants post war - Irish, black, Indian. They all had to abide by the laws of the land.




Correct, the Muslims however, have been allowed much leeway by the law and successive governments. This allowed Rochdale, Oldham, Rotherham and all the other rape outrages to carry on unchallenged, despite police and officials knowing it was happening.
By:
Injera
When: 24 May 17 17:20
Poby - Christendopm and with it the tolerance of other faiths and none is under threat.

So too the justice/legal system, education, of course family law and womens' rights.

Many institutions we take for granted here have their roots in the Jewish/Christian heritage.

I don't advise it, but spend a few weeks in Pakistan to see the difference!
By:
Injera
When: 24 May 17 17:22
Another homeless man, Chris Parker, was begging in the stadium foyer when he heard the explosion. He described in graphic detail cradling a young girl who had been separated from her parents and lost both her legs in the blast. - Daily Mail

FFs..
By:
Poby
When: 24 May 17 17:26

May 24, 2017 -- 5:17PM, saddo wrote:


Poby    24 May 17 17:09  There was a large influx of migrants post war - Irish, black, Indian. They all had to abide by the laws of the land.Correct, the Muslims however, have been allowed much leeway by the law and successive governments. This allowed Rochdale, Oldham, Rotherham and all the other rape outrages to carry on unchallenged, despite police and officials knowing it was happening.


But why? Why on earth would leeway be given to Muslims?

By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 17:38
I ' ll give a little clue, the Irish Catholics, and Protestants were the same as us and believed in the same things and the same way of life basically .
That goes a long way.
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 17:41
We didn't have to give leeway to the Irish people or anything in the way of culture and religion or even politics ,
They were the same.
By:
saddo
When: 24 May 17 17:48
Why indeed, poby. Undeniable nonetheless, and probably unretrievable. Our kids will live with the consequences.
By:
moisok
When: 24 May 17 17:57
Burnham pounding the message home about extremists on both sides - some muslim (ooops hurriedly says they don't represent the muslim community) then on the other side(??) and we must sweep them aside.   Can anyone name me any of these right wing organisations in this country that equates to the muslim daesh?? You know. Like those who have blown 70 people to bits or support mowing down people in westminster and stab coppers?? 
Do help me out here please.
By:
saddo
When: 24 May 17 18:01
"We will not be beaten blah blah". Aye, we've got the army on the streets today, curfews next
By:
saddo
When: 24 May 17 18:02
?
By:
Injera
When: 24 May 17 18:03
No honesty Saddo. Our kids were brutalised. Decapitated. We lost.

And the response is friggin teddy bears, flowers and poems.
By:
moisok
When: 24 May 17 18:07
check out on line muslim forums for your enlightenment of the true faith!!
By:
terry mccann
When: 24 May 17 18:08
I don't understand this "carry on as normal while we as a government do nothing to protect you" crap, could someone explain b4 the sh1t really hits the fan
By:
moisok
When: 24 May 17 18:09
muslims reversing as fast as they can disassociating themselves from the bomber. Like he worshiped in a mosque and lived locally along with some other 16 terrorist types who have been arrested in the last few years.

It would be so funny if it wasn't so darn serious.
By:
moisok
When: 24 May 17 18:11
burnham is more worried about right wing extremists - still waiting to find out which lot he is on about and where they are.  I am not aware of any right wing groups killing kids lately.  I am sure mr burnham is not politically grandstanding for votes is he.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 24 May 17 19:05
Another explanation: Smash the Islam grip on the Middle East once and for all by exposing the West to the worst elements of it at close quarters?
That would kindle enough hate to justify whatever they have in mind.

It doesn't take much thought to work out who could be behind that!
If that's a possibility then they've made a good start already with four countries smashed.
By:
casemoney
When: 24 May 17 19:19
Teams of Them walking Round Manchester for Years
By:
ufcdan
When: 24 May 17 20:21
Maybe there is a God or Gods and their playing a big game of Risk or Warcraft Mischief
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 24 May 17 20:38
why did you hit me?
are you mad at me for something.
can i buy you an ice cream.
will you be my friend.
do you like my sister?
By:
moisok
When: 25 May 17 12:57
doesn't take long for 22 deaths to drop off the forum

yesterday the whole tv news media were trying to make excuses

the surreal reversing of cult members on speech making platforms was sickening

we now have burnham blabbin on sky right now 'we are falling in to the terrorist's trap'
'we all believe in people being equal'

but the cult he is defended doesn't believe in that!!

Muslims have their six lies that are tenets of Islam

• Taqiyya (Shia) or Muda'rat (Sunni):
tactical deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam.

• Kitman: deceit by omission.

• Tawriya: deceit by ambiguity.

• Taysir: deceit through facilitation
(not having to observe all the tenets of Sharia).

• Darura: deceit through necessity
(to engage in something "Haram" or forbidden).

• Muruna: the temporary suspension of Sharia in order that Muslim immigrants appear "moderate".

I think it is working don't you?
By:
Injera
When: 25 May 17 17:24
The prophet Muhammad is reported to have said these words about martyrdom:

    By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.
    — Collected by Muhammad al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari[5]

    The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the Earth, except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah).
    — Collected by Muhammad al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari[6]
By:
Injera
When: 25 May 17 17:26
Ps I apologise for joining Moisok in getting to the root of the problem.

I must in future say that every attack is merely a criminal act and nothing whatsoever to do with the death cult, I mean Islam.
By:
saddo
When: 25 May 17 17:27
Aye, that Quran's got nowt to do with Islam.
By:
Injera
When: 25 May 17 17:29
The Hadiths are the bigger worry. Mohammed's exact words. All this promising footballer did was obey the boss.
By:
cardifffc
When: 25 May 17 17:36
injera.......you do know moses never existed.......its myth........just like thor and Apollo
By:
posy
When: 25 May 17 17:51
Very interesting post moisok...I can't work out whether our so called leaders are deliberately ignoring the fundamental beliefs of Islam because they're scared to do anything about it or they're just plain ignorant about them.Either way the politicians are paving the  way for a reincarnated Adolf Hitler to deal with the problem.
By:
moisok
When: 25 May 17 18:22
Injera you are starting to learn the correct way to portray a criminal act. 
If you continue in this vein you will soon be able to stand for mayor.

Keep repeating 'it has nothing to do with islam'  'this man was not a muslim'

despite being thrown out of his mosque two months ago

I wonder what cult he belongs to if it is not islam?
By:
treetop
When: 25 May 17 18:22
It is plai cowardice. Once you acknowledge a problem then it is incumbent upon you to take some action on behalf of society to address the problem. Pre-empt that requirement by denying or downplaying the problem and you see our political establishment.
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