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Report GLASGOWCALLING May 21, 2017 6:31 PM BST
Shouldn't​ you be out mowing the lawn or rejoicing in Chelsea's​ win, or like me getting​ pushed. !!?
Report GLASGOWCALLING May 21, 2017 6:32 PM BST
Pisshed
Report Dr Crippen May 21, 2017 6:37 PM BST
We southerners can do all that at the same time as posting on here.
Report A_T May 21, 2017 6:45 PM BST
does your mind have any link with reality?
Report GLASGOWCALLING May 21, 2017 6:46 PM BST
Was born and bred in Southampton, .
Just seems a strange thing to post on such a glorious day. ?
Report lfc1971 May 21, 2017 6:53 PM BST
sometimes the question is more important than the answer.
Report 1st time poster May 21, 2017 6:54 PM BST
HER MAJESTY the queen did,shook hands with them,
Report lfc1971 May 21, 2017 6:56 PM BST
Questions are usually more beautiful than their answers.
Report lfc1971 May 21, 2017 6:57 PM BST
more significant, you only have to read 1st time posters attempt.
Report lfc1971 May 21, 2017 6:59 PM BST
an answer like that is never really sufficient to satisfy us.
why not?, because it comes from an idiot
who could dent that?
Report lfc1971 May 21, 2017 7:00 PM BST
but the question remains, that's all you need to know.
Report Ovalman. May 21, 2017 7:14 PM BST
Google is your friend

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11924431/Revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-and-John-McDonnells-close-IRA-links.html

Other sources available.

Votail Sinn Fein
Report STUDYFORM May 21, 2017 7:25 PM BST
Here fishy wishy,

worm on hook thread.
Report GLASGOWCALLING May 21, 2017 8:04 PM BST
.. correct, see my 18-31 post. .... Is that me in the net.?
Report STUDYFORM May 21, 2017 8:17 PM BST
No, I think you avoided the bait. Mischief
Report Ovalman. May 21, 2017 8:21 PM BST
It's one thing keeping silent channels to these scum, it's another to pander to them.

Make up your own mind.
Report GLASGOWCALLING May 21, 2017 8:22 PM BST
I've had no reply so i think i am safe . ?
Report STUDYFORM May 21, 2017 8:25 PM BST
Are you talking about fishermen thread starters, the IRA or Corbyn & McDonald, ovalman?
Report Ovalman. May 21, 2017 8:30 PM BST
I'm replying to the O/P.

I'm NI as you may know, I try not to bite on threads like this but sometimes I can't help myself.

Corbyn is an IRA sympathyser.
Report STUDYFORM May 21, 2017 8:31 PM BST
I understand, oval.... It's why they do it.
Report Ovalman. May 21, 2017 8:43 PM BST
https://www.facebook.com/RidgeOnSunday/videos/284159618710779/
Report Ovalman. May 21, 2017 8:45 PM BST
A more subtle question is did he want the British defeated?

I'm British BTW
Report Barry Conway May 21, 2017 10:08 PM BST
I found it interesting when he said "I supported the cause for peace" or something along those lines, with a huge pause after "The Cause".
Report Barry Conway May 21, 2017 10:15 PM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSpMujhSQHE

10:30

"I took up The Cause..."

interesting description.
Report guinness2dear May 22, 2017 12:06 AM BST
Dunno about Corbyn but McDonnell i doubt cos he is a scouser.
Report Capt__F May 22, 2017 1:16 AM BST
red or blue ?
Report guinness2dear May 22, 2017 1:22 AM BST
I said scouser not Norwegian, Cap'n
Report zorrostrikes May 22, 2017 4:15 AM BST
they bought ice cream from a catholic vendor.... bastille
Report zorrostrikes May 22, 2017 11:46 AM BST
i helped irish guys pack up their vans with furniture in the eighties and nineties.
some of those guys might be involved? making me a pawn of the IRA? ye gods.
Report zorrostrikes May 22, 2017 11:51 AM BST
mister Corbyn - "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party of the United States?

did you ever eat a burger after the kitchen was closed? GUILTY.

do you want the trains back in Government hands. Let's get something done?
or let's scale down till we can't do anything.
Report moisok May 22, 2017 7:56 PM BST
corbyn closing in on May - I told you all and you mocked me!!!
Report David Fishwick Minibus Sales May 22, 2017 9:46 PM BST
 
http://evolvepolitics.com/realise-current-conservative-politician-literally-...
Report STUDYFORM May 22, 2017 10:06 PM BST
Marvellous isn't it?

I watched the Tories trying to twist words about a 30 year old meeting.
Sophy Ridge (whoever she is) was dreadful. The question was more than answered, but she kept asking it and the TV and papers were all over it as the latest smear campaign.

In the end, it has to wear thin, doesn't it?
No actual policy, just saying "but Corbyn and Labour would be useless, so we're better"
Report STUDYFORM May 22, 2017 10:06 PM BST
in response to your link fishwick, btw.
Report David Fishwick Minibus Sales May 22, 2017 11:21 PM BST
http://bit.ly/2rb5RIX
Report David Fishwick Minibus Sales May 22, 2017 11:22 PM BST
^^^link broken?

https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/866232173216616448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fevolvepolitics.com%2Fbeating-bias-corbyn-just-laid-smackdown-murdoch-smear%2F
Report David Fishwick Minibus Sales May 22, 2017 11:36 PM BST
there have been some right c**ts negotiating down the years

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAXwWySXUAM7fa_.jpg




*clots
Report moisok May 22, 2017 11:37 PM BST
I have mentioned this before. Especially sky. It is more about the presenter than anything. It is as if they are on the stage.
Report Pokermonster May 23, 2017 2:26 AM BST
With regards Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell it's not merely a case of condemning a politician because one doesn't happen to like their social, economic or fiscal policies.

In McDonnell we're talking about a man who advocated the murder of British citizens, honouring those who actually committed such heinous acts of brutality, and somebody who counts IRA killers amongst his circle of friends.  It is important to note that he does not deny these despicable truths about his past.  A few grovelling apologies on television, however, are simply not good enough in this instance; the man is running for high office in a country whose people he once opined "only heeded to bullets and bombs."  The very fact that this dangerous individual is permitted to be shadow chancellor brings shame to all of us, not just the Labour Party.  Corbyn's historical alliances, although not quite as abhorrent as his chosen deputy, are also worthy of contempt; his links with Hezbollah, Hamas and the IRA all being widely known. 

If we had any sense neither man should be permitted within ten miles of the Houses of Parliament, much less prominent members of Her Majesty's opposition.  Labour are evidently shambolic and no longer the party best representing British workers.  I, unlike many right wingers, take no delight in this fact whatsoever.  Our country desperately needs a trustworthy, credible and competent alternative to the incumbent government, an impossible scenario with the likes of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott at the helm.
Report STUDYFORM May 23, 2017 8:19 AM BST
Whilst I agree about Abbott (who couldn't?)
Labour are evidently shambolic and no longer the party best representing British workers.
The evidence being consistent negative press for the past 3 years (or longer)?
As a British worker, I feel far more represented by what I have seen and heard from Corbyn then by anything the Tories have (or mostly haven't) said.

As for links being widely known, they've been blown out of proportion by a government supporting press so as to create a feeling of fear among potential voters.

I'm more concerned about an actual Tory councillor was was an ACTUAL member of the IRA and trying to kill as many British people as she could.
I'm also concerned about all the secret and other meetings attended by government and others from all parties which haven't been made into news 30 or 40 years later for propaganda purposes.
Report Breedingmad May 23, 2017 8:21 AM BST
It's called dragging the dirt on your opponents.
Report ufcdan May 23, 2017 8:49 AM BST
Still at least we have a sense of balance with the shadow cabinet thanks to Diane Abbott "Every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us" you couldn't fu cking make it up Angry
Report lfc1971 May 23, 2017 8:54 AM BST
there are good things in the Labour manifesto. and the conservative manifesto is a disaster.
but I could never vote for Corbyn because he is a republican and anti- British and supports the IRA.
Report Breedingmad May 23, 2017 8:57 AM BST
I can't vote for any of them they are all unsuited to the job.
Report STUDYFORM May 23, 2017 9:02 AM BST

May 23, 2017 -- 8:54AM, lfc1971 wrote:


there are good things in the Labour manifesto. and the conservative manifesto is a disaster.but I could never vote for Corbyn because he is a republican and anti- British and supports the IRA.


There you have it, lfc.
You have been told all you need to be told so that you won't vote what they don't want you to vote.

Report STUDYFORM May 23, 2017 9:03 AM BST
Diane Abbott is (in every way possible) Corbyn's biggest mistake.
Report Facts May 23, 2017 10:45 AM BST
' ........One of the most commonly occurring personal attack points that right-wingers use against Jeremy Corbyn is that he openly talked to the IRA in the 1980s and '90s.
The problem with this right-wing narrative (like with so many other right-wing narratives) is that it's totally undermined by facts and reality.
These people know that Corbyn talked to the IRA because he did it openly, but at the very same time Corbyn was openly talking to the IRA the political establishment were conducting secret backdoor deals with them.
- In 1972 the Tory government of Edward Heath conducted secret negotiations with the IRA. The truth was only revealed in 2003.
- Margaret Thatcher always used to insist that she did not negotiate with terrorists, but in 2011 declassified documents revealed that that's exactly what she did. She negotiated with the IRA in 1981 during the hunger strikes, and the documents detailing the negotiating position of the UK government even featured annotations in her handwriting!
- Thatcher also gave her personal approval to secret talks with the IRA in 1990 too. So much for her not negotiating with terrorists rhetoric eh?
- In 1993 the revelation that John Major's government had been conducting secret talks with the IRA created a huge political scandal, with several Tory MPs (who were clearly unaware of Thatcher's secret talks with the IRA) reacting with horror at the revelation that the not negotiating with terrorists line was a total lie.
- In 2008 it was revealed that the UK government maintained a secret back channel to talk with the IRA for two decades all the way from 1973 and 1993.
- From 1997 onward Tony Blair's government conducted negotiations with the IRA that eventually led to the Good Friday Agreement, the power-sharing deal and the successful deescalation of the troubles. During this process Tony Blair had secret talks with the IRA in 1999.
- In 2010 an Tory peer called David James openly admitted that he had a history of secretly laundering money for the IRA. He still sits in the unelected House of Lords as a Tory peer!.....'
Report ufcdan May 23, 2017 4:50 PM BST
Facts the people you mention were in power at the time. What Jeremy Corbyn said or thought was irrelevant. Still if he thinks it does some good I'll happily pay or his airfare to go to Syria to reason with ISIS Plain
Report Dav_vin03 May 23, 2017 8:19 PM BST
Corbyn needs a reality check, the IRA caused great harm on innocent people, to refuse to condemn the bleeding obvious is putting ideology before reality.
Report ufcdan May 26, 2017 6:14 PM BST
Given how long ago it was will the IRA mean anything to young voters or that Corbyn held talks with them ?
Report boxingthefox May 26, 2017 7:11 PM BST
Corbyn squirming on BBC 1 right now, PATHETIC!!
Report STUDYFORM May 26, 2017 7:35 PM BST
It's like I always say.
We all see what we want to see.

I thought May squirmed much more.

Perhaps no-one did, or they both did?
Report boxingthefox May 26, 2017 7:40 PM BST

May 26, 2017 -- 7:35PM, STUDYFORM wrote:


It's like I always say.We all see what we want to see.I thought May squirmed much more.Perhaps no-one did, or they both did?


Yes we do, but isn't THIS thread about Corbyn and the IRA, not May or have I misread it. please enlighten me.

Report anxious May 26, 2017 7:44 PM BST
Shocking bias and questioning there by Rupert Murdochs lap dog Andrew Tory Neil
Report boxingthefox May 26, 2017 7:44 PM BST
Laugh
Report anxious May 26, 2017 7:52 PM BST
Mind you to be fair Neil is a good interviewer, he gave One Nation Theresa a grilling too.
Report boxingthefox May 26, 2017 7:59 PM BST
Wink On that we agree. Happy
Report scandanavian_haven May 26, 2017 8:02 PM BST
when was the OP banned? thought I hadn't seen him around, maybe he morphed into moisk
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