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IF the unthinkable happens, how would you explain it away?

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By:
dustybin
When: 21 May 17 18:05
Leo the mouse

The tree of knowledge from which Adam and Eve were ordered not to eat from was nothing more than a trap, it was the manifestation of temptation and nothing more from what I can see.

This implies God's love is conditional and unlike that of a parent in the conventional sense.
Would a parent that loved their offspring set them up to fail (a trap which is set only requires time to catch something) then denounce them after giving them 'freewill' only to expect them to seek forgiveness, and failure to do so cast into damnation?

Ofcourse they wouldnt, because a parent loves and accepts what they are and nurtures and forgives.

The religious suggest that god is accepting of the trangression if sincere, this isnt possible for original sin because an individual cant appreciate what god is, nor what the action of taking the fruit means to god nor were any of the individuals who were blamed in control of the action thousands of years following.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 21 May 17 18:22
Yes - God wanted us to eat from the tree, free choice. He gave a warning - if you eat from the tree you will die. They did. corruption set in - corruption is the price for sin, being ungodly.

God says this at the end of that episode... And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

God then places an angel to guard the tree of life, he could have done that for the tree of knowledge. He wanted man to grow and learn a lesson. free choice and consequences.
By:
boxingthefox
When: 21 May 17 19:06
Zorro, you are in the wrong place if you are seeking like minded 'fatalists' who look for comfort in being able to attribute doom to some larger cosmic order event such as The Rapture, that removes any sense of individual responsibility.

You are displaying disturbing traits normally attributed to Psychological trauma, you seek legitimisation by claiming to know  the precise end date. Your "Apocalyptic needs' are based on fear and loathing of our own mortality and this world and it's inhabitants.

Paradoxically knowing the precise end date IS the reason to stop worrying and prepare, and more importantly allow others (your God's so called gift) 'free will' to make their own decisions .Stop annoying everyone else with this tedious mumbo jumbo. I for one have no need of your twisted views, your predictions and your take on all that is and ever will be. Your obsession with good and evil is a classic symptom of the above.

I'm done I have other things to do, than post any more about this rubbish. Plain
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 21 May 17 20:34
bravo - if you really are an atheist go live your life. live out that life has no meaning.
chemical chance.
if you are arguing with me you are undecided.

i'm not date setting I'm telling Christians that this is the season. It's been revealed by modern technology and by what is happening in Israel. This generation will not pass. will not sleep(die). the christians are leaving.the Jews have been in the land 70 years.

"Jesus’ point in His statement, “this generation will not pass away until all these things take place,” is that the events of the end times will happen quickly. Once the signs of the end begin to be observed, the end is well on the way—the second coming and the judgment will occur within that last generation. Jesus reinforced this meaning with a parable in Matthew 24:32–33: “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.” A sure sign of summer is the leafing of the fig tree; a sure sign of the end of the world is that “all these things” (of Matthew 24) are taking place. Those who are on the earth then will have only a short time left." quote

"Essentially, Jesus is saying that, once the events of the end times begin, they will happen quickly. The age of grace has continued for a very long time. But when the time for judgment finally arrives, things will be wrapped up posthaste. This concept of God’s drawing things to a rapid close is echoed in many other passages of Scripture (Matthew 24:22; Mark 13:20; Revelation 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20)." quote

2017 - 5777 means the end of grace. 5778 means grace ended and it's a new beginning.

Atheism doesn't work when we are still in God's plan - if you say that god doesn't exist in 300 years time you would be right. Because God's not keeping to his word, therefore derelict. but we are on point. perfect timing. the world is as it was described it would be 2000 years ago. I'm sorry you atheists are still blind to God's plan. you are just part of the great apostasy. the army of little anti Christs that will be swept away if you maintain this course. After the rapture.Satan will turn around and say God left you to me, he doesn't want you. this too is a lie. you still have free choice.
By:
lfc1971
When: 21 May 17 21:13
Stop talking complete tripe zorro!
it's easy to stay silent, this is all very senseless

I don't want a future, I want a present.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 21 May 17 21:48
seems you want to argue with God.

that implies belief in God.

God's not the enemy, the other guy is in charge until you defer.

All the Muslims say you are Muslim until you profess otherwise.
it's he same deal. you are of this world until you opt out.
By:
Foinavon
When: 21 May 17 22:07
Atheists don't argue with god as he doesn't exist.
It's religious believers like you who talk to a non-existent god, do you realise how odd that is?
What rot you talk. I know lots of practicing Christians but they don't spout this rubbish.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 22 May 17 04:00
that's because they are practicing, i'm the professional.

the lord God of Israel, the messiah ben David, Yeshua(Jesus, for the Church of England)
is returning to take away the harvest, the body of Christ, the bride of Christ.
the head was born 2000 years ago the body of believers will be born soon. After the rapture you atheists can continue to the pit or turn from your false beliefs of monkeys turning to men and pseudo science beliefs to explain God away. Your opinion is not important. God will sweep you away. You had your day. You made music lists,wrote libraries full of garbage, catagorized creation, made lists of colours, collected everything from dolls to beer mats,it was all distraction to fill your lives and avoid God. This life was a test on Faith and you asked for proofs. You failed the exam. you get a failing mark.

you will be moved to the remedial phase called proofs. God has taken away the faithful and you saw it with your own eyes or heard about it. Now you have to decide for Yeshua or the god of this world who's come out from behind the curtain. As remedial students, dooh, you can believe what your eyes told you or what Satan will say. Fail this part and you really are thick as mud?
By:
dustybin
When: 22 May 17 10:15
It's high stakes poker now
Zorro playing full in for all the marbles.

Unfortunately this likely ends in one of two ways.
A realisation that nothing came of it, deflation and probably depression,
Or,
Institution for zorro.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 22 May 17 10:41
i thought it either happens or it doesn't. I don't get depressed. i'm a fkin happy knut. there is too much i can be doing. never understood why people get depressed in a world of madmen. they are so funny. Spike Milligan I believe was the funniest guy in the world. Because all his humour is absurd. Absurdities are funny. repetition is the funniest thing in the world. People are running off to work a twelve hour shift with their diversion therapy. keepin busy boss.(ok Luke) They won't get the joke.

if it doesn't happen on schedule, i'll re watch my tv favourites.
more time to watch more guff.
By:
dustybin
When: 22 May 17 10:59
'If it doesn't happen on schedule'....ffs writing your disclaimers already?

Or you actually don't believe all this as much as you like to think you do?
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 22 May 17 11:20
i'm in a world where my only sources of info is controlled by the enemy.
Satan is in control of most of the narrative.
therefore i rely on other people to be right in their analysis.
in my own investigation of two years, i have to take certain items as
being genuine. the dates of conflicts etc. but i know God exists as he's
interceded for me in the past. whether i can know the mind of God is another
question. i'm not a prophet. i'm a schmuck that sees a pattern.
the pattern looks airtight. but the intention behind the sign is unclear?
i'm taking it as the rapture because it fits and it's the next major action
that Christ will complete. the sign is not for the Christians, we don't need
signs, we live by faith. the sign is for the Jewish Nation. the Crown of twelve
stars is in Leo (the lion of judah's sign) it's aimed at the Jews.
the year says the end of grace, that means the church age is ending.
it's returning to the Jewish nation. So the rapture will happen first, making
the Jews look up. It makes sense, the majority of the church are oblivious to the sign.
They are saved so it's not really important to wake them up.
I noticed it because of the pattern, but if I was oblivious i'd still be raptured.
All the christians are leaving. it's a snatching away.
God's trumpet will blow and we'll all know what it is.
By:
dustybin
When: 22 May 17 13:02
You talk of trust but how do you know which bits to believe?
How do you know the creation of God wasn't a satan double bluff and the story made to look like you are choosing the 'good one' and all attributable to him when actually it's just a front and a deception?

This is the problem with the concept of grasping for something to believe, the lack of evidence.
Many people look at events and assume them to be signs.
Just as I posted my last comment I heard the letterbox go and it turned out to be a local periodical from the church around the corner.
Was that a sign?
No, it was just coincidence based on the scattergun of attempting to collect as many into their belief system, since if it has no followers it retains no value...and they want support financially ofc.

Besides, it makes me smile when believers talk of signs.
Like they think God gets a hard on in painting obscurities for the sake of it.
Bertrand Russell referred to a god being at pains to conceal himself....and yet seemingly in the marketing department of gaining followers.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 22 May 17 15:00
if he kept popping up - even Russel would believe, that's proof.
we have the faith described by the roman Centurion.
he does not need to see it happen, he gives an order and it is done.
Jesus rebukes the jews for not having such faith.

satan as lightbearer? isn't that masonic drivel? Luciferian BS.

your not a mason are you? dustybin.

Darwin's family were all masons. of course no proof he was a apron wearer.
By:
dustybin
When: 22 May 17 15:11
'Keeps popping up'?
Drawing similes of events based on a pre conceived notion isn't quite evidence of any of these things being 'him'

Spotting him once in an unrefutable case would have been nice, let alone imagining everything you see and hear to be the manifestation of him.

Not Masonic, just a question as to verify the validity of info, it's almost as a cherry picking excercise. You have no idea what truth is when it's all presented from the hand and mouth of untrustworthy mankind, or worse, the insidious nature of something you hate.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 22 May 17 20:52
i don't hate mankind, i hate evil which is ruling it.
a good percentage will be saved by God. Those that understand that there
is a higher authority than them. Trouble with you atheists is that you are
married to the idea that you are the boss. you are in control.
you have a garden lawn and you mow it and control it and it's your little kingdom.
stake a claim on God's land and think you are the rulers.
the land is reverting back into God's hands. the lease is over for man, and Satan
who took it off Adam. It would take man billions of years to get to what God plans
for the faithful, even if it's even possible?
I think God's gave us a good deal. We would destroy ourselves eventually, either by
deliberate action or by accident. he's left us pretty much alone for two thousand years
and there hasn't been a year that we haven't had a war somewhere on the globe.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 24 May 17 22:00
Thursday, 25 May
Ascension Day 2017
Jesus ascended to Heaven.

Jupiter is actually popping outside the perimeter of Virgo on the 25th for 45 days.
Pentecost on June 4th. the holy spirit descended on the apostles then.

two of the possibilities on the board in the year 5777.

zipzap gone.
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 23:16
curious the pleasure it gives me to read zorros ramblings.
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 23:17
I'm a Virgo , the 25th God knows what that means.
By:
crags
When: 24 May 17 23:21
A Virgo you say, quelle surprise
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 23:22
What happens after the 'rapture'  zorro ?  I don't know
I'm a bit afraid , and a bit not afraid.
By:
crags
When: 24 May 17 23:26
Was it call Me? Or maybe The Tide Is High?
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 23:28
no no , it's picture this. That's her greatest song
By:
crags
When: 24 May 17 23:29
Picture This was '78. Before Rapture x
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 23:31
remember there is life and there is death
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 23:32
That lovely things like Debbie harry exist ....is a lovely thought
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 23:34
I'd like to die listening to a piece of music, but of course that's impossible
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 23:37
something feels like it is missing, when I haven't heard any music ,
That's the best I can do to describe music
By:
crags
When: 24 May 17 23:38
You are one of the smarter trolls on here x
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 23:39
someone borrowed my parallel lines album , and I never got it back.
I remember that all these years later : )
By:
lfc1971
When: 24 May 17 23:39
thanks crags, good to have you back .
By:
crags
When: 24 May 17 23:41
Love
By:
Capt__F
When: 25 May 17 00:25
4th dimension parallel universe
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 25 May 17 01:32
In a recent daredevil episode the villain pops up and DD says.. you, you're dead.
to which the villain responds - there's no such thing.

we are all immortal - Got gave us all an immortal soul. we sleep. some will not sleep.
it's in the bible, the rapture of the church is on the cards. It's the next action by Christ. the wedding feast.

the light of the world departs and Satan gets to use all his powers, which have been
subdued by God's presence(the holy spirit) that indwells in the church(believers in christ).
once removed the end comes quickly.

Satan is an angel, not a devil. He's had to work through people. But he'll come out from behind the curtain and conquer the world in no time. He owns all those that rule us. But he wants to rule even if it's only for a short time. bucket list.
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