IF the unthinkable happens, how would you explain it away?

let me explain - Adam and Eve ate from the tree of - knowledge of Good and evil.
God let them do this as Mankind would have ended it's growth right then and there.
the creation would be complete.
by eating of the tree we now know were it all leads. sin leads to corruption and death.

when we accept Jesus' sacrifice on the tree of life. we accept Jesus(yeshua, no j in hebrew) and grace into our souls. we are Christ's body. No one will pick sin again - the lesson is learned.

some souls want to continue in their sinful ways. they are running from God. they are proud of their iniquities - they damn themselves with free will. God accepts their choice. but he can't allow immortal evil souls to roam free. they will be cast into outer darkness.
You've chosen self employment. or you ignore the creator all your life. you are aware of the bible and you resort to legalism to justify your existence, when it was God that brought you forth. you prosecute God with the morals he instilled into humanity? the law started with Moses. God is not a voyeur - he is the father who sees evil being committed. he cannot intercede until his promise to Adam is over. at the end of 6000 years. He gave man full authority on Earth. Adam gave his authority to Satan. Only the church is restricting Satan. without the church, Roman brutality would be the norm. The church has the holy spirit and it restrains the full powers of Satan. The church is all believers in Christ. Satan has fielded anti christs before - Napoleon, Hitler. Dictators that try to take over the world. They've been fought back over the last two thousand years. But the next guy will succeed. He will rule all mankind. Until the clock says 6000. Then every little AC will be wiped away and God addresses the victims of those killed all through history by murderers and criminals. Will Sir Jimmy Saville get away with what he did?

I have to say I've always been a huge fan of Lilith. Why does the first woman created by God play such a small role in Christianity?

psychological self flagellation is alive and well. Zorro^^^^

Is it because being formed from Adam's rib is a much better justification of patriarchy than being formed on equal grounds from the same earth.

he's a bugger that Satan. If only we could trust our animalistic instincts, and not fall foul of him, we'd probably be fine.

66 books of the bible - 40 authors?  a prophet is one appointed by God Himself to be His messenger and scribe. Moses wrote Genesis. Yet all books are linked and cross reference themselves.

The Holy Spirit is the helper, he reminded the apostles of everything that Jesus did. He is the author. He is part of the godhead, the trinity.

The Coming of the Holy Spirit

When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place.  And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting.  And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them.  And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.  And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language.  And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans?  And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?  Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,  Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome,  both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.”  And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?”  But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
Peter's Sermon at Pentecost

But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words.  For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:


“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.
And I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below,
blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke; the sun shall be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood,before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.
And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’

the Holy spirit is in the church members now, he is restraining satan on earth, he is God. Satan can only push others to do his bidding, he can't function at full power with God in the world. So the holy spirit has to leave. That's why the rapture is coming first. Christians go, holy spirit goes. Satan gets his way fully - he's the catalyst. those left will have to be hell bent - refining Gold by turning up the heat.

the rib is the only bone in the body that regenerates and fully reforms if excised by a surgeon. they can take a rib out use it in grafts. It regrows.

Coincidence? yeah another one.

Adam's blood is spilled in the soil to get him a bride?

Jesus's blood falls from a spear wound to his side by a roman spear. his blood saves sinners and we the christians are the 'bride of Christ'.

both actions produce a bride.

Wait, so if we engage in coitus with people that are not Jesus Christ it is adultery?

"Moses wrote Genesis". really I suppose the biblical scholars say that Moses was not really the author of the Torah, (which morphed into the Old Testament) are wrong but you of course are right.

Zorro you're increasingly looking like the Dad attending his sons passing out parade who shouts LOOK.... they're all out of step except my Johnny.

Moses wrote the five books of the Tanakh.

The Book of Genesis is the first book of the Hebrew Bible (the Tanakh) and the Christian Old .Tradition credits Moses as the author of Genesis, as well as Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and most of Deuteronomy,(wiki)

Wiki,

i was going on my memory, looks like it did not fail me in this instance. but if i am wrong in one thing it does not negate every thing i may say it simply means i'm a fool who has mis remembered or picked up a wrong fact. i'm willing to concede i'm a sinner and a fool all day long.

As am I Zorro,

Have a 'chuckle break' every now and then, good for the soul and blood pressure.

there is other sources - wiki is accepted by most people as a reasonable source.
publically edited.

http://creation.com/did-moses-really-write-genesis

The first five books of the Bible (a.k.a., Torah Pentateuch), are called the books of Moses because he was the writer.
http://www.truthnet.org/Bible-Origins/5_Old-Testament-Books/

actually get mixed up with the jewish titles?
the bible doesn't have the headers in hebrew. unless you are reading the original hebrew.
22 letters in their aleph bet.

i'll need to brush up on my hebrew studies before the rapture?

the schmitah cycle of seven years - used by stocks and shares companies?
sept 1917 to sept 1918 - The Balfour Declaration, letter sent 2 Nov 1917 to Rothschild.
1924 to 25 - Jews return to Palestine, FOURTH ALIYAH (Eretz Israel).
1931 to 32 - Jews return to Palestine, FIFTH ALIYAH (Eretz Israel).
1938 to 39 - ooo - start of war, six million Jews killed.
1945 to 46 - end of war in europe and asia.
1952 to 53 - 10 Sept. Reparations Agreement between Israel and West Germany is signed.
1959 to 60 - Jews leave Cuba. Heuss is the first German pres'to visit Israel.
1966 to 67 - six day war - Jerusalem lost by Arabs, was not part of Israel you twits?
1967 jubilee year.........
1973 to 74  - Yom kippur war - couldn't they have waited to 1976? why seven years?
1980 to 81 - Russia starts to expel Jews - 1.6 million
1987 to 88 - stock market crash - 250,000 Jewish march in washington.
1994 to 95 - the oslo accords come into affect - jews/palestine.
2001 to 2002 - sept 11? twin towers and war in the middle east.
2008 to 2009 - financial crash and war progresses to Arab Spring.
2015 to 2016 - the San Hedrin is reconstituted. moon signs galore.
2017 jubilee year......


This is so typical of these sort of theories.

Criteria as vague as possible.

The Suez War of 1956 was way more significant in Israeli history than most of the things listed but it doesn't fit the mystical 7 year cycle so is left out and instead we have 'Heuss is the first German pres'to visit Israel.' If you are gonna pick the visit of a political figure about as important as the lord mayor of London then you can pick anything at all.

Great thread

explain why they attacked israel in september 1973? on yom kippur. why seven years? why not 6 or 8?
the twin towers? in september ?
world war 2 bracketed.
the year triggers a blessing or a curse, based on their group behaviour as a nation.

this is surface history i scraped together myself - Jonathan Cahn wrote about it in a book. I've never read it - but It confirmed my own researches that I noticed when i looked at 2011 and 2008.

the jewish religious year begins usually in September. it's infamous in that region - the black september group?

2001 and 2008, just saw i mistyped the dates.

The world starts to come to an end, on August 21st 2017
and the death of 75% of all life on earth, and zorro is taken up and away
That's 6000 years since god created the world , I am not sure why or how they know that ?
It has to be on a full feast day and end on a feast day, no I don't know what that is either, or even why it should matter?
So that is why it has to be August 2017, oh and the 21st

no, no, I'm not telling lies.

explain why they attacked israel in september 1973? on yom kippur

Because they figured they were on holiday , guard down etc ....

Why did they start the 6 day war in June ? If they had done it in September it would be listed here but as they didn't hey ho never mind

ah, they called it the 7day war.
no , no they weren't telling lies.

adam begat seth. etc

their ages are added up - they live in real history under kings that are dated.

it's been worked out. By other johnnies.

the jewish year is 360 days long. it's been messed about and changed by Pope.

but the year is 5777 now. and the date is the date. the schmitah is there to calibrate the seasons. God's clock is working fine. Now is the time. 2000 years since christ. he's actually late. He says in the bible he'll wait for the last of the gentiles to come in.

the multiple anniversaries, the starsign in the heavens, all the other stuff going on. it's a lock. it's several billions to one.

I'm declaring this for the christians that aren't prepared. they are going whether they know it or not. the whole body is leaving.

poor atheists - god didn't pick you for the team. remember in the playground, you are not getting picked. God does the choosing. He knows you are full of lies, you embrace far out bs like evolution. well in a few months you'll know you are sucking it all up like a hoover. it'll be such a shock you'll continue to pay reverence to your mountain of illusions. you'll forget all the missing people and carry on regardless. they'll give a far out excuse and you'll suck it up just to prove your still right.

six day war - six days of creation.
ending on the sabbath day - they rested.


The year started in Sept 1966 ending in sept 1967

the yom kippur war - sept 1973

agreed they waited to the holiday, but they chose the year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zyy_fj8e0I   - watch it chums.

Why did Moshe Dayan and the military leaders call it the 7day war, when it was 6 days ?
well it fitted some religious prophecy, except it didn't .
But it was ok , no no they were not telling lies.

moping up operations. the battles were finished.

Moshe Dayan - candidate for AC.

ah that's it, sorry it wasn't a 6 day war, it was a 7 day war with moping up , which lasted one day and not 2 or 3
no , no I am not telling lies.

history books all call it - the six day war. been taht way for fifty years. WTF are you reading Charlie.

You don't know very much about Israel do you zorro, or the military tactics of a country, and how a country prepares its people to face an enemy , and the propaganda it uses to help give courage and strength to its armed forces and people,
It is called the 6 day war because it lasted 6 days, but at the time and for some time after it was called the 6day war, by the Israeli military and political leaders because it was part of their religious prophesies . The Israeli leaders knew this , Moshe Dayan knew this and he was clever enough to use this to strengthen the resolve of the Israelis ,
That's the history Charlie , if you care to understand what it means.

*at the time and for some time after it was called the 7 day war

May 20, 2017 -- 7:56PM, lfc1971 wrote:

*at the time and for some time after it was called the 7 day war

Was going to make a witty comment about a 'week argument' but can't be arsed.
Night x

Is this fake news IFC1971. there's videos on ytube that goes through the war.

Glenn Beck's one was very entertaining. But there are older documentaries.

I also took Modern Studies in the eighties I spent many a month shading maps of the middle east. We went through the history of Israel with a fine tooth comb.

To continue your analogy zorro I think you'll find God has already abandoned us all and left us by the side of the road by the very act of forcing us into creation burdened with the guilt of a crime non of us can possibly relate to....and then serendipitouslay allow the sinful man to be the only carrier of the message of redemption or justification.

There's apparently a star around 1200 light years away doing some pretty unusual stuff that science hasn't been able to explain yet....you gunna hang your hat on that being the second coming?

Do you make false relics in your shed to help fortify faith like the others do?

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/modern-world-history-1918-to-1980/the-middle-east-1917-to-1973/the-six-day-war/

"The Six-Day War took place in June 1967. The Six-Day War was fought between June 5th and June 10th. The Israelis defended the war as a preventative military effort to counter what the Israelis saw as an impending attack by Arab nations that surrounded Israel.


another coincidence this year the days are numbered the same... wed 7th 1967, Wed 7th 2017. i was born during the war. hooray 50 in June. Jerusalem captured on the 7th. God's number. perfectioneeeeeeeee.

mr Dustybin, the star sign is for the birth of the church just as there was one for the messiah. The baby in Virgo womb is the church. nine to ten months moving around Virgo. Conception was on nOv16.
Jesus does not touch down he meets the church in the air.

the second coming is contingent on the Anti Christ - once he CONFIRMS the covenant with many then Jesus comes back three and a half years later. So if you want to stop Jesus? Stop the AC?  if you can. It's impossible, but give it a go will you?

no grave images allowed you putz. i'm not religious. i'm just right on this. you'll find out. soon enough.

What in the name of Castor and Pollux is going on here

The very notion of attempting to derive a narrative out of nothing is supercilious.

We grow accustom to 'normality' due to experience. What we believe to be constant and true are only the things we witness.
That obviously means the likelihood of other things being possible to our limited knowledge is extremely likely, and we progress into the unusual slowly but surely until it becomes accepted.
This notion could mean that the perception of existence being an experiment is perfectly possible, that an entity looks to see if their preferred option is chosen without influence.

That the choice is hard and the reward great I have no problem with, the concept of punishment for not finding the meaning, I do.
All I see is men and women tell me they think they know, or that they think this is evidence.
Well I can tell them for certain that whatever they love will end, that they will feel pain and suffering and be done hardship due to the desire of their fellow man and quite possibly a result of the desire of their creator.
That all those that think they have faith which itself is just a belief in truth they can't prove will suffer these injustices, whether requested as a bi product of action, or not.
There's lays the rub......that no matter how pious, you will suffer, whether you chose the supposed correct way or not you will suffer.
You didn't request life, so suffering was given you regardless.

All the words and filler looking to justify it is meaningless.
You were made to suffer.

I'm having bellypork today with roasties mash cabbage and yorkshires , if any godbothers knock on my door i will be angry.

Botherers ffs godbotherers how the feck dou you spell godbotherers is that right

Het Dustybin -  you sounded like Sydney Greenstreet, are you the ghost of the fat man.

Such waffle should be in a Howard Hawks film.

time will tell fat man. you have a few more months to eat more dictionaries.

It's verbage you eat ? not veggies.

There is no sin, and there can be no sin on all the earth, which the Lord will not forgive to the truly repentant! Man cannot commit a sin so great as to exhaust the infinite love of God. Can there be a sin which could exceed the love of God? (Dostoyevsky)

yet free will bars you from Gods love, you choose not to be with him. God respects your choice. you bar yourself from heaven. God has chased you and you run away quicker than a jungle cat. (zorro)

Zorro, you state "Judgement will fall on everyone that is not a christian.
God is the judge. he knows your motives better than you...

you get a free pardon if you have faith in Jesus."

But later on you state "i'm not religious."

I'm a bit confused, what do you mean when you say your not religious, or are you saying that you know this is all going to happen but your not fussed about getting into heaven. Surely you are religious aren't you or was this said as a joke.

Dustybin - you talk about suffering and that you were made to suffer, but what about Buddhism and Hinduism. Isn't the whole purpose to reach Nirvana or Moksha.

You can not 'be truly repentant' of an act you know nothing of, nor of the nature of its transgression or the value placed upon it, to say you are is a fabrication as great in magnitude as the desire one places in faith to deliver them from suffering......from which was forced on then directly or indirectly by the one the are to ask forgiveness of......if they exist.

U.A.
I was speaking of suffering as an absolute, the fact it happens irrespective of anything else.
So to consider the fact that the creator made it thus whether you do right or not is punishment itself.

There are those among us who don't read too much into religion who also suffer, but to to say you worship the entity that made it that way is perverse.

zorro let me make it simple for you, I don't care how many years you spent colouring in maps of the Middle East .
This is how it works:
The 6 day war lasted 6 days
Moshe Dayan and Israeli military and political leaders knew of a religious prophesy of a 7day war to determine Israels fate as a nation .
During the war Israeli leaders , and in particular Moshe Dayan used this prophesy to strengthen the courage of the Israeli army and people
That is why at the time of the war and for some time after it was called the 7 day war.

ps Dayan wanted to try the same trick in the Yon Kippur war when after the disasterous first two days he wanted to announce that this was the fall of the third temple, but was stopped from talking by Golda Meir.

So that was how the prophesies worked, and they did work, Israel prevailed
They won the 7 day war, in 6 days

no, no, they were not telling lies.

Religion speaks of the jeopardy that an individual's soul is in, based on the decisions that they made as definable separate entities......and yet shackles them at birth automatically for the transgressions made by a couple of very distant ancestors, based on an act carried out as part of a trap.
So which is it, are we individual or all guilty by association....or both....at your own choosing to fit a contrived narrative?

I seem to remember that when Gorbachev first appeared as the leader of Soviet Russia some religious types took one look at the mark on his head and promptly announced that he was the new anti christ as prophesied in  revelation :)

Dusty, quick question just out of curiousity.

If you have a choice would you choose a to be allowed to live your next life where you are exposed to the possibility of great joy and pleasure but with that great pain and suffering, or would you choose a life with no pain and suffering and consequently no joy or pleasure.

It was that birthmark on his noggin, that was all it took to set them off .
that's been forgotten now, by zorro?, perhaps Gorby will make a comeback.

don't forget the possibility of eternity in hell dusty, that's part of the equation also

"hell is other people"

how lovely it must be to be a tortoise .

U.A.

That's an easy one.
The latter.

Ofc the question was phrased from the perspective of a fallible human not an omnipotent being.
So why should it be either or if you can do anything?

What purpose did the tree of life and knowledge serve other than to NOT have its fruit eaten?

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Enter Polonius:
God bless you sir

Hamlet: do you see younger cloud that's almost in shape of a camel?
Polonius: by the mass ''tis like a camel indeed

Hamlet: methinks it is like a weasel
Polonius: it is backed like a weasel

Hamlet: or like a whale
Polonius: very like a whale.

LFC1971 - You posted YOUR opinion on the 1967 war? I posted links to verifiable sources. You are posting what they call hearsay. Moshe Dayan thought cheese was nice?

where are you dredging up your info?

Both the tree of life and the tree of knowledge has been used.

Jesus hung on the tree of life, through this action we have immortal life. All who call on his name and believe in him put on immortality, a new glorified body.
I personally reconciled myself to death being an atheist for 25 years, and see immortality as the frightening prospect but God does say it's going to be unimaginable? It's not going to be an add on to this life. It's not angels and harps and philidelphia cheese. No human mind has imagination to match it.

to answer the question put to me - I'm not religious because i'm not part of a religion. I'm part of God and the truth. The world and everyone else is not part of God until they accept him. Even after the rapture some are reconciled to him.

JUPITER has moved around the grey area for ten months, it only goes into that area, once every twelve years for three months. It's retrograde motion, from our viewpoint. It's an 83 year cycle. The planets aligning in a nice straight line with the end star of Leo. and the moon at Virgo's feet completes the sign on september 22-23. All this cannot be seen except by computer program and therefore could not be seen in the past.It's been revealed in our time. Sealed up until the end.

remember - Virgo entered Virgo on the supermoon in Nov16th 2016, within the jewish new year of oct 1st to september 23rd Sept - it comes out at the new year. (NICE FKIN TIMING)

look at that picture below - Jupiter, the sun, mercury,mars, venus and Regulus(brightest star in leo)? are all in a straight line.

tick tock

Jupiter entered virgo - not virgo entered virgo, that would create an inversion in the matrix. Startrek voyager speakese.

can we loop the sazzafram into the main schizmatic doggleblaster.

Celtic Jubilee winners. 1967 and 2017. keeping the faith.

Predictions are difficult Zorro.

Best to keep it clean and see what happens.

Leo the mouse

The tree of knowledge from which Adam and Eve were ordered not to eat from was nothing more than a trap, it was the manifestation of temptation and nothing more from what I can see.

This implies God's love is conditional and unlike that of a parent in the conventional sense.
Would a parent that loved their offspring set them up to fail (a trap which is set only requires time to catch something) then denounce them after giving them 'freewill' only to expect them to seek forgiveness, and failure to do so cast into damnation?

Ofcourse they wouldnt, because a parent loves and accepts what they are and nurtures and forgives.

The religious suggest that god is accepting of the trangression if sincere, this isnt possible for original sin because an individual cant appreciate what god is, nor what the action of taking the fruit means to god nor were any of the individuals who were blamed in control of the action thousands of years following.

Yes - God wanted us to eat from the tree, free choice. He gave a warning - if you eat from the tree you will die. They did. corruption set in - corruption is the price for sin, being ungodly.

God says this at the end of that episode... And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

God then places an angel to guard the tree of life, he could have done that for the tree of knowledge. He wanted man to grow and learn a lesson. free choice and consequences.

Zorro, you are in the wrong place if you are seeking like minded 'fatalists' who look for comfort in being able to attribute doom to some larger cosmic order event such as The Rapture, that removes any sense of individual responsibility.

You are displaying disturbing traits normally attributed to Psychological trauma, you seek legitimisation by claiming to know  the precise end date. Your "Apocalyptic needs' are based on fear and loathing of our own mortality and this world and it's inhabitants.

Paradoxically knowing the precise end date IS the reason to stop worrying and prepare, and more importantly allow others (your God's so called gift) 'free will' to make their own decisions .Stop annoying everyone else with this tedious mumbo jumbo. I for one have no need of your twisted views, your predictions and your take on all that is and ever will be. Your obsession with good and evil is a classic symptom of the above.

I'm done I have other things to do, than post any more about this rubbish.

bravo - if you really are an atheist go live your life. live out that life has no meaning.
chemical chance.
if you are arguing with me you are undecided.

i'm not date setting I'm telling Christians that this is the season. It's been revealed by modern technology and by what is happening in Israel. This generation will not pass. will not sleep(die). the christians are leaving.the Jews have been in the land 70 years.

"Jesus’ point in His statement, “this generation will not pass away until all these things take place,” is that the events of the end times will happen quickly. Once the signs of the end begin to be observed, the end is well on the way—the second coming and the judgment will occur within that last generation. Jesus reinforced this meaning with a parable in Matthew 24:32–33: “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.” A sure sign of summer is the leafing of the fig tree; a sure sign of the end of the world is that “all these things” (of Matthew 24) are taking place. Those who are on the earth then will have only a short time left." quote

"Essentially, Jesus is saying that, once the events of the end times begin, they will happen quickly. The age of grace has continued for a very long time. But when the time for judgment finally arrives, things will be wrapped up posthaste. This concept of God’s drawing things to a rapid close is echoed in many other passages of Scripture (Matthew 24:22; Mark 13:20; Revelation 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20)." quote

2017 - 5777 means the end of grace. 5778 means grace ended and it's a new beginning.

Atheism doesn't work when we are still in God's plan - if you say that god doesn't exist in 300 years time you would be right. Because God's not keeping to his word, therefore derelict. but we are on point. perfect timing. the world is as it was described it would be 2000 years ago. I'm sorry you atheists are still blind to God's plan. you are just part of the great apostasy. the army of little anti Christs that will be swept away if you maintain this course. After the rapture.Satan will turn around and say God left you to me, he doesn't want you. this too is a lie. you still have free choice.

Stop talking complete tripe zorro!
it's easy to stay silent, this is all very senseless

I don't want a future, I want a present.

seems you want to argue with God.

that implies belief in God.

God's not the enemy, the other guy is in charge until you defer.

All the Muslims say you are Muslim until you profess otherwise.
it's he same deal. you are of this world until you opt out.

Atheists don't argue with god as he doesn't exist.
It's religious believers like you who talk to a non-existent god, do you realise how odd that is?
What rot you talk. I know lots of practicing Christians but they don't spout this rubbish.

that's because they are practicing, i'm the professional.

the lord God of Israel, the messiah ben David, Yeshua(Jesus, for the Church of England)
is returning to take away the harvest, the body of Christ, the bride of Christ.
the head was born 2000 years ago the body of believers will be born soon. After the rapture you atheists can continue to the pit or turn from your false beliefs of monkeys turning to men and pseudo science beliefs to explain God away. Your opinion is not important. God will sweep you away. You had your day. You made music lists,wrote libraries full of garbage, catagorized creation, made lists of colours, collected everything from dolls to beer mats,it was all distraction to fill your lives and avoid God. This life was a test on Faith and you asked for proofs. You failed the exam. you get a failing mark.

you will be moved to the remedial phase called proofs. God has taken away the faithful and you saw it with your own eyes or heard about it. Now you have to decide for Yeshua or the god of this world who's come out from behind the curtain. As remedial students, dooh, you can believe what your eyes told you or what Satan will say. Fail this part and you really are thick as mud?

It's high stakes poker now
Zorro playing full in for all the marbles.

Unfortunately this likely ends in one of two ways.
A realisation that nothing came of it, deflation and probably depression,
Or,
Institution for zorro.

i thought it either happens or it doesn't. I don't get depressed. i'm a fkin happy knut. there is too much i can be doing. never understood why people get depressed in a world of madmen. they are so funny. Spike Milligan I believe was the funniest guy in the world. Because all his humour is absurd. Absurdities are funny. repetition is the funniest thing in the world. People are running off to work a twelve hour shift with their diversion therapy. keepin busy boss.(ok Luke) They won't get the joke.

if it doesn't happen on schedule, i'll re watch my tv favourites.
more time to watch more guff.

'If it doesn't happen on schedule'....ffs writing your disclaimers already?

Or you actually don't believe all this as much as you like to think you do?

i'm in a world where my only sources of info is controlled by the enemy.
Satan is in control of most of the narrative.
therefore i rely on other people to be right in their analysis.
in my own investigation of two years, i have to take certain items as
being genuine. the dates of conflicts etc. but i know God exists as he's
interceded for me in the past. whether i can know the mind of God is another
question. i'm not a prophet. i'm a schmuck that sees a pattern.
the pattern looks airtight. but the intention behind the sign is unclear?
i'm taking it as the rapture because it fits and it's the next major action
that Christ will complete. the sign is not for the Christians, we don't need
signs, we live by faith. the sign is for the Jewish Nation. the Crown of twelve
stars is in Leo (the lion of judah's sign) it's aimed at the Jews.
the year says the end of grace, that means the church age is ending.
it's returning to the Jewish nation. So the rapture will happen first, making
the Jews look up. It makes sense, the majority of the church are oblivious to the sign.
They are saved so it's not really important to wake them up.
I noticed it because of the pattern, but if I was oblivious i'd still be raptured.
All the christians are leaving. it's a snatching away.
God's trumpet will blow and we'll all know what it is.

You talk of trust but how do you know which bits to believe?
How do you know the creation of God wasn't a satan double bluff and the story made to look like you are choosing the 'good one' and all attributable to him when actually it's just a front and a deception?

This is the problem with the concept of grasping for something to believe, the lack of evidence.
Many people look at events and assume them to be signs.
Just as I posted my last comment I heard the letterbox go and it turned out to be a local periodical from the church around the corner.
Was that a sign?
No, it was just coincidence based on the scattergun of attempting to collect as many into their belief system, since if it has no followers it retains no value...and they want support financially ofc.

Besides, it makes me smile when believers talk of signs.
Like they think God gets a hard on in painting obscurities for the sake of it.
Bertrand Russell referred to a god being at pains to conceal himself....and yet seemingly in the marketing department of gaining followers.

if he kept popping up - even Russel would believe, that's proof.
we have the faith described by the roman Centurion.
he does not need to see it happen, he gives an order and it is done.
Jesus rebukes the jews for not having such faith.

satan as lightbearer? isn't that masonic drivel? Luciferian BS.

your not a mason are you? dustybin.

Darwin's family were all masons. of course no proof he was a apron wearer.

'Keeps popping up'?
Drawing similes of events based on a pre conceived notion isn't quite evidence of any of these things being 'him'

Spotting him once in an unrefutable case would have been nice, let alone imagining everything you see and hear to be the manifestation of him.

Not Masonic, just a question as to verify the validity of info, it's almost as a cherry picking excercise. You have no idea what truth is when it's all presented from the hand and mouth of untrustworthy mankind, or worse, the insidious nature of something you hate.

i don't hate mankind, i hate evil which is ruling it.
a good percentage will be saved by God. Those that understand that there
is a higher authority than them. Trouble with you atheists is that you are
married to the idea that you are the boss. you are in control.
you have a garden lawn and you mow it and control it and it's your little kingdom.
stake a claim on God's land and think you are the rulers.
the land is reverting back into God's hands. the lease is over for man, and Satan
who took it off Adam. It would take man billions of years to get to what God plans
for the faithful, even if it's even possible?
I think God's gave us a good deal. We would destroy ourselves eventually, either by
deliberate action or by accident. he's left us pretty much alone for two thousand years
and there hasn't been a year that we haven't had a war somewhere on the globe.

Thursday, 25 May
Ascension Day 2017
Jesus ascended to Heaven.

Jupiter is actually popping outside the perimeter of Virgo on the 25th for 45 days.
Pentecost on June 4th. the holy spirit descended on the apostles then.

two of the possibilities on the board in the year 5777.

zipzap gone.

curious the pleasure it gives me to read zorros ramblings.

I'm a Virgo , the 25th God knows what that means.

A Virgo you say, quelle surprise

What happens after the 'rapture'  zorro ?  I don't know
I'm a bit afraid , and a bit not afraid.

Was it call Me? Or maybe The Tide Is High?

no no , it's picture this. That's her greatest song

Picture This was '78. Before Rapture x

remember there is life and there is death

That lovely things like Debbie harry exist ....is a lovely thought

I'd like to die listening to a piece of music, but of course that's impossible

something feels like it is missing, when I haven't heard any music ,
That's the best I can do to describe music

You are one of the smarter trolls on here x

someone borrowed my parallel lines album , and I never got it back.
I remember that all these years later : )

thanks crags, good to have you back .

4th dimension parallel universe

In a recent daredevil episode the villain pops up and DD says.. you, you're dead.
to which the villain responds - there's no such thing.

we are all immortal - Got gave us all an immortal soul. we sleep. some will not sleep.
it's in the bible, the rapture of the church is on the cards. It's the next action by Christ. the wedding feast.

the light of the world departs and Satan gets to use all his powers, which have been
subdued by God's presence(the holy spirit) that indwells in the church(believers in christ).
once removed the end comes quickly.

Satan is an angel, not a devil. He's had to work through people. But he'll come out from behind the curtain and conquer the world in no time. He owns all those that rule us. But he wants to rule even if it's only for a short time. bucket list.