put these 3 in order

Yes, completely agree. And anyone who thinks otherwise is a mug.

147

9 darter


Then a mile back for a hole in one.

Someone playing their first game of golf could get a hole in one. However the other two require years of practice.

nice answer lads pub said hole in one lol cos whats the odds of the ball traveling all that distance hitting the pin and going in[it happens just about every top tournament] then 147 then 9 darter will have to find another pub to drink in as johnny mustang has said they must be mugs

Jesus Christ was this pub attached to a mental asylum?!

Not that simple  when you consider how many people play each spor, the more people play a particular sport then surely the odds of it happening are greater

i once got a 147 ... a truly unforgettable moment 



in a game of darts .

it depends how far the hole is in golf, ..you dont see many holes in one on holes over 350 yards ...

but a hole in one in general is fairly common

hole in one is about 3000/1 per tee shot on a par 3, or around even money per tournament, (shorter at masters)

9 darter is about 20,000/1 ( i was told)

a 147 is quoted at around 6/4 at world championship

I got a hole in one playing off 14, not a chance in hell could I get a 9 darter and my highest break in snooker was 65 so a 147 is a complete non runner as well.
147
9 darter
Hole in one.

hmmmmm.

it's a difficult question

for an amateur it's definitely the order you state.

and even at the professional level, a hole in one is in third place.

but for professionals, a 147 and 9 darter are, i think, much closer.

Put simply, there's a limit on how accurate any dart player can be. Van Gerwen's record is somewhere around the 70% mark but snooker players, like hendry and o' sullivan have played tournaments with a 96% pot success rate. Obviously pot and perfect positioning on a single colour would be a litte lower but the gap is still very signficant.

.92^37 vs .7^9 are both at about 4%.

If we compare records since 2012, there have been 47 147s in professional competitions compared to 23 televised 9 darters. It's difficult to compare after that. Snooker frames obviously take longer, but my darts stats are only from televised matches.

You would need to pore through the number of snooker frames played in those competitions since 2012 and then compare it to the number of televised legs.

A break of 65 is very impressive Slippy.

maybe for golf feats you should take scoring 59 or less for a round

then it becomes more difficult than a 147 or 9 darter

I have had a hole in one lucky shot really ...had a couple of 180s in darts years ago but 14 dart finish the best and never scored over 30 in snooker

So deffo 147 the hardest

when there was a huge prize for a 147 they became a bit more common, maybe players
opening up the reds for a chance of £147k ?

now insurance companies wont fund the prize !

I think my biggest break in snooker was 8. Doubt that I could get that if I tried today.

a 9 darter is ****ing hard imho. anyone could get lucky and hit a hole in one .  to actually find out which is harder you'd have to take every frame of snooker ever played and every leg of darts ever played and see what percentage was a 147 or a 9-darter

I almost hit a hole in one when I was 11 for example but my highest snooker break is about 14, while it takes me about an hour to finish a leg of darts

After a bit of thought, I now reckon that it's easier for a professional snooker player to score a 147 than a professional darts player to shoot a 9 darter.

The reason I say this is because every darts leg presents the opportunity to score a 9 darter, but every snooker frame does not and the way the pack splits is largely beyond the player's control. We should only be comparing how often snooker players who have a possible chance of scoring a 147 against the number of 147s scored rather than the total number of frames.

1384 legs of darts played at this year's pdc alone.

so that's 2768 chances of a 9 darter and no-one did it.

Where does luck some into the equasion?

I can't see how adarts player can be unlucky, well unless someone opens a door and a feck off hurricane blows through. But a snucker player can always get a kick etc..

just because it happens more often does not mean it is easier to do.
the hole in one is most difficult.

And because someone could get a hole in one at 11, and Tiger Woods may never get a hole in one is evidence that it is more difficult.
not less difficult.

I got a hole in one when I was about 10, and haven't done so since in all these many years playing golf the best since is hitting the flag.
that shows how difficult it is.

now if I had made a 147 at a young age I would expect to do so again

1 - 147. 36 perfect shots needed.
2 - 9 darter. 9 perfect shots needed.
3 - hole in one. One perfect/lucky shot needed.

Someone who's never played these sports would have a chance of a hole in one, so long as they can hit a ball somewhere around 150 yards. A novice darter can hit 180's, but to hit it on the first throw, then follow up with six more perfect darts is almost impossible. You'd have to be a superb snooker player to get a 147.

I rarely play golf, but I've had a hole in one. I managed to get it up the ramp, through the windmill, and straight in the hole!

yes but that one perfect/lucky shot is more difficult to achieve than a series of 147 very good shots.
just because a shot can be said to be `perfect` doesn't in itself make it difficult

how many of those 147 shots are difficult, yes they are difficult to a degree, but how difficult? some will be easy, like shelling peas.

if there is something that can be done by practice it is easier to do than something that can`t be done by practice.

Nah. It's a lot easier to jump out of a plane without a parachute. No practice needed..

Ronnie O'Sullivan have the most maximums in the professional game with 13 ahead of Stephen Hendry who has 11.



Ronnie O'Sullivan and Jimmy White made 147s in consecutive frames during an exhibition in Ireland, in January 2009.

Peter Ebdon made 147s in two consecutive frames during an exhibition match against Steve Davis in 2003.

snooker.org

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/900_series_(bowling)

could you do that g2d?

exactly kenbo.

auditors give odds of about 25,000 to 1 for a hole in one for a novice.

let's say that a good amateur snooker player gets a feasible pack-split/table to work with and has a 25% pot and position accuracy (this is pretty high). he's 4722366482869645213696-1 to get a 147

An amatuer dart player with a 15% accuracy is about 20 million to 1 for 9 darter.

As i said before, the difference in snooker and darts is that dart accuracy flatlines at about 65%. Snooker can go much much higher with pot and "acceptable" position success rates (90% seems feasible)

Of course i could.

n 2006 Jamie Cope became the first player to record a 155 break. He did it in a witnessed practice match. Jamie is a professional snooker player from Stoke-on-Trent Staffordshire, England.

On 23 April 2003 Cope had made a 151 break on the match table at The Reardon Snooker Club (Hanley Stoke-on-Trent) during a practise game with David Fomm-Ward. After a foul shot by his opponent Jamie was snookered behind the Brown ball. He took the Brown as the free ball and then potted Blue, 8 Red and 8 Black, 2 Red and 2 Pink, 5 Red and 5 Black. Then cleared all the colours. He was 17 years old at the time.

Teenager Sam Harvey scored a break of 151 during a practice match at his home club in Bedford in November 2010. The 17-year-old was playing tour professional Kyren Wilson when he registered the score. After a foul from his opponent early in the frame, Harvey was left with a free ball, and potted the brown to a centre pocket, gaining position on the black. He then spilt the reds open and went on to pot all 15, taking 12 more blacks, two pinks and a blue before clearing the colours.

In 1995 Tony Drago's (Malta) (b. 22 Sep 1965) made a 149 in a practice match against Nick Manning at the West Norwood Snooker Club.

Drago broke off and snookered Manning behind the brown. Manning tried to escape from the snooker but left a free ball. Drago took the brown as the free ball and then the brown again for four more points and followed that with 15 reds, 13 blacks, a pink and a blue and all the colours.

Eddie Manning (Leicester, England) also achieved a 149, in 1997 at Willie Thorne's in Leicester. His practice partner was Kam (or Kan?) Pandya. Manning. Like Drago he took brown, brown, 13 blacks, pink and blue.

Stephen Hendry made a 148 in practice vs Alfie Burden in 1993.

I couldn't

I couldn't do it with a parachute, I`m scared to walk down to the end of my garden.

Kelly Fisher is the leader among the women. She has a 143 in competition and 20+ 147's in practice

I am; in case the faeries are aboot..

lfc1971 - Does your entire existence depend on disagreeing with the obvious?

Do you get some weird pleasure out of it?


Hope this makes sense:

A child could get a hole in one. Someone playing their first every round of golf could get one.

the smiley was to g2d

suspect you haven't bothered to read what I said eboue

when something is only partially dependent on skill and ability and age and height and strength and practice and intelligence and dedication and hours of practice etc, that is when it becomes more than just engineering or craft
and becomes an artform, that is more difficult than craft, perhaps  more difficult than science.

and who could disagree with that ?

yes donny , people imagine it's so easy so natural.
but naturally it's quite impossible :)

don't allow yourself to believe anything else.

until one person does all three then you will look good

What are the odds of O'Sullivan hitting a 147 in his next competitive frame of snooker. Against the odds of Tiger Woods hitting a hole in one in his first competitive shot at the 1st hole on Royal Lytham St Annes (par 3).



The answer would make tigers task look far more difficult

Ryan Taylor of soccer-am fame, not only succeeded in the crossbar challenge but nailed the Ten-yard 'golf' bucket challenge, all in his first attempts.

I can play darts, I'm pretty lousy at snooker, and I'm shocking at golf. But this would my list in terms of happening for me.

1. Hole in one
2. 9 darter
3. 147 break

Joe Bloggs can get lucky and hit a hole in one. Nobody could ever fluke the other two.

It would seem almost inconceivable for a top snooker player like Ronnie to go a season without a 147 in practise or matchplay. Likewise, for Taylor or MVG. Tiger went years without a hole in one, and if he didnt get one for 10 years, it wouldnt be unusual.

Comparing how many snooker players have had 147s against darts players getting nine-darters is a good start, but doesnt take into account that snooker players are probably better at their sport than dart players are at theirs (in my opinion), and so if the occurences were the same, then that wouldnt necessarily mean that they were equally difficult

My initial instinct was to agree with the original posters and have 147 as the hardest, but on reflection I would go for :

Hole in One
147
9 darter

My biggest argument with this list is that I have had a hole in one (a good shot but obviously lucky to go in), and cannot conceive of getting anywhere near the other two

In summary:

I don't know

147 - impossible to fluke

9 darter - unlikely to be fluked but not impossible

Hole in One - entirely flukeable

"Kelly Fisher is the leader among the women. She has a 143 in competition and 20+ 147's in practice "

I doubt a woman has ever achieved a 9 darter.

It depends what angle you come from.

If you had 50 million people and 25 million of them dedicated their life to snooker and the other dedicated their life to darts, there would be a lot more 147s than 9 darter imo.

You see more 9 darters these days because darts is played regularly by far more people.

It's not as easy to play snooker as regularly as darts. Do you factor in that in or not?  There are possibly 1,000 more dartboards in the country than snooker tables.

In terms of natural talent I think a 9 darter is clearly harder, but a 147 seems harder.

There are possibly 1,000 TIMES more dartboards in the country than snooker tables

You are comparing apples with oranges when it comes to amateurs v professionals.

For an amateur undoubtedly a hole in 1 is far more achievable. A hole in one is scored once in every 3,500 rounds with between 1-2% of golfers hitting one each year and 57% are made by handicappers between 10-19. This becomes virtually zero when amateurs try to get a 9 darter or a 147.

However, for professionals it's far easier to get a 9 darter or a 147 than it is to get a hole in one. The odds of a tour player hitting a hole in one are 3,000-1. The odds of a pro dart player or snooker player achieving a 9 darter or 147 are considerably less.

In practice professionals regularly hit 9 darters and 147's. They do it less on the big stage for obvious reasons. Yet a hole in one is still a rarity for a pro golfer. A tour pro the other day hit an ace and he said it's only his 3rd one ever (mid 30's). There won't be a top snooker player who hasn't hit at 10 x that. And for darts players it would be nearer 100 x. Every week in the PL we hear how the pro in the practice room hit a 9 darter prior to his match.

In golf you might play 5 par 3s a day.  In snooker you play, say a maximum of 25 frames, and in darts you could play, say a maximum of 250 legs.  So you have to factor that in too.

Also with golf you are not necessarily trying for a hole in one, in snooker you are nearly always not trying for a 147, yet in darts every game you are playing, you are aiming for a 9 darter.

...if you had to stake your life on it and had to pick the EASIEST option to live.


147 with O´Sullivian

or

fingers crossed and hope tiger flukes a hole in one.

If you had to stake your life on me doing one of them, which would you rather me attempt?

you can't compare something that can be achieved by a certain element of luck, such as a hole in one, and something that cannot be achieved by luck such as a 147 and assume that means getting a 147 is more difficult .
It just means it is not possible to do with luck.

Of course it is possible to get a hole in with with luck, but a hole in one is at the same time more difficult to do than get a 147 with ability and skill.

A 147 cannot be done with luck, but then that is the case with many things. That does not prove they are difficult to do in and of itself

we know a 147 is difficult to do, but it is very achievable by a skilled technician .
a hole in one is not achievable by anyone.

I did mention luck earlier. As no one answered i presume that is too difficult a question?

https://www.sportinglife.com/snooker/news/o'sullivan-denies-maximum-snub/60364

Obv as an amateur its far easier to hit a hole in 1, as you have a chance, the others you have no chance, especially a 147.

However if your life depended on it which of the3 options would you choose to save your life.

1/ Dustin Johnson to hit a hole in 1 in a tour event in 2017
2/ Mark Selby to hit a 147 in a pro event in 2017
3/ Michael Van Gerwen to hit a 9 darter in a pro event in 2017

My guess would be the last choice would be a hole in 1.

or even 1 frame, v 1 game of darts v 1 par 3 prob the hole in 1 would be everybody's last choice.

However it is the only 1 us mere mortals have a chance of achieving. Even I have managed to get 1

Blindfolded the hole in one is the easiest thing to do.

Agreed, Maleuk.

Selby will hit a 147 sooner or later. MVG will hit a 9 darter, (he was one dart away from having two in a row not long ago) but DJ could go the rest of his life without getting a hole in one.