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trento
25 Apr 17 17:23
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argument in pub last night put these 3 in order of difficulty 1. 147 in snooker. 2. 9 darter at darts. 3.hole in one at golf my opinion is 147 snooker no amateur could ever fluke a 147 at snooker 2. 9 darter its possible to get by a half decent player {but unlikely} 3.hole in one you see quite often in local papers man 65 gets hole in one etc  give me your positions with reasons and lets see what comes out on top cheers all

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By:
Johnny_Mustang
When: 25 Apr 17 17:26
Yes, completely agree. And anyone who thinks otherwise is a mug.
By:
Mr Eboue
When: 25 Apr 17 17:29
147

9 darter


Then a mile back for a hole in one.

Someone playing their first game of golf could get a hole in one. However the other two require years of practice.
By:
trento
When: 25 Apr 17 17:38
nice answer lads pub said hole in one lol cos whats the odds of the ball traveling all that distance hitting the pin and going in[it happens just about every top tournament] then 147 then 9 darter will have to find another pub to drink in as johnny mustang has said they must be mugs
By:
Mr Eboue
When: 25 Apr 17 17:47
Jesus Christ was this pub attached to a mental asylum?!
By:
Mick Sturbs
When: 25 Apr 17 17:49
Not that simple  when you consider how many people play each spor, the more people play a particular sport then surely the odds of it happening are greater
By:
Coachbuster
When: 25 Apr 17 17:59
i once got a 147 ... a truly unforgettable moment  Shocked



in a game of darts .
By:
donny osmond
When: 25 Apr 17 18:03
it depends how far the hole is in golf, ..you dont see many holes in one on holes over 350 yards ...

but a hole in one in general is fairly common

hole in one is about 3000/1 per tee shot on a par 3, or around even money per tournament, (shorter at masters)

9 darter is about 20,000/1 ( i was told)

a 147 is quoted at around 6/4 at world championship
By:
SlippyBlue
When: 25 Apr 17 18:11
I got a hole in one playing off 14, not a chance in hell could I get a 9 darter and my highest break in snooker was 65 so a 147 is a complete non runner as well.
147
9 darter
Hole in one.
By:
DStyle
When: 25 Apr 17 18:32
hmmmmm.

it's a difficult question

for an amateur it's definitely the order you state.

and even at the professional level, a hole in one is in third place.

but for professionals, a 147 and 9 darter are, i think, much closer.

Put simply, there's a limit on how accurate any dart player can be. Van Gerwen's record is somewhere around the 70% mark but snooker players, like hendry and o' sullivan have played tournaments with a 96% pot success rate. Obviously pot and perfect positioning on a single colour would be a litte lower but the gap is still very signficant.

.92^37 vs .7^9 are both at about 4%.

If we compare records since 2012, there have been 47 147s in professional competitions compared to 23 televised 9 darters. It's difficult to compare after that. Snooker frames obviously take longer, but my darts stats are only from televised matches.

You would need to pore through the number of snooker frames played in those competitions since 2012 and then compare it to the number of televised legs.
By:
Mr Eboue
When: 25 Apr 17 18:32
A break of 65 is very impressive Slippy.
By:
donny osmond
When: 25 Apr 17 18:40
maybe for golf feats you should take scoring 59 or less for a round

then it becomes more difficult than a 147 or 9 darter
By:
Scamp the man
When: 25 Apr 17 18:52
I have had a hole in one lucky shot really ...had a couple of 180s in darts years ago but 14 dart finish the best and never scored over 30 in snooker
By:
Scamp the man
When: 25 Apr 17 18:53
So deffo 147 the hardest
By:
donny osmond
When: 25 Apr 17 18:58
when there was a huge prize for a 147 they became a bit more common, maybe players
opening up the reds for a chance of £147k ?

now insurance companies wont fund the prize !
By:
Foinavon
When: 25 Apr 17 20:24
I think my biggest break in snooker was 8. Doubt that I could get that if I tried today.
By:
betting_masta
When: 25 Apr 17 22:31
a 9 darter is ****ing hard imho. anyone could get lucky and hit a hole in one .  to actually find out which is harder you'd have to take every frame of snooker ever played and every leg of darts ever played and see what percentage was a 147 or a 9-darter Confused
By:
betting_masta
When: 25 Apr 17 22:32
I almost hit a hole in one when I was 11 for example but my highest snooker break is about 14, while it takes me about an hour to finish a leg of darts Blush
By:
DStyle
When: 26 Apr 17 08:09
After a bit of thought, I now reckon that it's easier for a professional snooker player to score a 147 than a professional darts player to shoot a 9 darter.

The reason I say this is because every darts leg presents the opportunity to score a 9 darter, but every snooker frame does not and the way the pack splits is largely beyond the player's control. We should only be comparing how often snooker players who have a possible chance of scoring a 147 against the number of 147s scored rather than the total number of frames.
By:
DStyle
When: 26 Apr 17 08:23
1384 legs of darts played at this year's pdc alone.

so that's 2768 chances of a 9 darter and no-one did it.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 26 Apr 17 08:29
Where does luck some into the equasion?

I can't see how adarts player can be unlucky, well unless someone opens a door and a feck off hurricane blows through. But a snucker player can always get a kick etc..
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 17 09:11
just because it happens more often does not mean it is easier to do.
the hole in one is most difficult.
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 17 09:16
And because someone could get a hole in one at 11, and Tiger Woods may never get a hole in one is evidence that it is more difficult.
not less difficult.
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 17 09:20
I got a hole in one when I was about 10, and haven't done so since in all these many years playing golf the best since is hitting the flag.
that shows how difficult it is.
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 17 09:21
now if I had made a 147 at a young age I would expect to do so again
By:
s.kenbo
When: 26 Apr 17 10:00
1 - 147. 36 perfect shots needed.
2 - 9 darter. 9 perfect shots needed.
3 - hole in one. One perfect/lucky shot needed.

Someone who's never played these sports would have a chance of a hole in one, so long as they can hit a ball somewhere around 150 yards. A novice darter can hit 180's, but to hit it on the first throw, then follow up with six more perfect darts is almost impossible. You'd have to be a superb snooker player to get a 147.

I rarely play golf, but I've had a hole in one. I managed to get it up the ramp, through the windmill, and straight in the hole!
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 17 10:09
yes but that one perfect/lucky shot is more difficult to achieve than a series of 147 very good shots.
just because a shot can be said to be `perfect` doesn't in itself make it difficult
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 17 10:12
how many of those 147 shots are difficult, yes they are difficult to a degree, but how difficult? some will be easy, like shelling peas.
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 17 10:25
if there is something that can be done by practice it is easier to do than something that can`t be done by practice.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 26 Apr 17 10:27
Nah. It's a lot easier to jump out of a plane without a parachute. No practice needed..
By:
donny osmond
When: 26 Apr 17 10:29
Ronnie O'Sullivan have the most maximums in the professional game with 13 ahead of Stephen Hendry who has 11.



Ronnie O'Sullivan and Jimmy White made 147s in consecutive frames during an exhibition in Ireland, in January 2009.

Peter Ebdon made 147s in two consecutive frames during an exhibition match against Steve Davis in 2003.

snooker.org
By:
TheBetterBettor
When: 26 Apr 17 10:29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/900_series_(bowling)
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 17 10:29
could you do that g2d?
By:
DStyle
When: 26 Apr 17 10:30
exactly kenbo.

auditors give odds of about 25,000 to 1 for a hole in one for a novice.

let's say that a good amateur snooker player gets a feasible pack-split/table to work with and has a 25% pot and position accuracy (this is pretty high). he's 4722366482869645213696-1 to get a 147

An amatuer dart player with a 15% accuracy is about 20 million to 1 for 9 darter.

As i said before, the difference in snooker and darts is that dart accuracy flatlines at about 65%. Snooker can go much much higher with pot and "acceptable" position success rates (90% seems feasible)
By:
guinness2dear
When: 26 Apr 17 10:30
Of course i could.
By:
donny osmond
When: 26 Apr 17 10:30
n 2006 Jamie Cope became the first player to record a 155 break. He did it in a witnessed practice match. Jamie is a professional snooker player from Stoke-on-Trent Staffordshire, England.

On 23 April 2003 Cope had made a 151 break on the match table at The Reardon Snooker Club (Hanley Stoke-on-Trent) during a practise game with David Fomm-Ward. After a foul shot by his opponent Jamie was snookered behind the Brown ball. He took the Brown as the free ball and then potted Blue, 8 Red and 8 Black, 2 Red and 2 Pink, 5 Red and 5 Black. Then cleared all the colours. He was 17 years old at the time.

Teenager Sam Harvey scored a break of 151 during a practice match at his home club in Bedford in November 2010. The 17-year-old was playing tour professional Kyren Wilson when he registered the score. After a foul from his opponent early in the frame, Harvey was left with a free ball, and potted the brown to a centre pocket, gaining position on the black. He then spilt the reds open and went on to pot all 15, taking 12 more blacks, two pinks and a blue before clearing the colours.

In 1995 Tony Drago's (Malta) (b. 22 Sep 1965) made a 149 in a practice match against Nick Manning at the West Norwood Snooker Club.

Drago broke off and snookered Manning behind the brown. Manning tried to escape from the snooker but left a free ball. Drago took the brown as the free ball and then the brown again for four more points and followed that with 15 reds, 13 blacks, a pink and a blue and all the colours.

Eddie Manning (Leicester, England) also achieved a 149, in 1997 at Willie Thorne's in Leicester. His practice partner was Kam (or Kan?) Pandya. Manning. Like Drago he took brown, brown, 13 blacks, pink and blue.

Stephen Hendry made a 148 in practice vs Alfie Burden in 1993.
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 17 10:31
I couldn't
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 17 10:33
I couldn't do it with a parachute, I`m scared to walk down to the end of my garden.
By:
donny osmond
When: 26 Apr 17 10:34
Kelly Fisher is the leader among the women. She has a 143 in competition and 20+ 147's in practice
By:
guinness2dear
When: 26 Apr 17 10:35
I am; in case the faeries are aboot..
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