Trump's going in!

Are ye all scared of posting on my fred or summat..............

I haven't read your thread. I was commenting on tonights news.

Big mistake if he does, like every attack/invasion on any middle east country over the last few decades, will they ever learn.

He's done it!

Isn't this the kind of thing he explicitly said he wouldn't do?

the idea that the US was going to pull up the drawbridge and let the world fend for itself was always a delusion.

Britain backs the action.


I thought parliament voted against airstrikes against Assad. 

Dangerous macho  response, by the unstable ego that is Trump.

More dangerous than ignoring the use of chemical weapons?

The trouble is where does it stop/start you cant let Russia take one country after another
as with Hitler or do you show you will stand up to bullies Obama did'nt work, will this? maybe not
but may make Putin now rethink his intent in Ukraine etc.

Dangerous macho  response, by the unstable ego that is Trump.

Macho,unstable, ego? Emotive bullcarp

Dangerous? for whom?

are cruise missiles nicer than chemical weapons ?

Much nicer.

They were targeted at an airbase not at defenceless women and children.

people like farron and the libtards make me weep,suddenly we cant stand back and do nothing,farrons made a career out of voting against the iraq war,russia wont back a un resolution so what do you do
theres 70 people killed in this chemical attack ,syria ,russia will say collateral damage of war,saddam because he had nothing better to do on a sunday afternoon killed 100,s of thousands of innocent people in felluga,bush and blair did what farron and the libtards now want manufactured if you like a way of taking saddam down,and now the likes of farron and the libtards want blair and bush jailed for war crimes,their hypocrisy makes me vomit
sky and the beeb spend 6 hrs last night goading trump into taking action,now he has this morning their crucifying trump for going against what he said in the election,
reminds me of colonel jessop [ jack nicholson ] in a few good men screaming at  men screaming at tom cruise you despise the cover i give you so you can sleep at night,or words to that effect,

I've been very impressed by Trump since he's taken office.

They do a good job of killing each other over there whether the west intervenes or not. Learn from past failures and leave em to it imo.

Foinavon    07 Apr 17 09:26 
Dangerous macho  response, by the unstable ego that is Trump.

Macho,unstable, ego? Emotive bullcarp

Dangerous? for whom?

Emotive ? Nope, reality. Have you actually studied Trump ?

Dangerous for the whole world stupid !
The buffoon has his fingers on nuclear buttons.

Foinavon    07 Apr 17 09:35 
They were targeted at an airbase not at defenceless women and children.


Fire  57 missiles and you will always  have collateral damage.

Airbase today, somewhere else tomorrow. Where do you stop ?
And of course the subsequent retaliation isn't likely to be tit for tat is it ?

Assad crossed the red line, Obama did nothing.
Assad does it again so what do you do? Let him realise that he can do it with impunity?

Not dangerous for anybody but those at the airbase, nobody is threatening nuclear strikes.
More emotive BS

It seems that nothing we see on TV is provable any more foinaven, at least not in the short term. How they have managed to manipulate the news to such an extent that it is becoming meaningless is quite astonishing.

A return to republican unilateralism from a president who's domestic administration is in chaos.
It's all so predictable.

firing all stiff tom cruise missiles... penetration imminent .
took three minutes from start to finish.

Russia says that a stockpile of chemicals was hit on the ground by a bomb - nice excuse.

At least North Korea will be off the hook unless they go full hog crazy and attack them at the same time?

How can anyone be sure?
That erratic trump says one thing then hours later does another.
Watches a tv clip and then starts the missiles, based on what, domestic intelligence, the ones is fighting too and doesn't trust?

N.Korea is the real concern, what's he gunna do play proxy template and get South Korea wiped off the planet?
Or turn up with their own troops and get humiliated again and sent home packing.
He's about to get Japan sunk that yank fool.

So the warmongers couldn't resist afterall :D

What is the maths on the cost of 57 cruise missiles?

Apr 7, 2017 -- 10:54AM, dustybin wrote:

How can anyone be sure?That erratic trump says one thing then hours later does another.Watches a tv clip and then starts the missiles, based on what, domestic intelligence, the ones is fighting too and doesn't trust?N.Korea is the real concern, what's he gunna do play proxy template and get South Korea wiped off the planet?Or turn up with their own troops and get humiliated again and sent home packing.He's about to get Japan sunk that yank fool.

Do you have a legal obligation to worry about Japan and Korea? Or is it just moral?

This is about the use of chemical weapons not concern for the people of Syria.  No action was taken last time, no action this time emboldens not only Assad but every other regime.

America fears the use of such weapons against its own cities so a line has to drawn.  Doing nothing is always an attractive option but sometimes a statement has to be made.  Attacking only the airbase does this.

where is the proof the government used gas on his own people? nothing to gain but it does give the yanks an excuse,
Clinton would have done the same thing but I'm disappointed in trump as I thought he would different but I was wrong

Agree, im worried that trump is believing the press reports, thought he was smarter than that.

Hello Terry
  Well it gives Frankie goes to Hollywood the chance to
rehash Two Tribes does Trumpy hold the rights to the song i wonder

Maybe even a new video with Little hands v Ostrich legs

Do you really believe that, IS? You surprise me.

Trump.

Trump?

Trump's not going in. This is a sign the old guard is back in charge. The old cold war anti-Russia hawks. We can only hope the neocons are not also restored to power.

I wonder how many more Ukrainians this pre arranged act of trump bravado will cause....or perhaps they won't see the link or it won't be newsworthy or not important.

*how many more killed Ukrainians.

That trump is smart or that trump is acting like the puppet before him ?

Trump clearly serving the same war machinery that other presidents have served. Like Terry, I also thought maybe Trump was serious when he said america first, he's not interested in policing the world(by serious i only mean trump standard serious). He is also on record saying IS was created by the americans and that fighting them now is useless. But hey, you can't be an american president and not bomb a foreign country.

America fears the use of such weapons against its own cities so a line has to drawn
America drawing the line is only gonna worsen the matters, because we all know drawing the line means another invasion. How exactly can Syrian chemical weapons be used against american cities baffles me. Have the got the ability to hit America? Because last i checked america dont have the capability the other way round.

That Trump gets his information from press reports, IS.

I've seen a few reports that a Syrian bomb hit a rebel building containing chemical weapons, we may never know the truth. Escalating on the back of this unproven incident seems foolish, yet most were urging Trumpy to act yesterday

How exactly can Syrian chemical weapons be used against american cities baffles me.

I should imagine a lot of things baffle you.

Just to put your mind at rest.

Syria is not going to attack the USA.
The USA is not going to invade Syria.
Trump is putting the USA first.

Uncle sam's nose is out of joint because of the wrong type of killing.
Had the weapons used been the conventional ones then fine, nothing to see here....infact America got a whole list available for purchase....better still set up a terrorist organisation and you will get em for free.

I see, i was just connecting the press report and trumps reaction. Wherever trump got his info from it was incorrect. The non libtard world knows that the chemical weapon incident was a strike on a rebel store.

There's likely to be a lot more going on behind the scenes than we will ever know.
How is it that no Russian personnel were injured? Surely no happy accident.

The Russians were given the option of doing something about it, they didn't they were aware of what was coming.  This was a message to them more than anyone else.

didn't bush and blair have to make things up to get what they wanted? same here I'm afraid, nothing has changed

Putin would have been the first to know in advance of the intended strike, even the BBC seemed to know.

detraveller    07 Apr 17 11:07 
So the warmongers couldn't resist afterall :D

What is the maths on the cost of 57 cruise missiles?


$569,000 per missile.
$32,433,000 total

david icke was on richie allen audio cast this morning talking about the same thing it seems,you guys should take a listen,scary stuff.

At least the lies manufactured by bush and Blair were put before the relative houses.
Dictator trump just goes ahead....emphasis on the DIc

Apr 7, 2017 -- 12:19PM, Facts wrote:

detraveller    07 Apr 17 11:07  So the warmongers couldn't resist afterall :DWhat is the maths on the cost of 57 cruise missiles?$569,000 per missile.$32,433,000 total

Yeah i had similar numbers. So not a bad day at all for business. Pity a few dozens got killed. They'll be toasting on it tonight and laughing at how people are still arguing who's good and who's bad. Bottonline, as i walys say, war is a business, the greatest in the world.

by the way your estimate is for the cheaper versions of the missile. I guess the ones they used would be the latest ones, unless they were getting rid of old stock.

totally agree ^

Bolivia dishing it up to the yanks at the UN
The carpet has compleely been pulled from under the american representation's feet on this.
Drag em over hot coals ffs

Russia fully capable of hitting their  cruise missiles. But that's for the next time.

Corbyn and Farage united in condemning Trump today, and thereby ensuring plenty more appearances on Russia Today and plenty more approval from their comrade in the Kremlin.

Even by Pootin's standards this is one hell of a balls up. Puts everything into supporting Trump and attacking both the Democrats and the rest of Trump's party, and now he's left himself with nothing but enemies on every side in America. And he still has no idea how to extricate himself from the failed invasion of Ukraine.

On the plus side, he does have fans on the Betfair forum.

Corbyn leading the march for a "political solution". Good luck with that Jezzer!

Was looking at some of the drone footage of the 'destruction' caused by this attack, instantly got the impression it was to appease the hawks in Washington and the US press rather than cause Assad any real harm.

A few open air hangers knocked out with no planes in them, loads of photos of missiles, ammo etc all piled up around the place and still intact, no runways hit?  No casualties?  Given they spoke to Russia beforehand they probably all agreed to this attack together to keep people quiet back home about full on regime change.

As somebody who lost faith in Trump last night on hearing the news I've decided to give him a pass on this, in the long run its probably the best move he could have made.  Had he done nothing, the momentum from the usual suspects around him was heading down the regime change route.

Even by Pootin's standards this is one hell of a balls up

How exactly? Doubt doubt he cares whether he has any friends in America.

Yeah. That's why he hacked Clinton, showered Trump with praise 24/7 on Russia Today, then suddenly turned his press against him when the station's employee Michael Flynn was forced to resign.

Stop the war lefties demonstrating outside Downing St tonight.Pathetic!

They may not be the same ones protesting but it's cute if you think that only lefties have opposition to the bombings

Facts    07 Apr 17 12:19 
detraveller    07 Apr 17 11:07 
So the warmongers couldn't resist afterall :D

What is the maths on the cost of 57 cruise missiles?


$569,000 per missile.
$32,433,000 total

Thats a bargain for the PR



Considering the amount of javelins at $80k a go UK forces spunked blowing up Toyota Hilux's and mud huts in Afghan

the red car and the blue car had a race...

russia tv on freeview showing scorch marks on concrete of missile impacts. did they hit planes? i thought they were laser guided?

I am not a Chump fan but I am glad something was done.

I also want to give him the benefit of the doubt and imagine his action was altruistic.

Some interesting dynamics changing here.

Naturally we can assume that because he is in trouble at home he is shifting the focus abroad. Standard tictac of course but let's let it ride.

Bannon has been removed from a position and Cushner is establishing his authority. I think Cushner and Ivanka/Ivana/Melanie? Dierdrie ( whoever she is I mean Cushners wife, Chumps daughter ) are actually democrats / liberals and probably globalists. This will put them at odds with Bannon.

I dont think Chump has any politics. The people who voted for him will start feeling let down soon enough.

He has got budget problems coming up soon too.

I am really looking forward to see what happens next.

Terry, there is a major flaw with your posts on this subject, The flaw ( if that's the right word) is thinking you can influence the 'western psyche' that is assaulted daily. hourly with propaganda of the rich and powerful ( yes I know the rich are the powerful are one and the same thing) who think in, what I like to call, the six O clock news 'World view'.

It's nothing new, a propaganda used for millennia, accelerated by technology, with it's own dire consequences for the average person, who never have and never will count for anything in these world games.

Yes, war IS big business, but the ultimate (long term goal) is nothing to do with short term profits, although they help secure the means to an end. I won't continue , what's the point????????????.

I'm sure you Terry are one of the very few on here who know what I'm talking about.

The desired goal from those at the top in the West is the same as it has been elsewhere on the international level, to distablise countries to the point they can never recover.

Those not reading between the lines in this country look at Afghanastan, Iraq or Libya as failures but anarchy and instability was the end goal, you dont pump the brain power, money and time into these projects and come out as failures.  Its a bit like the decades old global "war on drugs", there is no expectation that it will ever be won but theres money being made on all sides, just look up what the likes of HSBC have been done for as evidence.

On the most basic level it makes life very easy for us to negotiate with puppet/tinpot leaders, giving free reign to the corporations of the West, if they dont play along then we support their opposition who eventually comply.  When a countries leader only expects to be around for 6 months they tend to make rash, poor value deals, same applies to those with limited control over pockets of land such is the case in Libya.

On a far deeper level, creating instability and chaos is as much a part of the control mechanism of our own lives in this country.  We are constantly being bombarded with distractions like office politics, consumerism, envy and a host of other distractions that us as a population have bought into wholesale, for most of us the hardest thing in the world is to be left alone with our own thoughts, which is a bit insane.  Some believe they are above the most obvious distractions like propoganda, gambling or social media but the truth is all of us have our own way of occupying ourselves into what amounts to little more than comfortable slavery.  Right now im sitting looking at two monitors with 7 tabs open all on different websites, any chance I have to think like a human being in silence is being zapped milliseconds later by another click.  I have a functioning brain and I'm doing the same thing everyone else is by treating it like the warzone of Syria, once I finish writing this post I'll probably go do some more bets for tomorrow, look up the news for updates, pick some music to listen to, maybe get the phone out and see what I'm doing tomorrow, that cycle will continue until I'm dead.

That is of course all preferable to asking other questions, like who controls my electricity supply and what happens if they flip the switch, who owns the land my house is built on or who owns the company that sends me money if I crash my car.  Its a very comfortable form of slavery that we've all chosen, rather than have chaotic life or death situations happen to us every day like the folks in Syria we occupy ourselves with a constant stream of distractions.

That is the end goal in Syria as it is for us here, we're supposed to be terrified of everything, we're supposed to be unstable, we're supposed to make irrational short term decisions.

I probably have more in common with a working class mexican, iraqi, russian, german, ghanaian or brazillian guy than I do a white british millionaire living less than a mile away from me, yet the guy in iraq is the one I'm supposed to be worried about?

Most of this may appear off topic to some but the analogy between the bombardment of thoughts we put ourselves through with media consumption here is a pretty good blueprint for what "we" want to happen on the international stage around the EU and elsewhere in the mid east.

I say "we" as ultimatley its us who goes out to vote for these clowns dropping bombs and enable the questionable journalism, theres probably plenty of normal folk ((including the many Christians there who support Assad) in Syria right now wondering wtf are we all doing supporting these war mongers?  What we're doing about it is nothing, we're too busy clicking on youtube links and worrying about what shirt to wear tomorrow night.

Syria is fked no matter what happens, it has been from the moment Assad stood up to the Arab Spring, theyve got about 2 decades of anarchy to come like Libya and Iraq have even if he wins.

FFS, stop telling it how it really is, you'll upset the compliant.

The forces of evil are too strong, it wont make a blind bit of difference, might aswell get it off my chest !

Yeah. That's why he hacked Clinton, showered Trump with praise 24/7 on Russia Today, then suddenly turned his press against him when the station's employee Michael Flynn was forced to resign.

So he doesn't care whether he has got friends in America then does he? He just wants to create division and cause disruption to whichever regime is in place.

Only seven tabs open You've got too much time to think. I have at least 22 open on two different browsers at the moment. (I'm not joking)!

We've always been up against it, but railing against is our heritage, is it not?

Apr 7, 2017 -- 11:19PM, Foinavon wrote:

Only seven tabs open  You've got too much time to think. I have at least 22 open on two different browsers at the moment. (I'm not joking)!

Bloody hell Foinaven, tech wise I'm lost!

We had our chance in 1919 when the country was riddled with Spannish flu, the country was broke, Socialism was sweeping through Central and Eastern Europe and we were over flowing with pissed off veterans and millions of rifles were in the general population.  Even as bad as things were then, even without an outlet like the internet to get their frustrations out, we still did our duty and got back into the regular day to day meat grinder.

With the advances in information technology over the past 100 years, theres zero chance of us ever being in a situation like we had back then, returning soldiers shouldve been burning down the manions, not trying to get back to into the factories they were dragged from in the first place.

As it happens I have a nice cup of coffee here, a couple of slices of cheesecake in the fridge, a movie to watch and a lunch with a nice lady to look forward to tomorrow.  Thankfully I've also got a perfectly ignorable and irrelevant outlet to air any disention without ruffling either my own or THEIR feathers.  That isnt an accident!

Its all firefox for me, cant stand googles single search/url bar, got betfair, oddschecker, betfair, youtube, reddit, youtube and a google search open   I should be occupied for at least 1 minute.

I always have MS Edge and chrome browsers open whenever my computer is on.
Chrome is generally better but this forum formats better on Edge.
Anyway, time to put it all to sleep as I'm off to bed to read on my Kindle.

I trust nobody, if I want information, I just ask the missus, job done,

So he doesn't care whether he has got friends in America then does he? He just wants to create division and cause disruption to whichever regime is in place.

Putin's head must be spinning, then, watching Clinton, McCain and the entire American establishment unite today in public support of Trump's actions and opposition to his own.

Another #epicfail from the St Petersburg pixie and his crew in the Kremlin.

What an erudite  post.

So he doesn't care whether he has got friends in America then does he? He just wants to create division and cause disruption to whichever regime is in place.

Putin's head must be spinning, then, watching Clinton, McCain and the entire American establishment unite today in public support of Trump's actions and opposition to his own.

Another #epicfail from the St Petersburg pixie and his crew in the Kremlin.


Why would his head be spinning? He gets to play the moral highground for America bombing another country and this time govt. forces. and gets to condemn then at the UN and knows that Clinton, McCain and the Amercian Establishment will be united until about another week before something else hit the headlines and they once again divide.

Clacher
I used to think like that, that the masses could and should take control but control isn't from the state it's from within the individual.
The system is 'unfair' and some do far better than others thank you very much, that itself isn't unfair if it was fair 'won', the unfairness comes when reward doesn't equal merit.
Our civilisation is a necessary evil, it's archaic and in many areas a lie, but it's more ordered than chaos and animalistic rule.

What I realised was that just because somebody is pecunious doesn't mean they are virtuous, and likewise just because someone opportunistic doesn't make them evil, all those elements are constant in everyone.
It is desire that has to be kept in check, the collective desire of the individuals.
Everyone wants more, they want to do as little as possible to gain it, and for the most part care nothing of the impact on others.
The flux that never fixes in foreign land is just the engine room to pay for the civilisation we enjoy.
The French Revolution culled the nobility....but it still exists. It always will return because it's in the design of the human to recreate, so rebelling is just a cycle as long as the human exists.

On other news....
Great to see planes taking off again from that bombed airbase to bomb the American backed terrorists who lost the attempted coupe.
That yank bird at the UN can tell all the guff she likes, they didn't have carte Blanche to bomb that air base it wasn't their decision to make, infact America should get sanctioned.....that won't happen, but what will happen is that Russia will continue and ultimately trump will fall as his erratic behaviour will be eventually sanctioned by the electorate and Putin will still be there.

Impecunious not pecunious

Trump's proposed increase in military spend was an indication of things to come. The US will continue to intervene all over the world when it's interests are threatened.

What is good for America is good for the world.

I would imagine he asked the Chinese first...

The Worlds two most powerful men sitting down for dinner together. I bet Putin loved that!

I was uneasy at suggestion that Russia and America were in some sort of new seedy agreement and that trump was putins stooge, and ultimately the end game might have been Snowden being handed over to the yanks.
Well I still believe Putin has something on trump that he's waiting to play his hand when required, after all he wouldn't have got him elected if not, but thankfully it's less likely they are actually agreeing.....having one nefarious power is worse than having two.

they didn't have carte Blanche to bomb that air base it wasn't their decision to make

I read your first post with interest Dusty but that comment made no sense to me. Shirley Might is Right?

That's not how the constitution of the UN works.
America acted judge jury and executioner in a unilateral manner.
Doesn't matter how many gunships you got, you don't make the decisions based on what you want the outcome to be if you are holding the UN in New York.

The UN has long been a busted flush. A toothless tiger with internal politics rendering it virtually useless.

GOT, indeed from it's inception, and playing with nomenclature has served only to put it in a league of puppet losers, It's never even had a smile on it's face, it's lacking in every desired human trait.

^^^save bluster.

Then don't house it then in the very country that dismisses it as pointless.
More duplicity.

Agreed dusty, but how do we achieve such a state.

Well its an over simplification, but either recognise it or don't.
Dont fanny around picking peanuts out of pooh choosing the bits you will subscribe to.

That's mine I'm using from now on, I have no shame, .