Sandy Hook massacre a hoax?

Utter freaks

Alex Jones is one of the most prominent supporters of the hoax theory - he's big pals with Trump

Alex Jones is one of the most prominent supporters of MANY hoax theories.


AT - what is your opinion of Sandy Hook.
Do you believe the people who "claim" their children were killed? Or do you believe Alex Jones?

Jones and his ilk are dangerous nutcases - they genuinely seem to believe it. Some of the families of the victims have been subject to hate-mail and stalking for taking part in this "hoax".

https://mackquigley.wordpress.com/2014/09/23/mother-admits-she-faked-emilie-parker-photo/https://mackquigley.wordpress.com/2014/09/23/mother-admits-she-faked-emilie-parker-photo/


The Parkers fecked up look at him smiling away and the mothers story about the photo

Why does Jones not just visit the town with David Icke and see what's going on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSueIejk2EE

they say the same about london




Gave himself away by disabling comments on  his video, knowing full well how ridiculed he would be, what a sad case.

CENSORSHIP SHOCK: Amazon.com bans investigative book 'Nobody Died at Sandy Hook' because it disagrees with government version of what happened

... he further explains that Amazon.com had already accepted his book for publication, then reversed its position when sales began to take off

Maybe they developed a sense of decency.

write to the families and tell them.

It begs the obvious question: What is so dangerous about Fetzer's book that Amazon.com must banish it from retail?
Perhaps 90% of Americans would take one look at the title and consider the book to be a complete joke from the start. They'd call it "loony conspiracy theory" material and wouldn't give it a second thought. So why bother banning it? Or is the book so compelling that it runs the risk of making "believers" out of former skeptics?

If "Nobody Died at Sandy Hook" is filled with complete nonsense, then why risk making it a sensation from the censorship angle alone?
Amazon.com sells all sorts of books filled with complete nonsense, including the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders,
5th Edition: DSM-5. If a book's factual basis is the determining factor for whether it should be carried by the online retailer,
then half of Amazon.com's inventory must now be reviewed and possibly pulled.

Clearly, something in "Nobody Died at Sandy Hook" has the powers that be so frightened that they are desperately trying to memory hole the book.

You must always believe the official version of events and not question anything or we'll set Mr Haven on you to call you names.

so who thinks it never happened?

Make My Hay - I always see you on these sort of threads. What do you think about the false rumour that infowars helped spread about the pizza store owner? Do you need to see things to believe them? Feel free not to answer but what do you think about the holocaust? happened or made up by various govts?

Here is a link to Jones:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/alex-jones-is-very-very-sorry-for-that-pizzagate-stuff

Objection ...loaded  and leading question.

And also a very risky strategy comparing The Holocaust with "pizzagate" whatever that is/was or purported to be

I often feel things are not as they first appear but then i think it would be virtually impossible to stop one of the crisis actors going rogue and telling the truth.

Alex Jones is making money from being a nutjob.

Not really breadnbutter- I have found that many conspiracy theorists are also holocaust deniers and was just asking if Make my hay was also one. We have had them on here before btw. Pizzagate (dems accused of running pedo ring) was just showing an example at what can happen when people like Jones help spread these false stories. Some people are so determined that the government must be doing something nefarious all the time they will just lap this stuff up.

Hi HH - thank you for your interesting questions. I think I can answer them all by just saying that if I see a  story in the news which doesn't look right then I'll look into it a bit more and  come to my own verdict, after looking at the facts. Which I think everybody should do rather than just excepting what they're being told. Is that so bad?

You should challenge everything the media reports, in france today their was an accidental explosion, not sure how you can accidentally explode anything.

This link is very interesting.

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http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2013/04/boston-marathon-crisis-actors-2450330.html

Looking in to stories further is not the issue for me. Where do you go to check on the 'facts' is it just places like infowars or do you look to media from different areas of the political spectrum? Also, you didn't really answer the holocaust question.

IS what are your thoughts on the Boston marathon if you don't mind me asking, do you believe the official story?

so who here doubts the Sandy Hook massacre actually happened?

in france today their was an accidental explosion, not sure how you can accidentally explode anything

so all explosions are always deliberate?

Hank how do you resource from different areas of the political spectrum ? , media is 99% libtard.

Not made my mind up mmh, the images of a bloke with a clean bone sticking out is laughable, but is the image real ?  I still dont get the motive for staging the boston attack.

You read the story AT ? (france)

many Americans believe it didn't happen

Most americans have never left the USA.

HH I don't check my facts with infowars,  usually I look at film clips of the incident, check time of events, look at interviews with the witnesses.
I would have thought the holocaust happened, not  100% certain though.

Print a few 'altered' photos online and you'll get a following.

Some conspiracy theories probably are true, not this one though IMO. I think the trouble is the more outlandish claims tarnish other events that really should be questioned but people are afraid of being labelled a "loony conspiracy theorist" A more interesting thread might be to list all the well known conspiracy theories and see who believes what.

IS - I'm going to leave you this link about  the Boston marathon because I think you may actually watch it. I watched this over 2 years ago, before I saw it I believed everything the media  told me, not anymore.
It's very long but it will tell you what you need to know. There are 3 parts, this is part 1. Start it at 4.20.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTqHlVxUw3A&t=1218s

I have a feeling i have watched it before, cheers mmh. Im clicking now.

I believe nothing the press tell us, just read about the berlin lorry attacker and the report the irish press have somehow collected. if true, we are fooked, well i know that already.

I think the sheer number of people who would have to be in on these conspiracy theories is enough for me to dismiss them in the main.
The Boston Marathon falls into that category.

I sort of agree aka, but the non bleeding from the chap in the wheelchair is ridiculous.

Can you explain this ?

Apr 1, 2017 -- 9:21PM, lewisham ranger wrote:

many Americans believe it didn't happen Most americans have never left the USA.

Thats a pretty useless fact in the context of the thread  ,what does it mean ? what is it meant to mean and what are you really implying ?

could you pull a link up to prove the statement please ?

America is a big country ,massive ,many diff types of people , views and opinions ,anyone who trys the typical american stereotype stuff is uniformed imo

But how truthful is your assessment ,could you back it up from a reliable source ,lets see what your most is versus the facts and while your there could you put the figures up for Russia ,India,Iran ,china ect and lets see what we are dealing with and have some comparisons .

or are you comparing america to say the european countries ,how about how many from the EU travel outwith the EU as well ?

A falsified image possibly?
Remember there are training exercises taken all over the world, very easy to mix images/clips of faked and genuine casualties.

aka, your answer is crap. Falsified ?

The image is on the video and pictures.

What's to say they haven't been altered?
How many people were involved in this incident.
Do you think they could all keep quiet about it?

From what i think they are video captures, im probably wrong.

I like you find it amazing how they can keep them all quiet. But then the illuminati rule the world.

The illuminati? On that note I'm out, goodnight.

You must always believe the official version of events and not question anything or we'll set Mr Haven on you to call you names.


something a child would post, why makes things up, I don't call people names (hence why I don't get banned) and I have held suspicions about 911 for years which I've relayed on here, but if you actually think Sandy Hook has been made up then I dread to think what else you think is fake....world war 2?

I don't call people names - why makes things up

You called someone a "sad case" for questioning the events which happened in London.

that's an accurate description of someone who makes a video like that.

If people actually that the deaths of 20 children have been made up to stop the gun lobby then there have serious issues.

And I geniuinly can't believe you said that you're not 100% sure the Holocaust happened

I think some people can no longer tell the difference between Real Life and the virtual reality they seem to live in. It's like every major even that happens is a conspiracy, at least come up with some hard core evidence, not the big ben clock being the same time as the length of a youtube video

Are you  100% sure the Holocaust happened? I'm about 99% sure, I mean I wasn't there.

Replace Sandy Hook with Dunblane.
Then imagine a similar claim.

We weren't there either, but do we doubt it happened?

This sort of thing epitomises most of what's bad about the internet.

MMH- The is no doubt the holocaust happened - not even a 1% doubt and the fact that you have any doubt shows how dangerous such sites as infowars, Breitbart and others are.
But then people look at them and it earns them money.

thought you were one of the brighter ones, must be fishing?

I wasn't there but I wasn't there during the Srebrenica massacre either but it still happened.

Some conspiracy theories are plausible...but faking deaths on that scale? you'd have to be living in La La land.

MMH- The is no doubt the holocaust happened - not even a 1% doubt and the fact that you have any doubt shows how dangerous such sites as infowars, Breitbart and others are.

yeah, there's one born every minute.

Such a ridiculous comparison, a plane crash to a run.

I did like studyform and his hidden libtardism, but he used to hide it.

Apr 1, 2017 -- 8:11PM, ieff7 wrote:

It begs the obvious question: What is so dangerous about Fetzer's book that Amazon.com must banish it from retail?Perhaps 90% of Americans would take one look at the title and consider the book to be a complete joke from the start. They'd call it "loony conspiracy theory" material and wouldn't give it a second thought. So why bother banning it? Or is the book so compelling that it runs the risk of making "believers" out of former skeptics?If "Nobody Died at Sandy Hook" is filled with complete nonsense, then why risk making it a sensation from the censorship angle alone? Amazon.com sells all sorts of books filled with complete nonsense, including the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th Edition: DSM-5. If a book's factual basis is the determining factor for whether it should be carried by the online retailer, then half of Amazon.com's inventory must now be reviewed and possibly pulled.Clearly, something in "Nobody Died at Sandy Hook" has the powers that be so frightened that they are desperately trying to memory hole the book.

Sometimes feelings, taste and decency override profit.
If there was a book called 'Hillsborough never happened, or was set up by Liverpool supporters'
It would rightly be pulled - there would be outcry and Amazon would lose half it's UK business overnight.
So the obvious question has an obvious answer.

Some conspiracy theories are plausible because they're MADE plausible by people spending lots of computer time on doing so.

All trying for a tiny bit of fame or notoriety.

WTF are you talking about Sonko?

Just to help you - as you seem confused.... on many levels....
Dunblane was The UK's worst ever school shooting.
Sandy Hook (what this thread is about) is the site of a US School shooting.
So, please explain what I wrote that you don't understand (this time).

It's like the sodding anti-masons on here

"Libtard!  Snowflake!  Buttercup!" on every thread, no matter what the subject or what people say.

The point about Dunblane is a good one because it might bring home to people how stupid it is to suggest Sandy Hook didn't happen, Dunblane being closer to home n' all - and the fact Andy Murray was there. You just can't fake stuff like this.

Study as per usual is making good, rational points.

Apr 1, 2017 -- 11:51PM, Ibrahima Sonko wrote:

Such a ridiculous comparison, a plane crash to a run.I did like studyform and his hidden libtardism, but he used to hide it.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This makes NO sense^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Just an personal attack (using your phrase) on me. For no reason at all.

Losing what?
To Who?

Mind you, you got one thing right in your 12.08/09 post.

ALL these so called ' False Fkag '  claims are utter nonsense. Fuelled by conspiracy theorists who are complete nut jobs.

maybe Brexit didn't happen? it's just a hoax perpetrated by the elite to keep the populists quiet -the remoaners just carefully planted sock-puppets to add to the effect? meanwhile we're always going to be in the EU and the elite in Brussels are chuckling away

who do we believe - loonies like Jones who think they've spotted "anomalies" or thousands of professionals from all over the world?

Just wasted a couple of minutes on that pathetic Aussie narrated sh1te about the Boston marathon bomb.

The half-wit going on about people with ripped jeans and no damage to legs. Had he walked out of his bedsit during daylight hours once in a while he might have noticed that ripped jeans are everywhere and not because everyone wearing them has been injured in a bomb blast.

tbh don't know why I am bothering to reply to a thread questioning the veracity of a school massacre. Fooking pathetic.

I took the time and trouble to watch some of the YouTube videos on this Sandy Hook conspiracy thing. It seemed so ridiculous the first reaction is to dismiss it all as delusional lunacy. The impression I came away with after watching several hours of talking heads is that it is almost all offensive nonsense and there was no cover up. I do concede that some interesting points were made by the conspiracy theorists, but nothing that would make me change my mind.

Facts - I disagree that ALL so called false flags are nonsense. Most are of course but some of them later get accepted as fact.

don't know why I am bothering to reply to a thread questioning the veracity of a school massacre.

The purpose was not to question it-  of course it happened. The thread is really about those loonies who doubt it. Alex Jones is big pals with Trump. The folk of Sandy Hook have asked Trump to disassociate himself from the hoax theory - so far he hasn't. Given the nature of Trump's support this is not a position he wants to be put in. It's a measure of the point we have reached. How on earth did we get here?

Radio 4 have a programme about this today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-39194035

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04xtpzf


For this to be "staged" how many people would have to be involved & stay silent. Parents , extended families, friends, survivors, friends & family of survivors, police, medical workers, lawyers etc.

We live in an age where many find it impossible to take the family to the beach for a day without telling 500 Facebook "friends" - yet total silence from the 1000's of "actors"

Where is the evidence of this hoax? A 30 minute loon-tube video talking about motive is hardly evidence.

Hi Torq.
If you look hard enough at anything, you can ' find clues' that can be made to fit pre conceived theories. It really is utter nonsense.
Can you provide some valid examples please of ones that were 'real' false flags.
Thanks

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Exactly.

Trying to contrive some way to link the Sandy Hook massacre and loony bully boy conspiracy theorists to Trump is pathetic.

I ain't no historian Facts and you can google "conspiracy theories that turned out to be true" as easily as I can - but there definitely are SOME that later became accepted as fact. Off the top of my head that torpedo attack that escalated the Vietnam war comes to mind. To state that ALL conspiracy theories and false flags are "utter nonsense" is just to be in blind denial and serves no purpose other than to blinker yourself.

I concede MOST are nonsense - but definitely not ALL.

Plus if course it's not just the 'good guys' who are guilty of engineering false flags. I hate to be the first one to mention Nazis but I bet those lot told a few whopping great lies to the German people to gain support. Ditto for other tyrants the world over. False flags do exist and are fact.

lol at bread and butter over the top reaction to my one short comment.

presumably he's never left his living room

Trying to contrive some way to link the Sandy Hook massacre and loony bully boy conspiracy theorists to Trump is pathetic.

Trump has been on Jones' show recently. Trump has been asked to disassociate himself from the theory. This is something he does not want to have to do.

is 2015 recently ?

not for a goldfish I suppose

Pmsl at Ibra's 00:08 post.

That was the one where he called himself the C word, but has since been deleted.

What makes me laugh is the suggestion that the people standing around in shredded clothing were just making some kind of fashion statement rather than pretending to be bomb blast victims

LOL, get me a drink two!

Surprised anyone could fall for the nonsense in that clip.
Easy to mix fact and fiction nowadays. Always a mug somewhere to believe it.

Apr 2, 2017 -- 10:05AM, lewisham ranger wrote:

lol at bread and butter over the top reaction to my one short comment.presumably he's never left his living room

???  over the top ?  i only wanted to challenge your presumptuous statement about Americans ,haveing been there several times and have family and friends that live there i felt the second bit of your "short comment " needed expanded on and challenged you to think about it in comparison to other countries.
America being one of the richest nations on earth it would be strange if poorer countries had a population that was more travelled.
I also wanted to make the point about the size of the country and to make you think about a comparison .

Your second reply confirms you ain't got a clue about anything ,trying to imply i have dont understand the american mindset ,lol ,waht a mug

I haven't looked at any links except the crisis actor one posted by M Diva. How are these explained?

the FBI called it "a false flag killing" the whole thing was total bullsh1t it seems,
the government shocking people to change the gun laws?

the FBI called it "a false flag killing

You got a link to that terry?

Here you go akabula   

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/8tabledatadecpdf/table-8-state-cuts/table_8_offenses_known_to_law_enforcement_by_connecticut_by_city_2012.xls#disablemobile

FBI crime statistics curiously appear to show that no murders occurred in Newtown, Connecticut, in 2012, despite reports that numerous schoolchildren and faculty members were slaughtered during a shooting rampage in December of that year.

snopes .com,almost at the bottom,from a 2014 article

That link not working MMH.

snopes.com terry? You at the wind up?

it is, I just tried it - try it again.

I have and it still aint working for me.

no wind up, here's terry's link too.

http://www.snopes.com/info/news/sandyhoax.asp

What's the source of the link?

snopes is a joke.

FBI crime statistics  - Click 2012 - then Click Violent Crime - scroll down and click table 8 - CONNECTICUT then to down to Newtown and  you'll see no murders were committed in 2012

https://ucr.fbi.gov/ucr-publications

so the FBI aren't part of the conspiracy?

STUDYFORM

Sometimes feelings, taste and decency override profit.
If there was a book called 'Hillsborough never happened, or was set up by Liverpool supporters'
It would rightly be pulled - there would be outcry and Amazon would lose half it's UK business overnight.
So the obvious question has an obvious answer

There was a cover up and conspiracy.  Cops blamed the fans and the papers bought into it.

,lol ,waht a mug


you need to work on your spelling mate.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/8tabledatadecpdf/table-8-state-cuts/table_8_offenses_known_to_law_enforcement_by_connecticut_by_city_2012.xls#disablemobile

FBI crime statistics curiously appear to show that no murders occurred in Newtown, Connecticut, in 2012, despite reports that numerous schoolchildren and faculty members were slaughtered during a shooting rampage in December of that year.

Just out of curiosity ,was it a federal crime?

there are no Atom Bombs or missiles, they just blew up lotsa dyno mite - hoax
Kennedy is still alive and living with Elvis.
the six million Jews were never killed in the war - they  were taken away by space aliens.
when you eat spacedust with cola your head will explode.
richard dawkins is a man, not an inhuman monster.

and we were all created by a magic sky fairy.

aint that the truth!

Somebody is claiming the zero Newtown murders is down to them being recorded as a State Crime rather than a lical Newtown crime.

Is there actually any evidence that these murders were faked by thousands of "actors". Or just long YouTube video with lots of time spent on motive & no evidence produced.

Been over 4 years , would some of these "actors" have said something by now ?



https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-fbi-says-no-one-killed-at-sandy-hook-included-in-ct-state-total.t4570/


http://www.dpsdata.ct.gov/dps/ucr/data/2012/Crime%20In%20Connecticut%20COMPLETE%202012.pdf

That hoax guy is calling it on Russia...blaming it all on the masons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIBzfFdjRmY

Can't really understand why anyone thinks this was a hoax - makes no sense to me.