British born

I'm glad I don't consider myself to be British anymore, I would be ashamed to death.

No surprise at all to learn that 'the accused' is British born.  If, as a country, you do everything possible to deny there is an Enemy Within, don't be surprised if that problem flourishes and grows. The Useful Idiots and Obfuscators have naturally assisted in this process massively.

But the other two still apply, right

Islam first- not british first. More aligned to a foreign culture than Britain.

no doubt amzzam,choudray and co have had lots of kids uk born ,probably plenty we dont no about

: ) well I don't know baron you may be right .
I can only be what I am and not what I am not.
And if this sort of thing is British I am glad not to be so anymore

now is that mad, or does it make sense ? It does to me

Social media still talking about the Muslim named by Ch4 yesterday, which they later had to retract with an apology saying he was in prison. If it turns out to be him after all what the hell is going on? What a fiasco! The police know who the murderer is, he was known to intelligence, so let the public know as well.

What you have to realise is that there is no such thing as Britain anymore
It is divided from top to bottom and east and west . They believe different things in all aspects of life
politically , culturally , in religion and values from the most important and trivial even in things that can lead to
death and in the freedoms of democratic life,
Everyone is different , they are not the same either inwardly or outwardly
There is no such thing as being British, look around, listen to what people say, listen to what they believe, it will have nothing to do with you .

I saw a video of people running away from the site and it was clear there weren't many natives among them. I don't know much about British history but can we pinpoint a certain event after which the multi-culturalism started? Was there a point where people said we 'welcome' immigrants or was there a point where they said we 'need' immigrants?

and how did you know who were the British?

the natives as you call them

I dont know who the british were. or the natives. But im just wondering if there was a starting point to the influx of asian and african people into britain(assuming these people are the trouble makers) and if that influx was more of a we are being nice to them or we fecking need them?

Like if you talk about Germany, you'll see so many Turks here that they think its their right to hold political activities in Germany for elections in Turkey. And we know we invited them here in the 60s because we fecking needed labour. Did something similar happen in Britain?

I know that many people in the subcontinent were awarded land in Britain because the british govt needed to acquire their land in the subcontinent. That explains why they are into their third and fourth generations. Did anything else happen?

well I think you are wrong about Germany, and I suppose you will think I am wrong about Britain

OP deeply disappointed that the terrorist wasn't an immigrant.


The right wing is ISIS's ally in this country, they are so easily manipulated.

His name is Blair...

well I should think the fact he was British born rather proves the fears of the right wing to have been right , and the leftists wrong

Mar 23, 2017 -- 8:58AM, lfc1971 wrote:

well I think you are wrong about Germany, and I suppose you will think I am wrong about Britain

That is what i know about germany. I won't say i am correct 100% but I don't think there is any other explanation for so many turks in Germany. And i'd love if someone can give me a similar event about Britain.

Any news of the reported 'accomplice' that was supposedly in the killer car with the 'accused'?

There was a lot of talk yesterday (admittedly from over-excited TV tabloid 'journalists') that there was a 'bald white man' seen beside the other occupant of the car. Needless to say the 'bald white man' was hurriedly promoted to pre-eminence in the terror event in the bits I saw.

Any news of this missing man, or was he just a hitch-hiker being given a lift to Westminster by the helpful killer driver?  He surely can't have disappeared into thin air?

no there was no similar event, of course people will say we needed NHS workers from abroad in the 1950s
I suppose that might be possible, but we seem to still be needing them today and that makes me suspicious that they
maybe hadn't thought about anything very logically
I don't know why

Is there any immigration into Germany today detraveller ? They will have a new reason this time perhaps

Those thousands , millions? of Turkish workers that Germany needed
how was that, did they all find employment?

I see there have been complaints about English football fans at the match last night singing
'10 German bombers' to the tune of 10 green bottles
the RAF shot them down
disgraceful

we don't like to see such behaviour from the English, that's how wars are started

erdagoon the turk head of the new ottoman empire is saying no european will be safe to walk the streets

and not from some dirty filthy right wing rag

nice fella

and he has a lot of support in europe

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-erdogan-germany-netherlands-warning-europeans-not-walk-safely-a7642941.html

he has also told turks in europe to have 5 children each

shades of mr Gaddafi

Lower league clubs tend to follow Engerland around the most as their own team is shíte. Most of these are Norfolk scramblers and Nuneaton ladyboys..

I'll try and answer your question as best I can, Det.
The two main events which changed this country were WW2 and the dismantling of the British Empire. We had to rebuild after the war with reduced manpower and no money and the peoples of the former empire were given the option of claiming a British passport.
I was born in an industrial city close to the end of the war in 1945 and until about the age of ten the only foreigners I saw were either Polish or Irish. The first commonwealth immigrants were from the Caribbean in the 50s and 60s and they were mainly employed in the growing numbers of factory jobs and the health service. On a personal note, my wife came here as a trainee nurse in the late 60s.
There were also a growing number of immigrants from India and Pakistan (Bangladesh being East Pakistan at that time). I saw many Sikhs working on the buses for example.
A big influx occurred when Idi Amin gained control of Uganda and expelled many of the Asians from that country. Many came here looking for asylum and created many businesses. Around this time the Government changed the status of the passport qualifications for foreigners in an attempt to stem the flow. Different governments have had different attitudes towards immigration and the Blair governments from 1997 to 2010 appear to have had an almost open door policy as the numbers swelled significantly during that period.
I don't claim to have any special knowledge about this and some may disagree with my conclusions so let's hear from them.

^ '... the Blair governments from 1997 to 2010 appear to have had an almost open door policy as the numbers swelled significantly during that period.'
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Precisely because BLAIR knew that they would all be told to, and so do, vote LABOUR.

Two people (one a candidate at the stoke bi election) have been arrested for anti islamic  whoops I mean incitement etc

free speech going down the pan

The guardian dare not open a comments column despite numerous topic headlines and stories.  They are more concerned about writing articles about the Right wing(?) using the situation.
But odd how most other newspapers have opened comment columns  I wonder why this might be.

Mar 23, 2017 -- 10:32AM, moisok wrote:

Two people (one a candidate at the stoke bi election) have been arrested for anti islamic  whoops I mean incitement etc free speech going down the pan

doing isis's work - they will prob get their legal expenses paid by Abu fkr

More on the 'British born'

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https://order-order.com/2017/03/23/attacked-named-khalid-masood-52/

Just testing. My posts seem to be getting removed.

spot on CJ

Its a disgraceful position to take.

Dave wrote something similar on my earlier thread. Post and entire thread since deleted by the mods.

Not sure what's worse, an immigrant doing that or a UK passport holder doing it.

The fact that a British citizen would want attack people in such a cowardly way then storm Parliament makes me lean towards the latter.

I think 12 nationalities are represented among the victims. One can only hope the disdain for Islam will grow across the world.

Mar 23, 2017 -- 12:07PM, Platini wrote:

spot on CJIts a disgraceful position to take.

My post asking dave1357 to apologise for his crass statement has been removed.

To anyone looking on, judging people by their nationality or race and not their deeds is wrong no matter if you feel someone is on your side.

I'll keep posting that even though someone seems to have a problem with it.

Bloke called Adrian

Born in Kent, childhood in quaint, nostalgic Rye (and possibly here in Eastbourne)

Dave1357 has a history of posting abuse CJ. Look at the Dusseldorf thread last week, he cannot help himself, whenever he starts losing an argument he starts getting abusive.

It is a failing of many of the left wingers on here. Studyform is the same, whenever he starts losing an argument he resorts to calling people the c-word. Those posts always quickly get removed by the mods but how he keeps getting away with it I don't know.

because his name was Adrian and he was born here...........its now got nothing to do with islam....

like the 29 child rapists in Huddersfield, nothing at all to do with islam eh ?

totally agree.......now they are saying he was just a criminal.......all these people who kept silent are now  loudest in saying it had nothing to do with islam........that's rubbish.

there are loads of white black muslims..........why.........they are not real muslims......its got nothing to do with race............its what the person believes...........this man was speaking for islam..........his actions were not criminally motivated but religious motivation ...so his colour or name is irrelevant

I dont know what I hate more. That people were killed or that I can't do much on internet or tv without coming across someone paying tribute and showing solidarity and vigils and what not. Getting sick of the routine to be honest. Brits are so lucky even the Eiffel tower lights were turned off to pay tribute to the dead!

Oh my even the Brandenburg Gate was colored in British flag!

What's the point? Only Trump is silent. Imagine if this was an immigrant. Trump would have published a full lecture on twitter.

detraveller you seem to have left a fred you were involved in. Any reason?

Yes guinness. I asked 3 very simple questions. But as is almost always the case, everyone starts talking about how muslims have been killing everyone since the 6th century.

So you lost again.

Don't let it bother ye so much, you should still fight back; so to speak..