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28 Feb 17
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It seems that there are credible scientists who take this seriously.
It's not a theory I subscribe to but if it did have any basis in fact, it raises the perennial question where did the simulators come from?
I don't profess to understand the physics or mathematics but like quantum theory, it all seems more like philosophy than science to me.
It's not a theory I subscribe to but if it did have any basis in fact, it raises the perennial question where did the simulators come from?
I don't profess to understand the physics or mathematics but like quantum theory, it all seems more like philosophy than science to me.
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At our current stage of technological development, we have neither sufficiently powerful hardware nor the requisite software to create conscious minds in computers. But persuasive arguments have been given to the effect that if technological progress continues unabated then these shortcomings will eventually be overcome.
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See…… is the Earth flat ? thread.
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it's coz they can't explain why everything is just so? multiverse theory is broken.
From Alice in wonderland, we get the first glimpse into other worlds (in imagination). it jumps to OZ, then pulp fiction worlds, then Comics (wonderwoman 1947 - twin earths etc) eventually in 1950 a scientist gets the brilliant idea from somewhere(comics?) and proposes a basic multi-verse theory. But they looked into it and found the odds of a multi-verse is 10^120, which is over the 10^50 impossibility threshold(Borel's law, in maths) but some people don't understand odds and still maintain it's a possibility. would you back a trillion to one shot? (1,000,000,000,000 /1) (10^12) - not even close to 10^120. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4E_bT4ecgk&t=12s watch the above clip - super atheists. |
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^ More nonsense from indoctrinated-one.
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There are people on here who would back a googolplex to one shot and be happy to take anything greater than evens about it.
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the cosmological constant needs to be set to..
one part in a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion,trillion,trillion,trillion,trillion,trillion,trillion. otherwise we ain't here baby. no other universal constant is that finely tuned. Many constants ladies. what odds on God - ye twatts. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4E_bT4ecgk&t=12s
ten minute clip - don't watch it. xxx rated boobs. |
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If there is a God, why did it allow that guy to kill his wife and dump her body in a cesspit… possibly alive at the time.
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You have been brainwashed zorro, very difficult for you to see beyond it.
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"I don't profess to understand the physics or mathematics but like quantum theory, it all seems more like philosophy than science to me."
Umm... I'll think you'll find quantum theory is one of the most predictive pieces of physics going. Interpretation of the abstract mathematics is a different thing, but the cold hard practicalities of QM calculations leaves little doubt to its accuracy. |
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my man leopard - evil is necessary.
it's a choice. it's part of free choice. If God handed us all immortality in a incorruptible body, to be on his level. To see him as he is. If we all did evil it would be mayhem. So he gives us a lesson. to sort out the Wheat from the chaff. He could have made us all do good. No choice. Puppet master scenario. He let Adam get to the tree, the tree could have been guarded by an Angel. The fall is necessary for man to understand the consequences of sin. Those that go to heaven are not going to pick evil again. they see it leads to corruption. All the dead are raised - if that woman believed in Christ she lives forever in heaven in higher dimensions. If she didn't she'll be reigned over by Christ in the 1000 year millenium rule in Jerusalem. She still might make it to heaven? |
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if I am brainwashed, I found the machine myself, I plugged it in and i turned it on.
because I came to Christ only by him. not by a talk from a minister or a leaflet left on the bus. I was an atheist upto 25 years of age, and believed all the scientific BS that you people see. I could talk fluent Bs about other gods and how science was the way forward. But Maths proves there is a god. The odds don't stack up on a hundred different directions in science. Therefore they are lying about it. When you start to read the bible with open eyes you see that for a book of 2000-3500 years - it stands up. It's not about Gods it's about a god and his chosen people. one chapter about creation. because the book is not about creation. All the other 65 chapters are about redemption. Redeeming Souls and sowing seed to give those souls spirit. the earth is not important in God's plan, it's irrelevant. He's forging spirits that are worthy of the gifts of heaven. the seed that does not germinate is dead. Anyone who does not come to Christ is an un germinated seed. They will not understand the book as long as they look at it with dead eyes. It's hidden meanings in subtext and pattern. All dead eyes sees is violence and wars. God is redeeming the part of creation that wants God. Not the part that wants to be god. |
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If it makes you feel better carry on......but I think you suspect you are wrong as you keep trying to convince yourself on here.
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Umm... I'll think you'll find quantum theory is one of the most predictive pieces of physics going. Interpretation of the abstract mathematics is a different thing, but the cold hard practicalities of QM calculations leaves little doubt to its accuracy
Fair enough, ZBH. As I said, I don't understand the maths/physics behind the theory. But when I watch a documentary that says that atoms co-exist in different places simultaneously and that if, for example, I decide to take a shower, in another universe I take a bath, I have, at best an open mind. |
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no mate the door is closing - i thought i might be able to wake some of you idiots up before it shuts. But that seems a waste of my time. Stubbornly marching into oblivia with Katy Perry.
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i read multiverse theory in 1977 - it was called UNKNOWN WORLDS OF SCIENCE FICTION, a comic from marvel. It was a b+w monthly. six issue series.
the story was a detective investigating a man who shot himself, Gerry smith? , it turns out after all the investigating that the guy knows there is many copycat earths, infinite amounts of earths and on those earths he is either tremendously well off, poor, gay,black... every variation of circumstance he could be? So he realizes that life is pointless. He's just one variation of a billion Gerry smiths. So he decided to be the Gerry Smith who killed himself, or one of them. As i said the comics invented alternative earths ten years before any scientist did. you can trace the concept back to Alice in wonderland. you could make a case for it being derived from the turtle story one turtle on another etc - "The expression is an illustration of the concept of Anavastha in Indian philosophy, and refers to the defect of infinite regress in any philosophical argument. Contrary to most extant western references, it is not a popular Hindu belief. Rather, it is a widely accepted principle in Indian philosophy, commonly used to reject arguments for a creator God or "unmoved mover".(wiki)1600AD. |
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if you are an atheist just say you don't believe in a God. But you try to use elaborate excuses that don't hold water?
multiverses.evolution. aliens. digital universes matrix. etc. |
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Still posting whimsical flimflam zorro?
 What are you going to say when the world doesn't end this October as you have been predicting? That the numbers don't add up, perhaps? |
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The many-worlds theory that appeared in the 50s didn’t come from any comic and wasn’t anything to do with alternate realities. That was a consequence of the theory started by others many years later. The theory is about what happens when a particle emerges from its probabilistic state, is the observer causing it? The theory says that there is no sudden collapse and that all the possible alternatives emerge, but decohered from one another. It’s not that strange an idea since clearly it’s a fact that particles can be entangled and the entanglement doesn’t occur in the four dimensions of this universe, that is absolutely certain, otherwise we’d be able to discover how they are remain connected and are instantaneous. So there must be something more than just these four dimensions.
The theory was an interpretation of what was happening in real-world experiments, there were and are competing theories, not all of them strange and incomprehensible. All quantum theories are interpretations because they really don’t know and never claim to. |
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Elsewhere in the world of particle physics, another nightmare scenario has hit the bank balance of Nobel laureate Frank Wilczek. In 2009 Wilczek bet physicist and surfer Garrett Lisi that superparticles will be discovered at the Large Hadron Collider by July 2015. Superparticles are predicted by various supersymmetry theories, which seek to describe physics beyond the Standard Model. The deadline was subsequently extended by one year, but now Wilczek has paid up because no superparticles have been found. The sum was apparently $1000 and, as a tenured professor at MIT, Wilczek can probably afford the loss. The important question is how the particle-physics community will deal with the looming nightmare scenario of not being able to see beyond the Standard Model anytime soon.
many articles(google it) say SuSy bet now Busts Supersymmetry as a theory. string theory relies on supersymmetry, multiverse theory as an idea too? ropey dopey |
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to Fionavon who never listens - The world according to the bible has at least another 1000 years to go.
please read it. instead of going by osmosis. |
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Oh, you've changed your mind already.
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no - Jesus reigns for a 1000 years on the throne of David.
it's in Isaiah 700BC. in Revelation too. what doesn't survive is evil and unbelievers. So if you fall into those catagories you have about thirty years at best. |
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An atheist was seated next to a little girl on an airplane and he
turned To her and said, "Do you want to talk? Flights go quicker if you strike Up a conversation with your fellow passenger." The little girl, who had just started to read her book, replied to the total Stranger, "What would you want to talk about?" "Oh, I don't know," said the atheist. "How about why there is no God, Or no Heaven or Hell, or no life after death?" as he smiled smugly. "Okay," she said. "Those could be interesting topics but let me ask You a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same Stuff - grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns Out a flat patty, but a horse produces clumps. Why do you suppose that is?" The atheist, visibly surprised by the little girl's intelligence, Thinks about it and says, "Hmmm, I have no idea." To which The little girl replies, "Do you really feel qualified to discuss God, Heaven and Hell, or life after death, when you don't know ****?" And then she went back to reading her book. |
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my man leopard - evil is necessary. No, it's not.
it's a choice. it's part of free choice. Debatable philosophical concept, some would argue against free choice. If God handed us all immortality in a incorruptible body, to be on his level. To see him as he is. Wishful thinking, no one can prove the existence of god. If we all did evil it would be mayhem. Depends on the definition of evil, there's plenty of it. So he gives us a lesson. to sort out the Wheat from the chaff. He could have made us all do good. No choice. Puppet master scenario. It's the purpose of religion. He let Adam get to the tree, the tree could have been guarded by an Angel. The fall is necessary for man to understand the consequences of sin. Those that go to heaven are not going to pick evil again. they see it leads to corruption. All the dead are raised - if that woman believed in Christ she lives forever in heaven in higher dimensions. If she didn't she'll be reigned over by Christ in the 1000 year millenium rule in Jerusalem. She still might make it to heaven? More fairy-tales. |
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what is it that god is taking from you Fionavon.
is it a sunday afternoon? is it the small change you put into the donation basket? where is the payoff that the apostles who died for their beliefs wanted? what's the con? because the jews are vilified for killing jesus. All the early christians were jews . So why propagate the message of redemption? what are they asking from you that you refuse to supply? a belief that makes you tamer? less likely to kill? |
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it's man that's controlling you.
you go outside tomorrow - your car can have a ticket on it and a notice to pay a fine. you can fall short of the law a thousand ways. the government is the puppet master that's controlling you. you try to clean up your environment and someone will stop you and ask by what authority are you doing it. they tell you when to get up. what to eat by advertising. what phone to buy. every action is controlled. Even Phillip Green gets this. God is trying to free you from the law. it's called grace. |
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if I am brainwashed, I found the machine myself, I plugged it in and i turned it on.
because I came to Christ only by him. not by a talk from a minister or a leaflet left on the bus. I was an atheist upto 25 years of age, and believed all the scientific BS that you people see. I could talk fluent Bs about other gods and how science was the way forward. If you were raised in Scotland last century, the chances are you were brainwashed into Christianity from an early age. But Maths proves there is a god.No it doesn't. The odds don't stack up on a hundred different directions in science. Therefore they are lying about it Untrue When you start to read the bible with open eyes you see that for a book of 2000-3500 years - it stands up. It doesn't stand up, it full of contradictions It's not about Gods it's about a god and his chosen people. one chapter about creation. because the book is not about creation. All the other 65 chapters are about redemption. Redeeming Souls and sowing seed to give those souls spirit. the earth is not important in God's plan, it's irrelevant. He's forging spirits that are worthy of the gifts of heaven. It's an old tribal religious book, what else would you expect? the seed that does not germinate is dead. Anyone who does not come to Christ is an un germinated seed. They will not understand the book as long as they look at it with dead eyes. It's hidden meanings in subtext and pattern. All dead eyes sees is violence and wars. God is redeeming the part of creation that wants God. Not the part that wants to be god. Patent nonsense |
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it's man that's controlling you.
you go outside tomorrow - your car can have a ticket on it and a notice to pay a fine. you can fall short of the law a thousand ways. the government is the puppet master that's controlling you. you try to clean up your environment and someone will stop you and ask by what authority are you doing it. they tell you when to get up. what to eat by advertising. what phone to buy. every action is controlled. Even Phillip Green gets this. True God is trying to free you from the law. it's called grace. The religionists are represented in the law-making body of this country. |
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If it's a simulation I want to get the cheat codes so I can fly using levitation to my girlfriend J-Law to show her my new 12" thingymebob!
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maths - 10 to the power of 50 (10^50)
anything as a theory which hits this number or above is seen as an impossibility. It's called Borel's law.(google it - verify it) francis Crick one amino acid forming 10^260 - impossible. we need twenty of the right amino acids to make a protein - x 20 instances universal constants - two dozen all need fine tuning. odds of the multiverse - 10^120 - impossible. the cosmological constant is so finely tuned to be one part in a trillion, trillion, trillion,trillion, trillion, trillion,trillion, trillion, trillion,trillion, trillion. (11) all the other constants are similar in that one goes sideways - no earth SO MATHS PROVES YOUR A NUMPTY. who cannot accept the odds. |
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who the FK are the religionists are represented in the law-making body of this country.
because Jesus described the apostasy of the church of Laodicea. the priest and ministers who have invested themselves in the world. They belong to Satan. when you have accountants as heads of churches you know what they are. Jesus did not come to make churches or clubs. He came to sow seed. |
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back soon. dinner.
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I get tired of replying to all the nonsense, Zorro. I should let it go but then you and others with an agenda would think they can win by overwhelming any discussion with reams of BS as they have largely done in many parts of the world.
If people who believed weird things just kept it to themselves instead of trying to use it to influence the lives of others, then I wouldn't mind, but religion is not harmless, never has been, never will be. End of lesson. |
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who the FK are the religionists are represented in the law-making body of this country.
The posse of Bishops in the House of Lords. Some MPs and other Lords are adherents of various religions too. |
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Enjoy your dinner, Zorro
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maths - 10 to the power of 50 (10^50)
anything as a theory which hits this number or above is seen as an impossibility. It's called Borel's law.(google it - verify it) francis Crick one amino acid forming 10^260 - impossible. we need twenty of the right amino acids to make a protein - x 20 instances universal constants - two dozen all need fine tuning. odds of the multiverse - 10^120 - impossible. the cosmological constant is so finely tuned to be one part in a trillion, trillion, trillion,trillion, trillion, trillion,trillion, trillion, trillion,trillion, trillion. (11) all the other constants are similar in that one goes sideways - no earth SO MATHS PROVES YOUR A NUMPTY. who cannot accept the odds. We've been through all that before.  Even if you were right, which I don't accept for one minute, it doesn't prove there is a god, let alone one which would have the remotest interest in the affairs of mankind. |
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If you have an infinite amount of everything then everything is possible...and you can quote me on that.
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i'm sorry but even the physicists are apologizing for themselves when they say - whoever created the universe knew what he was doing.
they can't help themselves it drops out of their mouths like a turd. They can sense the chagrin of their peers. a boat sinks and the survivors are in the life raft - one man looks to the horizon and the other passengers say... what are you doing. 'I'm looking for someone to come save us' the other passengers say 'are you mad there's no one coming to save us. You've lost hope and see only death. Jesus is preparing a place in his father's house and then he returns for his bride(collective noun describing the church, the church are people who believe in Christ not the Catholics or the Protestants or the bishops and the ponces and their buildings)they go to the wedding feast for a few years and then they return to sweep the streets of muttonheads and dilberts who did not have any imagination or faith to see that God created everything. God cleans the planet and sets up a thousand year reign for people who never got a chance to decide. that's the plan - that's what's going to happen. you can be the rags going into the fire or the sinner who accepts he's got a boss in heaven. the door is closing. stage one is approaching. start to read the book you muttonheads. It's nice to get to heaven. not so nice in a fire. simple choice unless yer daft as a brush. 10 ^120 x 10^260 x 10^infinity = ****. |