Simulation hypothesis

At our current stage of technological development, we have neither sufficiently powerful hardware nor the requisite software to create conscious minds in computers. But persuasive arguments have been given to the effect that if technological progress continues unabated then these shortcomings will eventually be overcome.

See…… is the Earth flat ? thread.

it's coz they can't explain why everything is just so? multiverse theory is broken.

From Alice in wonderland, we get the first glimpse into other worlds (in imagination). it jumps to OZ, then pulp fiction worlds, then Comics (wonderwoman 1947 - twin earths etc)
eventually in 1950 a scientist gets the brilliant idea from somewhere(comics?) and proposes a basic multi-verse theory. But they looked into it and found the odds of a multi-verse is 10^120, which is over the 10^50 impossibility threshold(Borel's law, in maths) but some people don't understand odds and still maintain it's a possibility.
would you back a trillion to one shot? (1,000,000,000,000 /1) (10^12) - not even close to 10^120.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4E_bT4ecgk&t=12s

watch the above clip - super atheists.

^ More nonsense from indoctrinated-one.

There are people on here who would back a googolplex to one shot and be happy to take anything greater than evens about it.

the cosmological constant needs to be set to..
one part in a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion,trillion,trillion,trillion,trillion,trillion,trillion.

otherwise we ain't here baby.

no other universal constant is that finely tuned. Many constants ladies.

what odds on God - ye twatts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4E_bT4ecgk&t=12s

ten minute clip - don't watch it. xxx rated boobs.

If there is a God, why did it allow that guy to kill his wife and dump her body in a cesspit… possibly alive at the time.

You have been brainwashed zorro, very difficult for you to see beyond it.

"I don't profess to understand the physics or mathematics but like quantum theory, it all seems more like philosophy than science to me."

Umm... I'll think you'll find quantum theory is one of the most predictive pieces of physics going. Interpretation of the abstract mathematics is a different thing, but the cold hard practicalities of QM calculations leaves little doubt to its accuracy.

my man leopard - evil is necessary.
it's a choice. it's part of free choice.
If God handed us all immortality in a incorruptible body,
to be on his level. To see him as he is.
If we all did evil it would be mayhem. So he gives us a lesson.
to sort out the Wheat from the chaff.
He could have made us all do good. No choice. Puppet master scenario.
He let Adam get to the tree, the tree could have been guarded by an Angel.
The fall is necessary for man to understand the consequences of sin.
Those that go to heaven are not going to pick evil again. they see
it leads to corruption. 
All the dead are raised  - if that woman believed in Christ she lives forever in heaven
in higher dimensions. If she didn't she'll be reigned over by Christ in the 1000 year millenium rule in Jerusalem. She still might make it to heaven?

if I am brainwashed, I found the machine myself, I plugged it in and i turned it on.

because I came to Christ only by him. not by a talk from a minister or a leaflet left on the bus. I was an atheist upto 25 years of age, and believed all the scientific BS that you people see. I could talk fluent Bs about other gods and how science was the way forward.

But Maths proves there is a god. The odds don't stack up on a hundred different directions in science. Therefore they are lying about it.

When you start to read the bible with open eyes you see that for a book of 2000-3500 years - it stands up. It's not about Gods it's about a god and his chosen people. one chapter about creation. because the book is not about creation. All the other 65 chapters are about redemption. Redeeming Souls and sowing seed to give those souls spirit. the earth is not important in God's plan, it's irrelevant. He's forging spirits that are worthy of the gifts of heaven.

the seed that does not germinate is dead. Anyone who does not come to Christ is an un germinated seed. They will not understand the book as long as they look at it with dead eyes. It's hidden meanings in subtext and pattern. All dead eyes sees is violence and wars.
God is redeeming the part of creation that wants God. Not the part that wants to be god.

If it makes you feel better carry on......but I think you suspect you are wrong as you keep trying to convince yourself on here.

Umm... I'll think you'll find quantum theory is one of the most predictive pieces of physics going. Interpretation of the abstract mathematics is a different thing, but the cold hard practicalities of QM calculations leaves little doubt to its accuracy

Fair enough, ZBH. As I said, I don't understand the maths/physics behind the theory.

But when I watch a documentary that says that atoms co-exist in different places simultaneously and that if, for example, I decide to take a shower, in another universe I take a bath, I have, at best an open mind.

no mate the door is closing - i thought i might be able to wake some of you idiots up before it shuts. But that seems a waste of my time. Stubbornly marching into oblivia with Katy Perry.

i read multiverse theory in 1977 - it was called UNKNOWN WORLDS OF SCIENCE FICTION, a comic from marvel. It was a b+w monthly. six issue series.
the story was a detective investigating a man who shot himself, Gerry smith? , it turns out after all the investigating that the guy knows there is many copycat earths, infinite amounts of earths and on those earths he is either tremendously well off, poor, gay,black... every variation of circumstance he could be? So he realizes that life is pointless. He's just one variation of a billion Gerry smiths. So he decided to be the Gerry Smith who killed himself, or one of them.
As i said the comics invented alternative earths ten years before any scientist did.
you can trace the concept back to Alice in wonderland.

you could make a case for it being derived from the turtle story one turtle on another etc - "The expression is an illustration of the concept of Anavastha in Indian philosophy, and refers to the defect of infinite regress in any philosophical argument. Contrary to most extant western references, it is not a popular Hindu belief. Rather, it is a widely accepted principle in Indian philosophy, commonly used to reject arguments for a creator God or "unmoved mover".(wiki)1600AD.

if you are an atheist just say you don't believe in a God. But you try to use elaborate excuses that don't hold water?

multiverses.evolution. aliens. digital universes matrix. etc.

Still posting whimsical flimflam zorro?

What are you going to say when the world doesn't end this October as you have been predicting?
That the numbers don't add up, perhaps?

The many-worlds theory that appeared in the 50s didn’t come from any comic and wasn’t anything to do with alternate realities. That was a consequence of the theory started by others many years later. The theory is about what happens when a particle emerges from its probabilistic state, is the observer causing it? The theory says that there is no sudden collapse and that all the possible alternatives emerge, but decohered from one another. It’s not that strange an idea since clearly it’s a fact that particles can be entangled and the entanglement doesn’t occur in the four dimensions of this universe, that is absolutely certain, otherwise we’d be able to discover how they are remain connected and are instantaneous. So there must be something more than just these four dimensions.

The theory was an interpretation of what was happening in real-world  experiments, there were and are competing theories, not all of them strange and incomprehensible. All quantum theories are interpretations because they really don’t know and never claim to.

Elsewhere in the world of particle physics, another nightmare scenario has hit the bank balance of Nobel laureate Frank Wilczek. In 2009 Wilczek bet physicist and surfer Garrett Lisi that superparticles will be discovered at the Large Hadron Collider by July 2015. Superparticles are predicted by various supersymmetry theories, which seek to describe physics beyond the Standard Model. The deadline was subsequently extended by one year, but now Wilczek has paid up because no superparticles have been found. The sum was apparently $1000 and, as a tenured professor at MIT, Wilczek can probably afford the loss. The important question is how the particle-physics community will deal with the looming nightmare scenario of not being able to see beyond the Standard Model anytime soon.

many articles(google it) say SuSy bet now Busts Supersymmetry as a theory.
string theory relies on supersymmetry, multiverse theory as an idea too?

ropey dopey

to Fionavon who never listens - The world according to the bible has at least another 1000 years to go.

please read it. instead of going by osmosis.

Oh, you've changed your mind already.

no - Jesus reigns for a 1000 years on the throne of David.
it's in Isaiah 700BC.
in Revelation too.

what doesn't survive is evil and unbelievers. So if you fall into those catagories you have about thirty years at best.

An atheist was seated next to a little girl on an airplane and he
turned To her and said, "Do you want to talk?
Flights go quicker if you strike Up a conversation with your fellow
passenger."

The little girl, who had just started to read her book, replied to
the total Stranger, "What would you want to talk about?"

"Oh, I don't know," said the atheist. "How about why there is no God,
Or no Heaven or Hell, or no life after death?" as he smiled smugly.

"Okay," she said. "Those could be interesting topics but let me ask
You a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same
Stuff - grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns
Out a flat patty, but a horse produces clumps. Why do you suppose that is?"

The atheist, visibly surprised by the little girl's intelligence,
Thinks about it and says, "Hmmm, I have no idea." To which The little
girl replies, "Do you really feel qualified to discuss God, Heaven and
Hell, or life after death, when you don't know ****?"

And then she went back to reading her book.

my man leopard - evil is necessary. No, it's not.
it's a choice. it's part of free choice. Debatable philosophical concept, some would argue against free choice.
If God handed us all immortality in a incorruptible body,
to be on his level. To see him as he is.  Wishful thinking, no one can prove the existence of god.
If we all did evil it would be mayhem. Depends on the definition of evil, there's plenty of it.
So he gives us a lesson.
to sort out the Wheat from the chaff. 
He could have made us all do good. No choice. Puppet master scenario. It's the purpose of religion.
He let Adam get to the tree, the tree could have been guarded by an Angel.
The fall is necessary for man to understand the consequences of sin.
Those that go to heaven are not going to pick evil again. they see
it leads to corruption. 
All the dead are raised  - if that woman believed in Christ she lives forever in heaven
in higher dimensions. If she didn't she'll be reigned over by Christ in the 1000 year millenium rule in Jerusalem. She still might make it to heaven?  More fairy-tales.

what is it that god is taking from you Fionavon.

is it a sunday afternoon? is it the small change you put into the donation basket?

where is the payoff that the apostles who died for their beliefs wanted?

what's the con? because the jews are vilified for killing jesus.
All the early christians were jews . So why propagate the message of redemption?

what are they asking from you that you refuse to supply? a belief that makes you tamer? less likely to kill?

it's man that's controlling you.
you go outside tomorrow - your car can have a ticket on it and a notice to pay a fine.
you can fall short of the law a thousand ways.
the government is the puppet master that's controlling you.
you try to clean up your environment and someone will stop you and ask by what authority
are you doing it.
they tell you when to get up. what to eat by advertising. what phone to buy. every action is controlled. Even Phillip Green gets this.
God is trying to free you from the law. it's called grace.

if I am brainwashed, I found the machine myself, I plugged it in and i turned it on.

because I came to Christ only by him. not by a talk from a minister or a leaflet left on the bus. I was an atheist upto 25 years of age, and believed all the scientific BS that you people see. I could talk fluent Bs about other gods and how science was the way forward. If you were raised in Scotland last century, the chances are you were brainwashed into Christianity from an early age.

But Maths proves there is a god.No it doesn't.
The odds don't stack up on a hundred different directions in science. Therefore they are lying about it Untrue

When you start to read the bible with open eyes you see that for a book of 2000-3500 years - it stands up. It doesn't stand up, it full of contradictions It's not about Gods it's about a god and his chosen people. one chapter about creation. because the book is not about creation. All the other 65 chapters are about redemption. Redeeming Souls and sowing seed to give those souls spirit. the earth is not important in God's plan, it's irrelevant. He's forging spirits that are worthy of the gifts of heaven. It's an old tribal religious book, what else would you expect?

the seed that does not germinate is dead. Anyone who does not come to Christ is an un germinated seed. They will not understand the book as long as they look at it with dead eyes. It's hidden meanings in subtext and pattern. All dead eyes sees is violence and wars.
God is redeeming the part of creation that wants God. Not the part that wants to be god. Patent nonsense

it's man that's controlling you.
you go outside tomorrow - your car can have a ticket on it and a notice to pay a fine.
you can fall short of the law a thousand ways.
the government is the puppet master that's controlling you.
you try to clean up your environment and someone will stop you and ask by what authority
are you doing it.
they tell you when to get up. what to eat by advertising. what phone to buy. every action is controlled. Even Phillip Green gets this. True
God is trying to free you from the law. it's called grace. The religionists are represented in the law-making body of this country.

If it's a simulation I want to get the cheat codes so I can fly using levitation to my girlfriend J-Law to show her my new 12" thingymebob!

maths - 10 to the power of 50  (10^50)
anything as a theory which hits this number or above is seen as an impossibility.
It's called Borel's law.(google it - verify it)

francis Crick one amino acid forming 10^260 - impossible.
we need twenty of the right amino acids to make a protein - x 20 instances

universal constants - two dozen all need fine tuning.

odds of the multiverse - 10^120 - impossible.

the cosmological constant is so finely tuned to be one part in a trillion, trillion, trillion,trillion, trillion, trillion,trillion, trillion, trillion,trillion, trillion. (11)

all the other constants are similar in that one goes sideways - no earth

SO MATHS PROVES YOUR A NUMPTY. who cannot accept the odds.

who the FK are the religionists are represented in the law-making body of this country.

because Jesus described the apostasy of the church of Laodicea. the priest and ministers who have invested themselves in the world. They belong to Satan.

when you have accountants as heads of churches you know what they are.

Jesus did not come to make churches or clubs. He came to sow seed.

back soon. dinner.

I get tired of replying to all the nonsense, Zorro. I should let it go but then you and others with an agenda would think they can win by overwhelming any discussion with reams of BS as they have largely done in many parts of the world.
If people who believed weird things just kept it to themselves instead of trying to use it to influence the lives of others, then I wouldn't mind, but religion is not harmless, never has been, never will be. End of lesson.

who the FK are the religionists are represented in the law-making body of this country.

The posse of Bishops in the House of Lords. Some MPs and other Lords are adherents of various religions too.

Enjoy your dinner, Zorro

maths - 10 to the power of 50  (10^50)
anything as a theory which hits this number or above is seen as an impossibility.
It's called Borel's law.(google it - verify it)

francis Crick one amino acid forming 10^260 - impossible.
we need twenty of the right amino acids to make a protein - x 20 instances

universal constants - two dozen all need fine tuning.

odds of the multiverse - 10^120 - impossible.

the cosmological constant is so finely tuned to be one part in a trillion, trillion, trillion,trillion, trillion, trillion,trillion, trillion, trillion,trillion, trillion. (11)

all the other constants are similar in that one goes sideways - no earth

SO MATHS PROVES YOUR A NUMPTY. who cannot accept the odds.

We've been through all that before.
Even if you were right, which I don't accept for one minute, it doesn't prove there is a god, let alone one which would have the remotest interest in the affairs of mankind.

If you have an infinite amount of everything then everything is possible...and you can quote me on that.

i'm sorry but even the physicists are apologizing for themselves when they say - whoever created the universe knew what he was doing.

they can't help themselves it drops out of their mouths like a turd. They can sense the chagrin of their peers.

a boat sinks and the survivors are in the life raft - one man looks to the horizon and the other passengers say... what are you doing. 'I'm looking for someone to come save us'
the other passengers say 'are you mad there's no one coming to save us.
You've lost hope and see only death.

Jesus is preparing a place in his father's house and then he returns for his bride(collective noun describing the church, the church are people who believe in Christ not the Catholics or the Protestants or the bishops and the ponces and their buildings)they go to the wedding feast for a few years and then they return to sweep the streets of muttonheads and dilberts who did not have any imagination or faith to see that God created everything. God cleans the planet and sets up a thousand year reign for people who never got a chance to decide.

that's the plan - that's what's going to happen. you can be the rags going into the fire or the sinner who accepts he's got a boss in heaven. the door is closing. stage one is approaching. start to read the book you muttonheads. It's nice to get to heaven. not so nice in a fire. simple choice unless yer daft as a brush.

10 ^120 x 10^260 x 10^infinity = ****.

Despite the hype and the eventual letdown, Dorigo is glad that this bump has got folks talking about high-energy physics. “It doesn’t matter even if it fizzles out; it’s important to keep asking ourselves these questions,” he says. The main reason for this, Dorigo explains, is that “we are at a very special junction in particle physics as we decide what new machine to build” and some input from current colliders is necessary. “Right now there is no clear direction,” he says. In light of the fact that there has been no new physics (or any hint of supersymmetry) from the LHC to date, the most likely future devices would be an electron–positron collider or, in the long term, a muon collider. But a much clearer indication is necessary before these choices are made and for now, much more data are needed.
http://blog.physicsworld.com/2016/08/05/and-so-to-bed-for-the-750-gev-bump/#more-13840

time is up mofos - the end is not nigh - it's now. trigger point imminent. say GODbye to your little square patch of grass in the united(brexit)kingdom.

The maths behind the simulation hypothesis is quite simple.

You can read nick bostrum's paper if you want to

http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.pdf

to summarise: in the future we will develop computing power which can model our universe from its origins and ultimately all the conscious minds it produces, and these modelled minds will believe that they are conscious. There will be nothing within the model to make them believe that they are being modelled. the computers will have the necessary power to run numerous simulations simultateously, and the entire lifetime of a single modelled universe will take milliseconds to simulate. what's more each modelled universe may give rise to civilisations which can create computers which, in turn, model yet more universes.

you get the idea. it makes sense to believe that there could be billions upon billions of simulations, but only one "reality".

so what are the odds we're living in that one and not a simulation?

Bostrum goes onto argue that the real arguments against it are that no species never gets technologically advanced enough to do it, or we find a clear ethical objection in doing so.

Oddly enough, it's an entirely compatible idea with a god creating a world, or there being sentience behind its fine tuning.

funny how this simulation theory only took off, once we had computers.
maybe because of computer games.
I visited Bell's college of technology in 1983. they had a lab room with basic computers that ran a basic pac man game and it was held in high esteem at that time. wow. 32 bits.

Isn't this just an extension of 'life is but a dream'.

another avoidance strategy.

the brick is on route and the glass will break. no excuses will be entertained.
God introduced himself to you. You ignore him. He ignores you back.
you might get a consolation prize if you realize you were fooled after the event.
But isn't better to get all the inheritance you were promised than a token.
the wait and see policy will see you into a pit. you'll scream out why didn't you warn us.
the book is replete with warnings.

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this simulated night sky is showing the sky of the 10th of April 2017.

simulated - like planet paintings of seven worlds in far off star systems.
generated by graphs. no actual planets can be seen. it's like drawings from sonar.
it's signals bouncing back. But artists sit and draw composite planets like I doodle faces and say this girl looks like a jenny? or a lucy? it's meaningless.

the 10th of April this year is Passover, 2017, Jewish year 5777.

Thanks for posting the link, DStyle. I've now read it through and agree with the OP that it's more philosophy than science. It appears to be a modern day rehash of the shadows and dream scenarios going back to the ancient Greek philosophers. Interesting that Bostrom managed to weave in an idea of the Abrahamic deity, a gold star for that.
If such a simulation were possible then there has to be a ground state reality and Occam would suggest that's where we are. It's hard to believe that a simulation would include the massive amount of redundancy we see in our carbon-based biology, the complexity of countless species and the vastness of space.
Any computer programme would likely have a granularity based on a minimum pixel or bit size and that ill-fits with the space-time continuum which is just that, a continuum. Also, the probability basis of matter suggested by quantum mechanics would require infinite computing power to simulate. (IMO).

it is a thought experiment of course, but a interesting one nevertheless.

regarding your last point, it's interesting to consider one idea that's come out of the simulation hypothesis provides a rather neat explanation for the copenhagen interpretation (wavefunction collapse/ classic double slit experiment).

namely that the granular detail (i.e. behaviour and quantum states of elementary particles) in the simulation is only required to be resolved upon observation, as higher level approximations of the reality (i.e. the simulation is not bottom up) are entirely fit for purpose and require less computing resource.

So the idea that a simulation would need to model the wavefunctions of every particle in the universe and compute their probabalistic interactions is not a requirement of the system.

As for the redundancy, if the only input/initial parameters were only the cosmological constants and the wave functions/ M- theory/ whatever works, it's entirely expected.

it is a thought experiment of course, but an interesting one nevertheless.

regarding your last point, it's interesting to consider one idea that's come out of the simulation hypothesis provides a rather neat explanation for the Copenhagen interpretation (wavefunction collapse/ classic double slit experiment).

namely that the granular detail (i.e. behaviour and quantum states of elementary particles) in the simulation is only required to be resolved upon observation, as higher level approximations of the reality (i.e. the simulation is not bottom up) are entirely fit for purpose and require less computing resource.

So the idea that a simulation would need to model the wavefunctions of every particle in the universe and compute their probabilistic interactions is not a requirement of the system. Yes, good argument. The amount of reserve computing power would depend on how many observers would be allowed in the simulation and keeping track of them. There are seven billion of us and most of us see diffracted light and other quantum effects although we don't normally carry out experiments.It could be argued too that our metabolism is quantum in nature.

As for the redundancy, if the only input/initial parameters were only the cosmological constants and the wave functions/ M- theory/ whatever works, it's entirely expected. If one starts with the cosmological constants, then I would think that one also needs the elapsed time, circa 14 billion years, to arrive at this point. Not practical for the observer.

There's no reason why our simulation has to run at the same speed as the observer's time. 14 billion years could be simulated in a handful of milliseconds on a quantum computer the size of a planet.

the simulation hypothesis provides a rather neat explanation for the Copenhagen interpretation (wavefunction collapse/ classic double slit experiment).

Speaking of which - If the CI is the right one. I’m not in a position to say which one is, but of all the quantum mechanics interpretations Pilot-Wave theory, which I believe is currently the third most popular after Many-Worlds and Copenhagen, offers the sanest explanation, as far as I can grasp it, for all quantum effects.

In this interpretation (which is one of the oldest) there is no wave/particle duality, there is always a particle with a definite momentum and position. In the case of the double slit the particle always passes through one slit or the other carried by a pilot wave, this is a major difference from the other two interpretations. As before wave interference effects occur, though now they jostle actual particle in following one path or another. The probabilistic element doesn’t go away, the particle’s evolution is still described by the wavefunction, but in reality it has always been a particle, always going through one slit or the other.

This interpretation, taken up by David Bohm in the 1950s, has been growing in popularity with physicists. A year ago an experiment was done using oil droppets that parallels what you’d expect if quantum objects were indeed  carried by pilot waves. One of the major hurdles of QM is that it’s not easily understood even by those that are familiar with it, making progress a bit of a slog. Pilot-wave theory does away with the importance of the observer and the need for other worlds for the probabilities to decohere into, it becomes that bit easier to understand.

Here’s a little video of oil in action and, later, its relevence to quantum effects (it’s only 3mins and soundless).

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmC0ygr08tE

they dumped multi-verse theory in the toilet - the new thing is mega-verse.
they now want you to believe the universe is much much larger than they can observe. with constants that vary throughout like a patchwork quilt. basically the multiverse is in one universe. that does away with the odds barrier in multiverse theory. All they have to do now is prove the universe is infinite. I thought that was the steady state model of the 1950's?

focusing on the creation over the creator. the exam is called faith 101. you are all failing it. no resits are permitted.

deadline for all papers Sept 24th 2017.

https://www.amazon.com/When-Prophecy-Fails-Leon-Festinger/dp/1578988527

That looks like an interesting read DStyle. Thanks, only £1-19 on UK Amazon for the kindle version.

I can't imagine that Zorro would read it as he wishes to stay blinkered.
"hominem unius libri timeo" but not quite how Thomas Aquinas meant it.

http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?v=1&geo=geoname&geonameid=5128581&m=50&month=x&year=now&c=on&s=on&maj=on&min=on&mod=on&mf=on&ss=on&nx=on

the Hebrew calendar - above.

i had a pick for the oaks years ago - put it's name on the wall. Wijdan. So i wouldn't forget to back it. one day I jump into a bookies to take a leak. So i felt obliged to make a bet. i look up at the screen and see Wijdan in a group three race? WTF it's a oaks contender. not even group one? So I empty my pockets and put it all on Wijdan. it romped home.
That's what you call inside knowledge.
very rarely do I get it maybe once a year, you need to study for it or be lucky to find it.
I'm a lazy gambler. I don't study for it.
another was Cameroon vs Argentina - Argentina had not won a game in 14 tries, Cameroon are quite good? why is Cameroon 7/1 ? empty the pockets again. 

that's one fact operating in the equation.

I've got a lot of arrows pointing into September 2017. Not one arrow. it's maybe twenty.
I can't see it being my head being turned. wishful thinking? i'm emptying my pockets.

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holidays/Introduction/introduction.html

the Jewish year starts on the feast of trumpets - September to September.
the Jewish day starts in the evening and ends in the evening next day.
this is the religious calendar.

God gave the Jews seven feast days to observe in Leviticus.
SPRING FEASTS...
PASSOVER(pesach) Nisan 14-15(April)..................... Jesus Killed.
Unleven Bread (Chag Hamotzi) nisan 15-22(April)......... Jesus Buried.
First Fruits (Yom Habikkurim) nisan 16-17 (April)....... Jesus raised
Pentecost (Shavu'ot) sivan 6-7 (May-June)............... Jesus bestows the holy spirit on the apostles. On all of his followers who ask for the spirit. seed sown for two thousand years.

Autumn Feasts...
Trumpets (Yom Teru'ah)(Rosh Hashana) the shouting/blasting. Tishri 1(sept)
Atonement (yom Kippur)Tishri 10
Tabernacles (Sukkot) tishri 15-22

the SPRING and AUTUMN feasts.

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

So if Jesus is following a pattern which God sets out... the feast of trumpets is next.

(ARROW one) something is coming - our worlds are about to become very different. it's going to change everything... what do you see. (nothing?)

What came First  The c0ck or the Fanny ?

the **** - Adam

oh this cake is divine? where can i get more distractions?
I have to avoid God as much as possible.

QUEEN VICTORIA - HOW TIME MOVES ON AND HOW WE FALL.

Years later, when Canon (later Dean) Farrar served the Queen as chaplain, he visited her when she was sick. She had been reading a leaflet on the return of Christ and said, "Chaplain, what do you think about the return of Christ?"
It is not known what the chaplain answered, but when he left he said, "Your Majesty, why have you asked me that?"
"Oh," she said, "I wish that He returns while I am still alive, because nothing would give me more joy than to pass on the crown of Great Britain and India to Him with my own hands." In her youth, with most of her life still ahead of her, she crowned Jesus KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS; and then much later, in her latter years, with grey hair and with the many sorrows that she had borne, she wanted to give Him every crown that God had given her.
When you grow older you might have less strength, but you have got more that makes you happy and more that you can share.
by Ernest A. Francis

DStyle, I read a few lines of the book last night before going to sleep. This morning I open chit chat and find it's all true.

After mulling it over, I have some misgivings about the "fast forward" scenario. I'll post later in the day as I'm short of time at the moment.

OK, here are my thoughts for what they are worth. Perhaps a bit much for a gambling forum, though.

If you can equate the simulation to a film or video recording, then the idea of fast-forwarding 14 billion years from a set of cosmological constants is seductive. Life, though is far more complicated than images on a screen and if we are biological entities then our existence depends on thousands of chemical reactions sweeping through our bodies. All of these reactions have equilibria, rate-determining steps and catalysts (enzymes) which are environment related. You can't change the reaction times or anything else and hope to get a result. The same applies to photosynthesis and all the other processes of life which are interrelated.
Something similar applies to the balls of plasma which we call stars. They are amongst other things, element factories and the heavier elements can only be made in supernova conditions. Time, temperature and pressure are all important.
If anyone could ever simulate all this in a computer programme running on a computer less than the size of a universe and fast-forward it, then bravo.
It doesn't seem possible to me.

If it's a simulation, then Time might not exist like you perceive it. Like a program on a computer loading. It might run at a high speed. Therefore a billion years would be processed in a few seconds. Indeed if the computer is high spec it might load in an instant.

So Time is irrelevant.
Matter is irrelevant.
You are not made in God's image. But only part of a program?
another devaluation of mankind theory, what a surprise.

ask this in 1970, and people would say what are you drinking? creme de menthe?
this only comes up because we are using computers now.
It a perspective created by our senses, which are very limited.
seeing only a fraction of the electromagnetic spectrum.
So now we have information language. So we throw that into the mix of reality.

Zorro, you must be a Global Warming skeptic? Because you tend to look for proof in whatever you believe in yet discard the evidence against it.

Re. the Opening topic, I listened to a podcast during the week (Science Friday I think), I wasn't paying great attention to it but one point I thought was curious was we move our arms a fraction of a second before our neurons in our brain "think" about moving it. That well may be in that paper in the link above as a proof.

It's certainly something to ponder on the subject, science doesn't have all the answers but it's a progressive subject (except for you Zorro where an all encompassing god did it so you can devote your life to him. Hope you chose the right god tho )

you need to watch the 'absurdity of unbelief' a lecture on youtube - just go to part 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmOv7vcvFvQ&t=30s

Err, no thanks. Not that I don't watch crap like this, it's just I'm fed up with your copy and paste proofs.

It's like we're in a simulated Universe and someone made you type that

It's a thought exercise, Zorro.
I don't think we are in a simulation either, there's too much biology for that but people do consider all sorts of possibilities and simulation hypotheses go back to the ancient Greeks. The computerised versions are a modern tweak on this.

The Abrahamic god hypothesis is far more implausible than this computerised simulation and is a form of simulation in itself. You should read the cognitive dissonance book suggested by DStyle, zoz.

In my world view the earth is here as a petri dish. It's a way for God to make fine Gold and silver and then to be discarded.

Oh dear, I hurt the planet's feelings, such a pretty planet too.

God is only interested in souls with spirit. seed that germinates.

seed is valuable. If it does not grow in the field it's worthless.

there are a trillion stars for every human on the planet. The universe is this big to accomodate elemnets such as carbon forming. All the goldilock constants. at least 24 constants set up just so. But it's all matter. Not soul or spirit. God has no need for it.
it will be rolled up like a scroll. (17 references in the bible to the universe being a scroll? ) God is outside time, outside matter.

He values your soul and spirit. nothing else.

what do you value?

I value my sanity Zorro

then you have left your soul unguarded, the only thing of value you possess.

keep distracting yourself. the window of opportunity is closing. you'll be left holding your pudding. kiss it goodbye.

close up of the 2017 review of the year to come in the ECONOMIST ? magazine.

hey have a plan, for what's coming. You don't. You are so screwedd..

And Eve was made from His Rib ?

the rib is the only bone in the body that regenerates if excised by a good surgeon. It is commonly used as grafting material.
no other bone regenerates.
Adam's blood spilled on the land to get him a bride.

Jesus was pierced by a roman spear between the ribs. his blood spilled out onto the land below the cross. All to get him a bride.


people are being killed across the world in conflicts, while you say it's a simulation?
God help you when he comes.

dodge the bullet. get ready...