'Alexa....Rinse my bank account'

'Alexa....Are you spying on me?'

I read a piece only the other week about a toy that had to be recalled as it was listening to everything kids were doing and saying and passing the information to other companies.
The devices were dolls that encouraged the kids to speak openly and ask it questions that it then answered using the internet.
It also watched them with use of cameras and was apparently easily hackable via bluetooth so pedos could hijack them and speak directly to the kids.
Its unreal how people are just accepting anything on the basis of making life simpler....and much much more sinister.

Dave: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.

HAL: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

Hysterically funny

https://youtu.be/MYCJFXOrkTU

all the while everything in every house hold gets recorded and sifted through by the private sector and then the public sector takes whats left and finds a reason to lock you up.

I'm a bit geeky but I would not have one of these little spy devices in the house.

Something that sits there 24/7 listening to everything around it. How could that possibly have any privacy implications or be misused?

I didn't even know you could order things just by speaking to it, that sounds total insanity. Does it tell you the price? Dolls house isn't specific in any way, Amazon now has so many ebay type seller feeds I've seen searches come back literally in the 1000s. And some prices appear the amazon equivalent of trap bets. Hugely inflated and I'm guessing it's to catch people not paying attention. And no confirmation unless you enable it? So a babbling child can accidentally order. WHAT!!!

Its crazy.
Data is equivalent to power nowadays and all companies want to harvest and analyze it with greater scrutiny.
If you hand over responsibility to anyone, either private or public sector you are going to get shafted well and truly.

JC
It's not listening to everything !
It only answers a specific question asked, but only when prompted. And this prompt gas to be made ecah time a question is asked.
It's not a listening bug

* has
*each

To purchase anything, a preset digital code has to be stated first.

Thats not true Facts.
There was a murder case in america recently and the Echo witnessed it and they attempted to get the info from amazon who didnt want the negative publicity of the fact they record everything.
The device was hacked to get the info the prosecution required from recollection.
The point is these devices do listen so as to determine when to act out a function.

I can do the same thing on my Iphone with Siri or the dictation function on my Mac

Dustybin

Bullshit

You have to prompt it to ' listen '
It's not a recording bug ffs

.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38450658
This was the outline of the case.

Its not that the device doesnt listen, its what the company does with the info it collects.
After all the device has to know when NOT to act and can only determine that if it listens to everything.

What !?
It's not sitting there listening to everything, it's not a bug !!!!
It responds to a specific audible command.
You can  ask iPad/iPhone  a question to google. Doesn't mean your device  is listening to everything
To speak to someone on a landline phone you have to dial their number .
Doesn't mean the phone is sitting there ' listening '

The "always on" machine makes recordings of audio it hears from a fraction of a second before it detects a wake word - either Alexa or Amazon - until it judges the command to be over.

How does it record audio before the trigger word?
Does it turn back time or is it already recorded?

Although no recordings are meant to be made at other times, the device often becomes activated when it misinterprets speech as being its wake command.

How does it record a fraction of a second before it receives its wake up command . Is it also psychic ?

It is well known the security services, Police and anyone they give permission to can listen to you using your phone anytime they choose, even if it is switched off.

How can you use your phone if it's switched off ?

Facts • January 10, 2017 1:19 PM GMT
How does it record a fraction of a second before it receives its wake up command . Is it also psychic ?

This is entirely my point.
For it to record only data containing trigger words it has to record everything to access anything before it.

Samsung have already been pulled over tvs doing this, another company have been ordered to do a product recall because of its rolling T'Cs that supposedly allowed them to act as they wished once a device was initiated and amazon themselves admitted years ago to charge different customers different prices based on how much data they held on them.

To swallow the company spiel that essentially says, 'dont worry everyone you can trust us' is a hiding to sorrow.

We're killing the planet with all this unnecessary rubbish we keep buying there will be
a price to pay

The trigger word is to get it to go and find an answer. Either from eg Google or Spotify ( music list you may have preset)
It's not to answer something you've said an hour ago .
It's just programmed  voice recognition .
So if you muffled your question , or have a heavy accent , it won't understand what you saying , and therefore won't be able to go and ' search' for the answer.
To repeat its not a listening ' bug'

Facts
This might interest you.
.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/4fb719b3-9335-46a1-8309-8d0cab1c3ddd

Breeding mad

I agree. I ditched my new chargeable Hoover. It refused to pick the dust up

Even given companies the benefit of the doubt these devices still record data it wasnt 'intended' to.
To say profit finding organisations wont maximise profit potential from this data is naive.

On a slightly more positive side, these voice control units like Echo/Alexa have great potential for helping the elderly and disabled, especially being able to define your own triggers/actions via the "If This Then That" integration.

Very much in its infancy at the moment I think, be interesting to see how it develops

Yes, I'm seriously looking toward to having a meaningful relation with Alexa.

Needs further programming though. viz :-

Me - Alexa, how are you today ?'
Alexa -  Great, thank you, I hope you're doing well too '

Me - Alexa ' do you want to make love ?,
Alexa - ' Sorry, I can't find an answer to the question I heard '

It'll probably have record of all your w4nking history and have shuttled all that data off for analysis to determine what stage risk you are to society and at what point in time the police will need to be sent to collect you for incarceration.

I was told it sends you blind, but never realised it was against the law !!

that depends on what the content is that creates intent.

'Alexa... talk dirty to me.'

What did she reply ?

dustybin    10 Jan 17 15:40 
that depends on what the content is that creates intent.


Photos of Ted Rogers

Not illegal....yet

Jan 10, 2017 -- 1:21PM, Facts wrote:

How can you use your phone if it's switched off ?

They can just listen to you wherever you are, you do not have to be using the phone.
It can be switched off and still work.

He was in the guardian.

Rubbish

Jan 9, 2017 -- 3:11PM, rogerthebutler wrote:

Hysterically funnyhttps://youtu.be/MYCJFXOrkTU

Just watched that, had me in stitches. How did he get the idea that it was called "Trevor"? Funniest thing I've seen in ages.

I'm pretty sure the complex voice recognition would be done at the amazon servers so the question is do they have basic recognition on the device just for "Alexa"?

And when does it stop recording? And what if the woman you are having fun with is called "Alexa"?

Or even a man, and you cry out "Alex aaaaaahhhh"?

Basically: Is the soundtrack to conception of a certain one show host's baby stored at amazon HQ?

3 min vid
.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34448332

Smartphone users can do "very little" to stop security services getting "total control" over their devices, US whistleblower Edward Snowden has said.
The former intelligence contractor told the BBC's Panorama that UK intelligence agency GCHQ had the power to hack into phones without their owners' knowledge.

Of course. They can hackmintomyourvmessages and records of the calls you've made, and be on line and listen when you make a call. But they can't turn your mobile into a ' listening bug ' to record things when it's not even switched on .

Des Pond    10 Jan 17 18:33 
Jan 9, 2017 -- 3:11PM, rogerthebutler wrote:

Hysterically funnyhttps://youtu.be/MYCJFXOrkTU

Just watched that, had me in stitches. How did he get the idea that it was called "Trevor"? LaughLaughLaugh Funniest thing I've seen in ages.

I've got tears streaming down my face. !!!
Absolutely priceless .

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/spies-can-listen-your-iphone-3670347
.
American and British spies can listen in to the microphone of your iPhone - even if the device is switched OFF, experts have revealed.

CIA whistleblower Edward Snowden claimed America’s National Security Agency (NSA), which works in tandem with the UK's Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), could eavesdrop on the mobile phone’s mic without owners ever knowing.

The American fugitive, who exposed a joint secret mass surveillance program, said: “They can absolutely turn them on with the power turned off to the device”.

The worrying claim left Britain’s estimated 10 million iPhone users at risk.

Now a team of security experts have confirmed Snowden’s claims saying the Apple phone’s inbuilt software can fool users in to “playing dead” when it is actually still working.

Expert Eric McDonald, a hardware engineer in Los Angeles, said although the handset may appear to be shutting down when turned off it actually enters a low-power mode that leaves key communication chips still active.

This 'playing dead' state allows the phone to receive commands, including one to activate its microphone, said McDonald.

“The screen would look black and nothing would happen if you pressed buttons but it’s conceivable that the baseband (the cellular function) is still on, or turns on periodically," he said.

“And it would be very difficult to know whether the phone has been compromised.”

U.S. National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden
Claims: U.S. National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden (Photo: Reuters)

Writing on his Errata Security blog, security consultant Robert David Graham says the technique Snowden referred to is called an implant.

“An 'implant' is when the NSA intercepts your phone and installs hardware or software on it," he wrote.”

“Yes, an implant gives the NSA full control over your phone but it's difficult getting the implant on your phone in the first place.

“Once the NSA installs an implant, then of course they can remotely 'power on' your phone, because it's not really powered off - even when you think it is.”

Graham said the implant could be installed through the internet or through the phone’s cellular functions.

He also said it could be put on to the phone physically if anyone was to get hold of it.

Agencies such as the CIA, FBI, MI5 and MI6 have had the technology to use mobile phones as an aid for spying for the past 10 years.

In 2006 a technique known as a “roving bug” was discovered which allowed agents to remotely activate a phone’s microphone and listen to nearby conversations.

They also use the technique to locate users to within a few meters seeing many criminals located through their mobiles.

Fugitve Snowden fled the US 14 months ago after exposing the PRISM program. It gave spies access to data held by nine of the world’s top internet companies, including Google, Facebook, Microsoft and Skype and also eavesdropped on millions of conversations and emails.

Much of the information was anaylsed by spooks at Cheltenham-based GCHQ before being handed back to the US.

The scandal caused an international firestorm when it was discovered 35 world leaders including Angela Merkel as well as the Pope had had their phone records tapped into.

Snowden, who has been granted temporary asylum in Russia, has been charged by the US Government with theft and espionage while having his passport revoked.

Must apply to all smartphones

The scandal caused an international firestorm when it was discovered 35 world leaders including Angela Merkel as well as the Pope had had their phone records tapped into.

This is widely known to be feasible.
But I remain skeptical about the ability to turn anyone's mobile phone into a listening device.

If this wee possible, any phone user could be monitored and listened to 24/7. !!!

And they can be !

Scales falling from your eyes?

If you are not of interest to the security forces then you have nothing to be worried about.

Jan 9, 2017 -- 3:11PM, rogerthebutler wrote:

Hysterically funnyhttps://youtu.be/MYCJFXOrkTU

Trev-vor !

it's the beginning of the end

Or the end of the beginning

Anybody said "Alexa - get your tit$ out for the lads!"

There was a sat nav company who released info about how often men speak dirty to their sat nav if they give it a female voice