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Peronally I do not fear death. It's not that I am brave or look forward to it it's because I know it's inevitable. If my doctor told me I had three months to live I would be grateful I could say my goodbyes. (even though my mind would be on another planet)
The one big fear I have of death is that of a loved one, specifically Ms stew. She had a bad health scare about two years ago and I was in fear and genuinely scared but as for myself I accepted a good few years ago that we all face the same end.
And when I do go it's a humanist funeral for me. I may be a lot of things but I'm no hypocrite.
Do you fear death?
The one big fear I have of death is that of a loved one, specifically Ms stew. She had a bad health scare about two years ago and I was in fear and genuinely scared but as for myself I accepted a good few years ago that we all face the same end.
And when I do go it's a humanist funeral for me. I may be a lot of things but I'm no hypocrite.
Do you fear death?
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“I have always thought of Christmas time, when it has come round, as a good time; a kind, forgiving, charitable time; the only time I know of, in the long calendar of the year, when men and women seem by one consent to open their shut-up hearts freely, and to think of people below them as if they really were fellow passengers to the grave, and not another race of creatures bound on other journeys.” - Dickens.
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Just remember, death is not the end .....
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Just remember, death is not the end .....
You have evidence of this? |
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Bob Dylan told us, so it must be true.
When you're sad and lonely And you haven't got a friend Just remember that death is not the end And all that you hell sacred Falls down and dows not bend Just remember that death is not the end. |
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“Whether we like it or not, the one justification for the existence of all religions is death, they need death as much as we need bread to eat.”
― José Saramago, Death with Interruptions |
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....may be your santa claus....
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Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down. I hope this clarifies the matter.
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would only accept such advice from a Dr
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Thank you for your confidence Capt!
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“Once upon a time there was a young prince who believed in all things but three. He did not believe in princesses, he did not believe in islands, he did not believe in God. His father, the king, told him that such things did not exist. As there were no princesses or islands in his father's domains, and no sign of God, the young prince believed his father.
But then, one day, the prince ran away from his palace. He came to the next land. There, to his astonishment, from every coast he saw islands, and on these islands, strange and troubling creatures whom he dared not name. As he was searching for a boat, a man in full evening dress approached him along the shore. Are those real islands?' asked the young prince. Of course they are real islands,' said the man in evening dress. And those strange and troubling creatures?' They are all genuine and authentic princesses.' Then God must exist!' cried the prince. I am God,' replied the man in full evening dress, with a bow. The young prince returned home as quickly as he could. So you are back,' said the father, the king. I have seen islands, I have seen princesses, I have seen God,' said the prince reproachfully. The king was unmoved. Neither real islands, nor real princesses, I have seen God,' said the prince reproachfully. The king was unmoved. Neither real islands, nor real princesses, nor a real God exist.' I saw them!' Tell me how God was dressed.' God was in full evening dress.' Were the sleeves of his coat rolled back?' The prince remembered that they had been. The king smiled. That is the uniform of a magician. You have been deceived.' At this, the prince returned to the next land, and went to the same shore, where once again he came upon the man in full evening dress. My father the king has told me who you are,' said the young prince indignantly. 'You deceived me last time, but not again. Now I know that those are not real islands and real princesses, because you are a magician.' The man on the shore smiled. It is you who are deceived, my boy. In your father's kingdom there are many islands and many princesses. But you are under your father's spell, so you cannot see them.' The prince pensively returned home. When he saw his father, he looked him in the eyes. Father, is it true that you are not a real king, but only a magician?' The king smiled, and rolled back his sleeves. Yes, my son, I am only a magician.' Then the man on the shore was God.' The man on the shore was another magician.' I must know the real truth, the truth beyond magic.' There is no truth beyond magic,' said the king. The prince was full of sadness. He said, 'I will kill myself.' The king by magic caused death to appear. Death stood in the door and beckoned to the prince. The prince shuddered. He remembered the beautiful but unreal islands and the unreal but beautiful princesses. Very well,' he said. 'I can bear it.' You see, my son,' said the king, 'you too now begin to be a magician.” ― John Fowles |
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Very interesting Mr b. The fact of the matter is that no one has ever returned to tell us the truth. In fact there can be only 2 outcomes in death. 1) Our own personal heaven where we are reunited with our loved ones and the pain of the sadnesses and losses of our lives are gone. 2) There is nothing and the pain of the sadnesses and losses of our lives are gone. We will all live on in the hearts of those we leave behind and when THEY are gone it will be as if most of us never existed. And that is the way it should be. I hope this clarifies the matter.
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No fee Slicer?
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It is the season of goodwill, so please accept this generous gesture free of charge.
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Slicer, is there a heaven where dinosaurs exist please? (fee applicable)
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Spend less time (i.e. zero) thinking about the prospect of life after death and more time on maximizing life before death.
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Indeed Angoose. I spend no time in thinking about any prospect of life after death.
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If you wish dinosaurs to exist in your heaven, they will. Mr Angoose is correct. Too many people focus on life after death instead of trying to make something of their lives on this planet. Religion was invented during times when life was so terrible that the promise of a heavenly existence after death was hope giving to the suffering.
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"Religion is the opium of the masses".
Vladimir Lenin. |
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"Opium is the religion of the Columbians and Afghans!"
Dr Slicer |
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You would have earned a small fee there if you had mentioned the Peruvians!
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For a moment I thought you had 3 months to live and I thought how brave...now I feel cheated.
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Mr b, I don't bother about small fees. Any fee that can be paid in currency that jingle jangles in the pocket is not worth anything to a investor like what I is. If it doesn't rustle in the pocket, I donate it to charity by throwing the coins up into the air. The deities of the world's religion then catch and take what they want and anything left goes to those wot want to go down on their hands n knees to pick it op off the ground!
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Anyway, I would love to continue this deep philosophical discussion, but it's time for a spot of tiffin, so I shall say so long and good luck.
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I used to enjoy a bar of tiffin but not available in my area anymore..
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I think we all fear death...it is instinctive, which is just as well or we would probably have all given up
and committed suicide years ago...well I would have. Our fear of death does not do us much good, we all die in the end. A tragedy if we die young I fell, once we get old, it is par for the course. |
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Death gives meaning to life.
Too much emphasis these days on quantity of life rather than quality I don't fear death in someways I'm looking forward to it. I'd just like a bit of notice so I can savour the experience. |
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Nice to see some Brain Capers going on here!
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ebulGery 28 Dec 16 14:05
I think we all fear death...it is instinctive I disagree, its not being dead that most people fear but the manner in which one eventually goes. |
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Well we would all like to go painlessly pumphol.
Surely we fear the unknown, not existing...our brains think ahead, but we cannot think past death. Unless we have some sort of religious belief. If our life is painful either physically or mental, we may seek death, but that is to end the pain. |
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I have returned from my tiffin break. Yes, I remember Tiffin bars, and delicious they were too. I used the term tiffin in its less specific sense. This thread is one of the more interesting and serious ones so I am happy to contribute until just after the 3.10 at Leicester. I have seen many dead bodies in my time, and in a high percentage of them, the faces are relaxed with some even smiling. I put this down to release from suffering. It is correct to say quality rather than quantity and that it is the fear of the manner of death rather than death itself that is felt. I have had personal friends who have deteriorated and told me that they would embrace death with open arms. I feel that Alzheimers is one of the cruellest conditions and that although the patient is unaware of it, death is a welcome release, certainly at the moment.
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All living things are programmed to survive that's why we fear death.
It's overcoming that instinct which allows you not to fear death. |
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Mr Pillock-when you have seen the things I have seen, it is not too difficult to see how easy it is for some to overcome that instinct.
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I feel that Alzheimers is one of the cruellest conditions and that although the patient is unaware of it, death is a welcome release, certainly at the moment.
A truly hideous illness with which I have witnessed on more than one occassion. Apparently it is now the biggest single killer in the UK overtaking heart disease and cancer. I will have no choice in the matter when I go but if I did I would take my chance with the latter. |
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Mr b- an interesting post. Statistics show that 1 in 2 people born in 1960 or later will suffer from some form of cancer in their lifetime. An unbelievable number, but a true projection. The NHS will collapse under the weight of Alzheimers within the next 2 generations if the care system does not develop sufficiently.
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Mr b- an interesting post. Statistics show that 1 in 2 people born in 1960 or later will suffer from some form of cancer in their lifetime. An unbelievable number, but a true projection. The NHS will collapse under the weight of Alzheimers within the next 2 generations if the care system does not develop sufficiently.
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Opps- sorry about the 2nd posting.
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That's not a problem Slicer when it's fee free!!
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