SHOCKING

I don't trust any stats without first having an understanding of who they are from and what their motivation is.

JRF’s definition of poverty is:

‘When a person’s resources (mainly their material resources) are not sufficient to meet their minimum needs (including social participation).’

I think Mike Ashley sums it up by buying a jet for £40 million to "facilitate efficiencies"

It is shocking.

One of the causes is immigration.
The downward pressure on wages is caused by immigration.
The sponsoring of Muslim enclaves is costly and wrong.
The permitting of the Roma in creating their own homeland in Britain another huge drain on your exchequer.

The encouraging of health tourism another huge cost.

Stop letting wealthy people feel good about themselves and start looking after your own needy.

Nothing to do with Austerity then...

We've only got austerity because of the things that WMFB has pointed out,the immigrants are bleeding us to death.

What a disgusting outfit that Roma lot are. What benefit are they to this country?

Jesus, you sheeple

PorcupineorPineapple 08 Dec 16 11:49
Jesus, you sheeple

Why is your knee-jerk reaction to call people names instead of actually discussing the points made?

Go ahead and rip those "sheeple's" arguments to shreds instead of coming out with the standard name calling.

Because, the sheeple won't change their minds. Everything is the fault of migrants. The end.

why bother ripping their arguments when they will just
post more bigoted carp on another thread?

Ready and waiting...

Mr Bigot...

The first post about immigration says it's one of the causes. No one is saying it's the only cause.

Not much point in explaining to lefty white haters, Shrewdy..

ripping their arguments


Haha, now that's funny. In another life lefty..

It is shocking.

One of the causes is immigration.
The downward pressure on wages is caused by immigration.
The sponsoring of Muslim enclaves is costly and wrong.
The permitting of the Roma in creating their own homeland in Britain another huge drain on your exchequer.

indeed it is, then defaults to bigoted diatribe

Where is the bigotry ?
Which of the statements do you find bigoted ?

Six myths about Immigration debunked;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-migration-six-myths-about-...

The definition of poverty used is those living off 60% of median household income. Median income being about £25k per household.

What I'm unclear about is whether those in this bracket then receive state help. I'm sure they do, so how can they still be in poverty?

When you understand the definition of poverty this sort of thing doesnt actually mean much.

Its because the defintion of poverty doesnt equate to being in poverty.

If the rich get richer then more people fall into "poverty" without their situation changing.

Its a joke definition which is totally meaningless.

Because, the sheeple won't change their minds. Everything is the fault of migrants. The end.

And you're not just as bad by saying it isn't the fault of migrants.

You do know there's a difference between saying not everything's the fault of migrants and nothing's the fault of migrants, no?

well, they ain't bleeding 'elping

There is a big difference between blaming immigration and blaming immigrants. Read what people say pineapple not what you want to read.

all this poverty and some won't even give shelter to a couple of poor immigrants

i can't stand Mike Ashley  - but his 40m jet and whatever else he earns hasn't come at the expense of the poor in the UK  - the UK poor benefit from this man   (the difference is money other rich individuals would have raked ) - those other rich lose out  /and... workers in the far east are  working even harder to survive.

I was originally replying to khyber and next to bigmo shrewdie. They both mentioned migrants, not immigration. Mobo also referenced them, not it. Maybe you should read what people say eh?

As usual IAN runs off.

But as we now have another 2 lefty white-haters..


1/IAN1 - Facts
2/IAN2 - Porky
3/IAN3 - Donald

All now fully qualified IANS in their own left (hehe)

guinness - white hater? Please do elucidate.

It's a generalisation; just like bigot..

No, if I were to call you a bigot I'd be calling you a bigot. You called me a white hater. Based on what exactly?

No?

Pineapple you were the first one to mention immigrants on the thread and changed the conversation.

PorcupineorPineapple

Because, the sheeple won't change their minds. Everything is the fault of migrants. The end.

shrewdie - I invite you to read the 11.32 post and then note when I came in. I admit I removed the "im". (Slaps own wrist)

khyber kim    08 Dec 16 11:32 
We've only got austerity because of the things that WMFB has pointed out,the immigrants are bleeding us to death.


We've only got austerity because the Tories imposed it on us. It was not a necessity, it was purely a political decision.
Working class



The best off 10% take 28% of all income - and half of that is taken by the best off 1%."

The Conservatives legacy is 4 million children in the UK living in poverty whilst our national debt profile gets progressively worse.
The media have colluded with the Government to portray a false narrative, where they would have the People blame immigrants instead of the government for the problems caused by intentionally underfunding and running down services pending privatisation.

All this happened whilst the Tories were splitting us into 'strivers' and 'scroungers' - and the Tories in government kept their wealth offshore to avoid tax.

Austerity is the biggest con trick  inflicted by the most divisive government since Thatcher.





Sent from my iPad

Facts 08 Dec 16 14:08 

Blah de blah de Tories blah de rich people robbing poor people blah de blah de blah

Sent from my iPad

Just thought this was quite funny for some reason.

it's short for immigrants pad

You certainly won't find any Pretendy Refugees in IAN1's house, and judging by the cringeworthy iPad namecheck he knows precious little about poverty as well.

I caught a bit of newsnight last night where their was a scottish van driver earning £250 per week so he would to be struggling on such a poor wage, but isnt that below the minimum wage or did i hear it wrong ?

I couldn't understand a single word he said tbh, Ibra.

Neither could I saddo and I'm Scottish.

I listened again on the later news but still no good 

What is shocking is that someone can come up with an arbitrary silly definition of "poverty" as a % of a median income, and lefties don't see what's wrong with that and get on their high horses and mouth off. It's a nonsense. It, almost by definition, will create a section of people in "poverty" regardless of what their actual quality of life is. If everyone was well off, you could have two cars and 4 holidays a year and eat champers and cavear and still be in poverty if other people in the sample were better off than you. Also, 60% of 25k across the UK? In london that would be a very different prospect than in a place in the North where the cost of living (rent, a pint etc) was hugely lower.

It's a rubbish measurement. And as for the lefttards going on about the supposed austerity, in what way would reducing "austerity" increase the income of someone who already actually has a job? Riddle us that? Would keeping a library open help?

spending money on infrastucture will cause inflation of wages

austerity has deflated wages



if everybody in uk earned over 1 million a year we would still have a large percentage
in technical poverty by current mesures

poverty should be defined along other lines

Wot austerity?  hooze suffering ossteritory?  You ain't seen nuffink yet  ho ho!!!

I have a friend who doesn't like to work. he said last time I saw him that he would really have to see to it soon that he would start to work hard.
Iron resolutions like that are a good thing but for all that he hasn't started work.
when I last seen him in the summer he was eating whole handfuls of wild strawberries.

Possibly the time will come one day when anyone caught in such idleness will be thrown in jail and sentenced to hard labour.

big problem is foreigners and foreign businesses leaching off the uk.
it all costs dosh and wages

less jobs for our younger people

and as for the EU  - look at the strides forward it has done for most of southern europe's young people

a glittering example

When I saw him eating the strawberries I thought to myself, they look nice.
and I am glad that in Britain even the most lazy loafer is allowed to eat strawberries and not thrown in jail.

fewer jobs

Keeping this warm. Someone has something to say on the matter.

IMMIGRATION IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY?

1 in 8 of the working population of the UK is allegedly in poverty.

The HMRC defines poverty as children living in households receiving ‘out of work benefits’, as well as those receiving Tax Credits, whose income is still below 60% of the Before Housing Costs (BHC)

How many of those 1 in 8 are in London, where housing costs are higher than anywhere in the UK?

The cheapest housing anywhere in London is in the east end in the Criminal Republic Of Newham.

The population of the C.R.O.N. is 320,000, but only 16% of those (51,200) are white indigenous.

The unemployment figures for the C.R.O.N. are higher than any other London borough.

Those that do work full time are mostly minimum wage earners.

Minimum wage in the cheapest borough, the C.R.O.N. - won’t even pay the rent on a Victorian 3 bed-roomed house, never mind feed a family.

Figures from 2012 indicate that:

4.9% are on income support - The figure for the rest of London is 4.4%

35.6% are on council tax benefit - The figure for the rest of London is 25.3%

40.1% are on housing benefit - The figure for the rest of London is 27.2%

JSA (Jobseekers Allowance) Claimants in February 2013

Males - Newham - 5.8%

Males - London - 4.8%

Males - UK - 5.1%

Females - Newham - 4.4%

Females - London - 3.2%

Females - UK - 2.7%

==========================================

JSA Claimant count by duration 2013

UP TO 6 MONTHS

Newham - 2.9%

London - 2.2%

UK - 2.2%

OVER 6 MONTHS UP TO 12 MONTHS

Newham - 0.8%

London - 0.6%

UK - 0.6%

OVER 12 MONTHS

Newham - 1.4%

London - 1.1%

UK - 1.0%

immigration is good if the immigrants are great people   . we can do an exchange and send the UK  tw4ts over there

How many people have starved to death in 'Poverty Britain' after these last 6 years of the "Savage Tory Cuts" ™ ?

(Excluding any children starved to death by monstrous neglectful parents in London loony left boroughs, where lefty (Anti) Social Workers 'saw nothing' to concern them).

Poverty is to be redifned by the Joseph Rowntree foundation as "having an iPhone that's more than 3 years old".

Guardian in uproar at these horrifying stats! Something must be done! Vote Corbyn, he'll outlaw it!

In April 2013 - 31.1% of Newham’s children lived in households where all the adults were ‘out of work’ and receiving jobless benefits (JSA or Incapacity Benefit).

The figure for the whole of London is 26.3%.

======================================

From the 2011 census:

The main language in the C.R.O.N. is English, with 58.6% speaking it.

The figure for all of London is 77.9%

The figure for the UK is 92%

CRIME

The total crime figures for London fell from 2012 to 2013 but increased in Newham

NUMBER OF OFFENCES - LONDON 2011 to 2012 - 816,609

NUMBER OF OFFENCES - LONDON 2012 to 2013 - 787,121

NUMBER OF OFFENCES - NEWHAM 2011 to 2012 - 31,829

NUMBER OF OFFENCES - NEWHAM 2012 to 2013 - 32,809

=======================================

Based on the Index of Multiple Depravation, Newham is the 3rd poorest borough in the country.

In April 2012 - 51% in Newham lived in working households receiving Tax Credits. This was the highest percentage in all of London. The London average is 31%.

=======================================

So, we have lots of lovely benefit claimants in the 3rd poorest borough in the country.

Due to the way housing benefits payments have changed, instead of the rent going directly to the landlords, it now goes to the tenant, and naturally, as they are ‘in poverty’,  it gets spent on food, so there are loads of evictions for those ‘in poverty’ who didn’t pay their rent.

With so many ‘in poverty’ it makes you wonder where the money comes from that keeps open the 80 (yes, eighty) betting shops in the borough.

Not to worry if you do your JSA in the bookies, Newham has TWO food banks,

Wages do NOT need to go up.

The cost of rent NEEDS to come down.

And best not to name the female Newham Councillor who owns 19 (yes, 19) buy-to-let properties in the borough.

If the rest of the UK knew the cost of the annual Housing Benefit bill for the whole of London, the sh*t could well hit the fan.


cmat

Hard to get a taxi in Newham nowadays.

not a glimmer

More boring shyte from glimmer and posted by his main fan

Good to see him back.

Good to see him back.

You didn't answer the question, crage. He wants to know if you would like to take part in a scientific survey. Well?

I can remember when poverty was defined as earning less than a dollar a day.  Which may date me.  But invoking some arbitrary level based on % of average wage and then looking sad?  The people who come up with these figures are the educated middle classes who use the system to bulk up their wages and pensions.  No official poor people, no loot for the parasites.

Metinks the lefties have had a good kicking in this fred again..

When will the seethe end?

Question for Facts

Which one of you leftie Cambridge Punts has taken in the most refugees?

You or Slob Geldof?

You said you had, and in September 2015, he said he would.

geldof took in bono

facts should have taken in the romanian family on my 'what housing shortage' thread.

but he didn't

He has conflicting views, too many poor people in the country, but all for making it worse for em by letting more poor people in to spread the jam even thinner.

Some of the so called poverty stricken we see on telly look like sumo wrestlers in sweatpants. How is that possible? Also, why did Facts write "sent from my iPad" at the bottom of his post? Was it supposed to signify something? All mine are sent from an iPad and that line doesn't automatically appear. Unless he was just pasting somebody else's words from an email?

Shock horror, copy and pasting !!
it was an extract from an email id sent someone.
So ?

So what? I was only asking.

And now you've told me. No need to get all shirty about it.

Anyway, how is it possible for a whole family who are supposedly poverty stricken to resemble hippopotamuses?

Hi Torquemada.

How did the rally go?

Anybody living on benefits for more than a couple of years has no right to be fat, that's just liberty taking as far as I'm concerned. I don't hold down two jobs to pay for some lazy lard arses to sit on their backsides eating crisps and watching Jeremy Kyle on a 50 inch telly all day. Some people's sense of entitlement is staggering.

Hi EK. I must be having a brain freeze. What rally mate? Oh, hang on, I'm probably setting myself up for a punchline here, am I?

The EDL or something of that ilk must have been marching T.

Ah, gotcha.

Yer spot on about the overweight/poverty issue.
Be peep classed as living in poverty but owning a mobile, pc or some other can't do without appliance not to mention the cigarettes and booze.

Sorry - I thought you'd retuned from a rally. Thought you raced rally cars.

Raced rally cars? Chance would be a fine thing, my motor is 17 years old!

It would pleasant to race rally cars and play in bridge tournaments across Europe.

Aye, with a sexy blonde in tow!

Isn't that Omar Sharif from one of his films?

EK thought I was Omar Sharif? If he wasn't dead I'd be quite flattered!

Omar Sharif, not EK, obviously.

Yes - could be, aka. I also got the bridge idea from an episode of 'Lewis'.

Was a lot of beautiful women involved as well. Not a bad career move.

Extract from a report on the link between smoking and the poor in our society.


' ........: 'It is not that these people become poor and then irresponsibly take up smoking to make themselves worse off. About half of people in all income groups take up smoking, but the better off give it up while those in low-income groups find it most difficult, or almost impossible, perhaps because of the stress of poverty but probably because they live in a society where smoking remains normal.'

The study shows that a marginal improvement in quality of life, such as being an owner-occupier, rapidly leads to people being no more likely to smoke than anyone else. 'This evidence suggests that it does not take very much in the way of social and economic improvement to inoculate the majority of men and women against smoking.

'It is when one disadvantage combines with another and then another that low-income families smoke in so much greater numbers. Put most simply, disadvantage doubles smoking.'.......'

Facts it's very simple.
If you are genuinely struggling to make ends meet but smoke you deserve no sympathy.

Yes, it's easy to say that if you're not in their situation. ' common sense' rules don't apply..
It's widely acknowledged that when you have nothing, and you are in desperate straits , smoking is one of the only ' comforts'/ pleasures'  left.

If 100 people lived on earth

If 100 people lived on earth

—1 has 50% of all money
—56 no Internet access
—14 can't read
—13 no clean water

Anyone forking out a tenner a day for 20 snouts needs their head testing

Inbox me i'll sort you out some good tobacco 50 grams £8 Top quality most brands available

I find it odd that 'the allegedly poor' who aren't actually poor, don't smoke.

need a second morgage for cigs

mortgage

xmoneyx How many of that 100 live in the UK?