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banging on about productivity been the way for people to get pay rises whilst boss,s have a ready made supply of labour from the eu work as hard as you like your wages are gouing nowhere unless the law tells them to do so
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Report ZenMaster November 21, 2016 11:17 AM GMT
Upping productivity only ups the 'expected efficiency levels' of employees.

120% efficiency rates become the expected norm and soon become 80% on the graphs.
Distribution Centres give out awards to the most efficient employees ( those who work to around 120% )
Those at 80% (the accepted norm) are told to look  those working at 120% and wonder why they can not do the same.

Wages do not increase.
Report twizzle22 November 21, 2016 11:17 AM GMT
Agreed...as a side issue i received a cheque from Santander today for 54p..is this some kind of pi$$ take?
Report ZenMaster November 21, 2016 11:20 AM GMT
Over supply encourages this format.

The *owners* dine out on this system.

How do the liberals feel about this?
Oh, they support it.
Report Dr Crippen November 21, 2016 11:22 AM GMT
It's always been tough at the top.
Report 1st time poster November 21, 2016 11:33 AM GMT
we cant get 2 of the countrys highflyers mr le roux and mr ashley to even abide by the law and pay the minimum wage
Report 1st time poster November 21, 2016 11:36 AM GMT
i helped my boss win loads of winning bets but got nothing out of it

he used to say to me every morning  nightshift have finished 10 of them last night i bet you cant beat that,i always said  i bet cant, Wink
Report dunlaying November 21, 2016 11:46 AM GMT
Signed.
Report Dr Crippen November 21, 2016 11:55 AM GMT
The harder you work the longer you live.
Report ZenMaster November 21, 2016 12:00 PM GMT
That must only apply to southerners Dr.
Report 1st time poster November 21, 2016 12:05 PM GMT
straight from the non manual work handbook
Report i_agree_with_nick November 21, 2016 12:08 PM GMT
I worked in an office until about nine years ago and tbf, most of them were under-productive - forever on the internet, chatting, endless cups of tea, long lunch breaks...

I don't know what it's like now - on the one hand economic climate is tougher but on the other, everyone's got a smartphone and is on facebook, twitter etc
Report G1_Jockey_4 November 21, 2016 12:12 PM GMT
i call it shorttermism coming back to bite.
Report ZenMaster November 21, 2016 12:19 PM GMT
Bosses should ban social media from the workplace and only allow use during official breaks.
Nothing wrong with that.

That is more your office environment where that is a problem.

Factory/warehouse environments do not offer enough down time to accommodate moblie phone use.
Report Stow_judge November 21, 2016 12:19 PM GMT
I don't think anyone can work from the minute they get in to the minute they leave. People have always had lots of breaks at work in between. Whilst they now will be spending that time largely on the internet, people would previously take breaks in many different ways. e.g. chatting about the weekend, football ....
Employers would be wise to focus on the amount of work completed by staff, rather than judge them on the hours they work, or the time they spend on the internet. Some people do lots of hours, yet achieve less than others who complete the basic requirement for hours.
Report 1st time poster November 21, 2016 12:25 PM GMT
monday morning you could go into millions of shops, cafes,pubs, hairdressers, ,etc,etc 2,3 4 etc people in each one doing absolutely nothing not a customer in sight, we,re a service economy,how do you measure productivity in a service economy
Report Dr Crippen November 21, 2016 12:29 PM GMT
The harder you work the longer you live.

I'll tell you were I got from ''Sir Dennis Thatcher'' He lived until he was 88.

Don't you just love them.

I'll tell you an even better one - ''the earlier you retire the longer you live.''
Now that really is sound advice.
Report mobo November 21, 2016 2:40 PM GMT
Depends if you actually MAKE something.
Report 1st time poster November 21, 2016 3:06 PM GMT
in general the uk doesnt but millions of immigrants will bring you a nice cup of coffee for a fiver
Report TheChaser November 21, 2016 3:12 PM GMT
ZenMaster 21 Nov 16 12:19 Joined: 24 Mar 16 | Topic/replies: 2,773 | Blogger: ZenMaster's blog
Bosses should ban social media from the workplace and only allow use during official breaks.
Nothing wrong with that.

That is more your office environment where that is a problem.

Factory/warehouse environments do not offer enough down time to accommodate moblie phone use.




If you leave your station for a p1ss your fired Laugh
Report kincsem November 21, 2016 3:17 PM GMT
Tip from one of our warehouse staff "always carry a sheet of paper" = looks like you are doing something.
Report TheChaser November 21, 2016 3:18 PM GMT
kincsem
kincsem 21 Nov 16 15:17 Joined: 12 Apr 04 | Topic/replies: 7,880 | Blogger: kincsem's blog
Tip from one of our warehouse staff "always carry a sheet of paper" = looks like you are doing something.


Clipboard and pointing helps also
Report TheChaser November 21, 2016 3:19 PM GMT
i worked in a warehouse and a machine broke down the guy running it was blaming people on the line and saying no one would be leaving until the targets where hit Laugh

Its open 24/7 the next lot came in and everyone basically told the guy to fck right off LaughLaugh
Report padlock November 21, 2016 3:44 PM GMT
Only mugs work for a boss
Hth
Report TheChaser November 21, 2016 3:47 PM GMT
I agree padlock

Working for £5-£6 and hour after tax is slavery

Can make that on 25p bets or washing a few neighbours cars , cutting the peoples grass , washing windows etc
Report i_agree_with_nick November 21, 2016 4:59 PM GMT
There are very few people who can make a regular income from betting. Fewer still who are earning £6 an hour.
Report TheChaser November 21, 2016 5:12 PM GMT
factory workers after tax make about £6 an hour

12k tax free


18 to 20 min wage is even lower ( that's who factories employ if they can )


Year    25 and over    21 to 24    18 to 20    Under 18    Apprentice
October 2016 (current rate)    £7.20    £6.95    £5.55    £4.00    £3.40


Believe it or not under 18 min wage is £4

Look at a lot of jobs they say UNDER 25s
Report TheChaser November 21, 2016 5:15 PM GMT
They told us a few year ago youngsters where not getting jobs and would create them

It was to keep wages down in reality though


850 jobs for 16-24 year olds at The Big Hospitality Conversation Dundee

http://www.bha.org.uk/bha_news/850-jobs-for-16-24-year-olds-at-the-big-hospitality-conversation-dundee/


Over 850 job opportunities, apprenticeships and work placements for 16 to 24 year olds were pledged today, Tuesday 26th January, by over 100 businesses at the Big Hospitality Conversation at the Apex Hotel in Dundee, attended by the Minister for Youth and Women's Employment, Annabelle Ewing, MSP.





If your 25 in Dundee no job allowed here it seems
Report TheChaser November 21, 2016 5:20 PM GMT
2011 they tell us this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/15258386/why-are-under-25s-hardest-hit-by-unemployment



Then suddenly they create SLAVE jobs


https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2153553/sun-employment-unemployed-under-25s-to-snatch-up-20000-job-opportunities-at-uks-biggest-careers-event/




20,000 jobs for under 25s in Birmingham coming up why under 25 and why is the min wage now in 4-5 age groups ?
Report 1st time poster November 21, 2016 5:21 PM GMT
company boss,s are after squeezing every last penny into their profits and have no interest in trickling down better terms to their employees when they have a ready made workforce prepared to work for the minimum wage and less provided for them by the government,cameron even give boss,s free labour of under 21,s paid for by the taxpayer who were forced to work in retail etc to get their dole even though it worked out under the minimum wage
as i put on another thread yesterday its some of the countrys biggest earners sport,restraunts,pop concerts etc who pay their agency workers peanuts
Report TheChaser November 21, 2016 5:21 PM GMT
40 hours a week for £160 LaughLaughLaugh come on play the game
Report TheChaser November 21, 2016 5:24 PM GMT
37.5 don't forget they 30 minutes they take off people just to go for a slash
Report TheChaser November 21, 2016 5:26 PM GMT
Over 25s get min wage £7.20


    Yearly    Monthly    Weekly    Daily
Gross Income    £14,040.00    £1,170.00    £270.00    £54.00
Pension Deductions    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
Childcare Vouchers    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
Salary Sacrifice    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
Taxable Benefits    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
Pre-tax deductions    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
Taxable Income    £3,040.00    £253.33    £58.46    £11.69
Tax    £608.00    £50.67    £11.69    £2.34
National Insurance    £717.60    £59.80    £13.80    £2.76
Student Loan    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
Post-tax deductions    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
Take Home    £12,714.40    £1,059.53    £244.51    £48.90



Do overtime and you get robbed more
Report TheChaser November 21, 2016 5:27 PM GMT
18-20 year olds min wage

    Yearly    Monthly    Weekly    Daily
Gross Income    £10,822.50    £901.88    £208.13    £41.63
Pension Deductions    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
Childcare Vouchers    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
Salary Sacrifice    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
Taxable Benefits    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
Pre-tax deductions    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
Taxable Income    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
Tax    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
National Insurance    £331.50    £27.63    £6.38    £1.28
Student Loan    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
Post-tax deductions    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00    £0.00
Take Home    £10,491.00    £874.25    £201.75    £40.35
Report G1_Jockey_4 November 21, 2016 7:34 PM GMT
bosses wont pay more unless there is a demand for workers.

but lower immigration and they sell less..

catch 22.

best thing imo would be to force down house prices and rents.
give more money in people pockets.

may need a house building plan .

the tories wont do it though as it affects their own wealth.

imo we need house prices to come down by 50%.

businesses will be better off for it as lower costs filter down ...every one is a winner bar those who got mortgages at the high point.
Report saddo November 21, 2016 7:49 PM GMT
I have no mortgage, I would not regard myself a winner if my house halved in value. It would be better if they fell though
Report 1st time poster November 21, 2016 7:51 PM GMT
off course all these luxury goods buisness,s, high end restraunts etc only excist  because of the ridiculous high wages companies etc pay themselves,if there was a 50% house price crash in london,mr le roux wouldnt be selling many portions of smoked hay at 100 quid a pop
Report G1_Jockey_4 November 21, 2016 7:55 PM GMT
you wouldnt e a loser either saddo.
Report saddo November 21, 2016 8:02 PM GMT
I'll sell it just before it happens, then buy two Wink
Report 1st time poster November 21, 2016 8:02 PM GMT
if trump carries out his plans for massive infrastruture spending in the usa,you can look forward to 6,7,8% mortgage rates in the uk in the next 5 to 10 years,its coming down the line make sure you have a chair to sit on when the music stops
Report G1_Jockey_4 November 21, 2016 8:04 PM GMT
then youd be a winner...
Report lfc1971 November 21, 2016 8:14 PM GMT
our era no longer needs people, there are millions of them.
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