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06 Nov 16
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Nigel Farage to Gina Miller 'What part of leave don't you understand?' BBC News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgIib_Uj1T4
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i thought farage was a democrat
what part of democracy does this gravytrainer not understand ? |
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or the part where a cabal of gravytrainers con the public and worry now the truth is out
they will change their minds ? hey ho, farage hasnt been made dictator any more than mother theresa |
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strange rambling post, not sure what you mean
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and almost allowing the odious Abu Hamza to escape proceedings.
Just like Labour did for the best part of 20 years. |
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labour have nothing to do with mays dealings with the courts
thats a different issue the conservatives can introduce a simple bill to trigger article 50 there need be no other reason for the bill and no mention of single markets nor immigration. they have a majority and many labour mps will support them. why she chooses not to do so is baffling she risks the supreme court passing comment as to negotiations if others ask for further powers to be considered during the appeal.. |
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donny I'm fairly sure a bill would be amended to say that single market access is a red line.
The implications of that who knows, but there is half a chance of getting a deal agreed in the Art. 50 negotiations if we stay in the single market. There is no chance of a completely new trade deal being agreed in that timescale as that would involve complex negotiations and unanimous agreement. |
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ffs theres some loons about even if the remoaners pass a bill in the commons without demanding a say on the bills contents ,there,ll be comforted by the fact its long odds on that the lords will send any bill back to be amended to include some of the things corbyn,cleggy ,souberry,clarke,and the rest of the mp remoaners want in
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they can try to amend it but the tory majority can see it through as a narrow bill.
6 month timescale could have been through by end of march. canada took 7 years to negotiate a deal , we wouldnt be done any favours by french and germans and any other could veto it, so best not leave it in first place if we can get a decent deal. if we have to hard brexit then so be it, but there are numerous better options for us to try first. |
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if mps reject the bill they will be removed at a general election
if unelected lords try to block it, they cant, they can merely delay |
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canada took 7 years to negotiate a deal , we wouldnt be done any favours by french
and germans and any other could veto it, so best not leave it in first place if we can get a decent deal. we wouldn't be done any favours by the Germans? What are they going to do, do serious damage to their car industry just to punish us? All MPs who defy their constituents and vote against any Brexit deal will be out. That is fairly simple to understand surely? This Court decision is a great thing. It will complete the exercise in recovering our democracy that was started on June 23rd. The Remainers are laughing now, but they will be defeated at the ballot box, or afterwards in a bloodbath. |
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brexit will hit german car sales to uk whatever the terms of brexit
indeed they are already hit by currency fluctuation an extra 10% tariff would easily be absorbed by the rip off dealers in the uk |
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mother theresa has already give assurances to nissan which suggests she is ready to allow
tariff free access to german cars post brexit so long as the deal is reciprocated |
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junker has been telling the german car manufacturers to f off - think he might be going somehow? Merkel going deaf due to the screams of the manufacturers 'leave the uk alone you silly ....' haha
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What are they going to do, do serious damage to their car industry just to punish us?
Presumably you are referring to the German cars made in Britain ie when the UK leaves the single market without a trade deal, the German cars made in the UK would be subject to tariffs if exported to Europe? You can't possibly be suggesting that Liam Fox's free trade Britain would be placing tariffs on German imports to the UK. |
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Brexit voters understood that the EU were taking the position that the UK would be offered on concessions upon an out vote (Junkers etc) and still chose to vote that way anticipating that the EU would not cut off its nose to spite its face.
For this reason I am confused as to why the remainers continue to insist that we did not know what we voting for, even with an MPs vote to enact article 50 they will not know what they are voting for as negotiations will not start prior to Article 50. It makes me nauseous listening to the likes of Anna Soubry pretending that the will of the people will be implemented, this whole vote thing is an artifice to weaken the UK negotiating position giving the EU representatives the opportunity to continue to refuse concessions so that the remainer MPs can say that knowing whats on the table they cannot possibly vote for it. We all know that negotiation is horse trading and we dont know what is on either parties get/give lists, I thought May had done quite well putting pro-Brexit people in charge of negotiations and am far happer with them doing their bidding for me rather than a bunch of two faced MPs pretending that they are enacting the will of the people when their real motive is to at worst (in their opinion) maintain membership albeit in a different wrapping |
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TrainStopper please understand that the UK has no "cards" or "positions". Two years after article 50, we are out facing trade tariffs and non tariff barriers. Anything other than that will be what the 27 decide to give us, not what we decide to give them.
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we all know it is a wrecking spree - they have never been able to swallow the fact that the thick sundurlanders voted cut off their dear giant corrupt gravy train
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As long as Brexit stops millions from the EU coming to work in England that will be a success. They won`t like that, but if Germany and France and Poland and Spain and Greece are not able to look after themselves that is too bad
unfortunately times up. |
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Nobody who is a member of these great nations should want to come to England, and England should not go running after new friends.
it is too much work to ward off their influence. |
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dave 1357, really the UK has no cards or positions? we have the fifth largest economy in the world, once the posturing is over and done with they will negotiate IMO.
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had the 5th largest, we are currently 6th
why do brexitears claim to know what they voted for and then go on to show they clearly did not |
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They will have to ask us nicely.
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Its simple, the EU knows if Britain stops taking in their unemployed then the hole farce of open borders will collapse, 10 years max.
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I'm now pretty convinced that May is going to call an election early and so are the markets on here.
It seems pretty obvious that her government is very keen to be seen as keeping the interests of the hard brexit brigade onside as they see this as being central to winning. |
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They need the adaptability and stupidity of the British people, that's what they are relying on.
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that's what Germany and the rest are relying on, they have been given a shock and are still hoping that the British will be too cowardly to leave, lets see.
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The most rational approach, as Dominic Cummings suggested, is not to appeal, and move forward pushing it through parliament.
but this would play badly with the frothing loons who don't understand that the referendum was not legally binding (it could have been like Cleggy's AV referendum in 2011) and that we don't live in a direct democracy. that wouldn't matter if she intended to put it through and not call a GE until 2020, because no-one would remember that she declined the appeal once it went through (which it will) |
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Our best outcome would be if millions of remainers would leave Britain for whichever country would take them, there are many, 27, who cant stop them?
I went to Poland once, very dull. |
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the referendum was legally binding.
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stop. you've already had it explained to you.
you do yourself no favours by failing to admit that you got that wrong. |
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There has never in the history of Britain, been a bill that has been passed through parliament that was not legally binding.
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the bill made it legally binding to HAVE the referendum.
it was not legally binding to enact the result of referendum. can you see the difference? |
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ffs stop frothing and listen,theres a majority of remoaners in the commons most have already said they wont vote for or accept a straight bill for leaving the EU,they want an outline of what mays is going to ask for [ any cynic might think junker and mertel are writing cleggys, corbyns, remoaners script ]and even then if the remoaners get to meddle with the bill the lords and ladies will want their twopeneth,THERE IS NO SIMPLE WE,RE TRIGGERING ARTICLE 50 COME WHAT MAY,bill getting through the remoaners in the commons,capiche,get it,
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Here are Philip Hammonds words on the 2nd reading of the EU referendum bill in the House of Commons:
"Mr. Speaker, this is a simple but vital piece of legislation.It has one clear purpose: to give the British people the final say on our EU membership in an in/out referendum |
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i dont see how tories win from calling early election, they could increase majority
but waiting until 2020 with new boundaries (2018) is surely best for them ! |
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The most rational approach, as Dominic Cummings suggested, is not to appeal, and move forward pushing it through parliament.
yes because all along Cummings wants free movement of people that is why he wouldn't bring his group and Leave.EU together. |