'Missing' RAF man

You'll have excuse the bit at the start, I don't know what's going on there!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWdDMp2JgGU

Something fishy about this whole episode.

Almost as if the cops are muddying the trail intentionally.

The obvious seems to be continueously discarded in this investigation.

Anybody offering odds on this 1.01 yet?

Too smelly for cadaver dogs? It has been unseasonably warm. Could not get much better unless , of course , the corpse had already been relocated.

Anybody offering odds on this 1.01 yet?


Stupid boy

I'll take that as no then Zen. Just as well this isn't  a betting site that your spouting nonsense about certainties without being willing to lay a bet. Otherwise you'd look a right mug.

This is also the chit-chat forum where even the scroats that scrape the barrel realise that pricing up whether a corpse will be found at a waste disposal site is rather desperate.

You know that all the evidence now points to Corrie being in the bin and that the bin unloaded it's contents at the dump.

You are just looking desperate for someone to offer you 1000.

Stupid boy.

No it's a betting forum. When someone talks nonsense about something being a certainty or as if it has already happened then they get called on it. Regardless of the subject they look a right bull**** mug if they can't back up their position. All the evidence? A heavy bin and a mobile phone traced near the area. Well blow me down that's a sure thing.

I personally think it's more likely they won't find a body at the landfill but I'm happy to be wrong on that.  You however are just a bull**** mug who slavers on about certainties like the worst of the degenerates on the horse racing forum because one day you may get it right.

"I personally think it's more likely they won't find a body at the landfill but I'm happy to be wrong on that."

Classy...

So because this is a betting site you suggest we all should put our money where our mouths are regardless o the subject?

How long have you been an addict Shrewd_dude? have you considered that you have a problem?

By the way, it's not just a heavy bin. The extra weight calculates to the body weight of Corrie.

Anyway, you crack on gambling your life away on everything you disagree with, regardless of the subject.
You must be a joy to be around.

So because this is a betting site you suggest we all should put our money where our mouths are regardless o the subject?

How long have you been an addict Shrewd_dude? have you considered that you have a problem?

No. My problem is with bull****s talking nonsense. If you are going to talk about something as if it's a certainty then at least back it up in some way.

ScaredScaredScared Classy...

It's classier than jumping to the definitive conclusion that his dead body is at a landfill site just so you can be one of the first to get a dig in at the police.

By the way, it's not just a heavy bin. The extra weight calculates to the body weight of Corrie.

Whats your source for this extra weight calculation being relevant?

As far as I'm aware the initial load was 11kg and this was false data. The actual load was over 100kg.  11kg was not a calculation at one point then another calculation at another time was over 100kg. The 11kg was wrong and over 100kg was correct. They're not two different weights at two different times according to what I've read.

You have serious problems Shrewd, everyone in the investigation now know what the outcome will be.
The family includes military specialist on the case.

Yet you call this nonsense.

Is it worth anyone actually conversing with you anymore on this subject?

Commenting on the developments, the mother of the 23-year-old, Nicole Urquhart, said the search could “only mean one thing”.

“We know we are going to find Corrie in the landfill. There's just no way realistically that Corrie was not in the bin,” she added.


You better contact the mother Shrewd and tell her she is talking nonsense.

I'm not calling it nonsense they may find him there. I'm saying you are talking nonsense by saying everybody knows what happened and it's a certainty without actually backing this up with anything. There is clearly a chance he will be found there but to say that's a definite and to criticise the police on the basis simply because they are now investigating this line of the enquiry is in my view very presumptive

You can't seem to answer questions and back up things you say with any evidence but still it's certainty according to you.

Sound again like some mug on the horse racing forum who throws around "everyone knows who will win" so you can get an ego boost if you are right.

Quoting the no doubt extremely upset and traumatised mother of a missing person to back up your reason for being sure they will find the body there is not really supportive of your position.

had a look at some vids on you tube of a biffa truck emptying bins of the type in question
The hydraulic mechanism is automated and once that bin is tipped and on its way down there is a brutal blade that comes down with a cutting and clawing motion that is designed to break objects and claw them into a hopper ,than another ram compacts the contents ,its not the second ram that would do serious damage its the first.
There would be serious bodily damage imo and what i dont understand is how no DNA was found in this vehicle ,human body has around 10 pints of blood and even if only 3/4 were lost its a lot of evidence .These trucks must have some sort of sump to contain liquids ,they could not be spilling waste on the road and prob have a way of containing fluid ,if the police went over that lorry and did not find any evidence of him then i must say i find that troubling ,suppose it will all come out in the inquest and doubt we are going to get any more on it till then .

As for you shrewd dude ,dont bother replying to this ,i cant be ersed being trolled by a mug like you .
please bore off ,you have nothing to offer this thread

Bread you're a **** but you are like a broken clock some of the time.

I'd find it very surpising if a 90kg person could be crushed and compacted in a bin truck along with a mere 10kg of other rubbish and no forensic evidence be left of human remains even if the truck wasn't examined until a week later.

It's a certainty though. Everybody knows what happened.

I still don't understand why anyone thinking of having a kip at 3.30am would choose to kip in a rubbish bin

Quoting the no doubt extremely upset and traumatised mother of a missing person to back up your reason for being sure they will find the body there is not really supportive of your position.


She is an experienced liaison officer and Corries uncle is an ex military investigative professional.
It is more than likely a NAP that they have gathered more information on the matter than some contrary gambling addict like yourself.

Well it's certainly helped them so far hasn't it.

They were not in charge of the search, and they were working with initial information which has now be deemed to have been incorrect.

I am sure that the new evidence that they have been presented with is more substantial than what you have.

It probably is. But given this is a very bizzare 6 month old missing person case where a lot of contradictory information has emerged at different times and numerous theories and lines of enquiry have been proposed or followed I fail to see how anybody could now say with certainty they know what happened and that this new line of enquiry will definitely bear results.

The only problem with your last post is that you believe that you receive the same information as those close to the case.
You absorb the information you have seen as contradictory mainly because you are not receiving the full picture. Not all is revealed to the public as you should know.
The family will hold more information than you or i, therefore when the family and police accept that he is in the waste disposal area then it becomes clear that they have a clearer picture than us.

Not forgetting that the family are now dropping all their other possibilities completely. Why would they do that?

Whatever the outcome i very much doubt the police are going to be covered in glory. Seems yet another case where they have screwed up .

The documentary on gay serial killer Stephen Port is still on iplayer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p04frgq1/grindr-killer-how-i-discovered-a-serial-murderer


The incompetence of the police in that case is almost literally unbelievable . It sounded bad at the time i first read reports but i assumed they at least got the guy in the end , but as that programme shows , the case was basically solved by the sisters of the last victim , 2 girls in their twenties . One body found outside the guy's flat , 2 more practically around the corner ( both found on different days by the same lady walking her dog! ) . The ineptitude was so staggering that i anyone made a movie of the story the director would have his work caught out to prevent it being a comedy.

The poor standards of police detectives is the result of their only recruiting from uniformed police.

Police Constable/Detective require totally different skillsets.

It would be like someone who wanted to be a pilot for an airline only being considered if they'd worked 10 years as a steward.

99.9% of crime is solved by word of mouth. Whether it's grass's or the villains bragging. Whatever the stats - plod say..

No doubt they have got far more information than has been released publicly Zen Master.

I struggle though to understand how you can on one hand believe the police to have been grossly incompetent throughout the case but now have unrelenting faith in them to now know for certain what has happened and that his body will be found in the landfill site without actually knowing what information it is that is leading them to form that view.

You seem to be placing a lot of faith in the words of police officers (or the family who are no doubt receiving their info. from the police) who you have previously described as having acted with the utmost incompetence throughout the case.

It's not just the police now is it Shrewd?
Corrie's mother and uncle have been working a parallel line for a while now and of course she has been open to other possibilities of where Corrie ended up. That has all ceased now.

I doubt mother and uncle (ex military investigative) are simply taking what the police have presented them without thoroughly weighing up the data themselves.

incident in my area last week woman and her child dragged into a car in broad daylight driven away raped by both men whilst kid was present then dropped on an estate neasr by 6 hrs later,police hitting the tv stations be careful on the streets ,dont go out alone blah,blah,
every man and his dog new there was to this than met the eye and it was 99.9% certain they all new each other,after 3 days of panic on the street police say they are no longer looking for 2 men,case has taken a different route and all the people were known to each other,3 days of panic,worry for zilch

Mar 12, 2017 -- 6:02AM, 1st time poster wrote:

incident in my area last week woman and her child dragged into a car in broad daylight driven away raped by both men whilst kid was present then dropped on an estate neasr by 6 hrs later,police hitting the tv stations be careful on the streets ,dont go out alone blah,blah,every man and his dog new there was to this than met the eye and it was 99.9% certain they all new each other,after 3 days of panic on the street police say they are no longer looking for 2 men,case has taken a different route and all the people were known to each other,3 days of panic,worry for zilch

aye, said that to me mrs at the time, if she screamed so much when abducted at redcar seafront how come no-one heard it ? no =one came forward. thought it was bollox when first reported.

No news?

What our heroes have to put up with to save us from crime and criminals ; scrambling over rubbish tips , searching for a corpse in the undergrowth , crawling on their bellies through sewage pipes and the worst indignity , having to go walkies with a **** in a blue uniform.

Dealing with the scum of society on a daily basis ! Would you want such a job ?

Anything turned up yet?

IMHO nobody, no matter how bladdered they are, would resort to sleeping in a large rubbish bin - the smell alone would put anyone off.

My money is on him being killed, then dumped in the bin.

I hope they find him for his families sake, but don't think they will

Very strange imo that the cadaver dogs haven't been brought in (yet?), not sure I buy the "too many odours" reason why they haven't been, well not after watching that youtube footage of the dogs in the US bypassing the stinking animal meat to find a body 10 feet down!

Prob because they are looking for the phone and other things and want to do a methodical search

So many things dont add up with this one but landfill search is not over so folly to comment before it has  officially ended .

Dont forget they are under no obligation to announce anything until they are satisfied as to whats occured

Police searching for missing airman Corrie McKeague have finished looking through a landfill site, where it was thought his body may have been carried, sifting through nearly 3,000 tonnes of waste.

Corrie was last seen in Bury St Edmunds in the early hours of September 24, and police have been hunting for him since, at a cost of more than £1million.

Now investigators say they will extend the areas of their search.

- Daily Mail today.

A delivery driver claims to have seen him an hour after the last confirmed sighting. Apparently he reported it to the police at the time but appears they weren't convinced.

The driver (if it's him) and his wife, have posted comments at the bottom of this report.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4549358/Delivery-
man-spotted-missing-Corrie-McKeague.html

So a heavy bin can simply mean it's got a lot of rubbish in it.

Every day is a school day for some on here.

Became rather comical there  , daily mail commenters suggesting the delivery driver was doing some dogging and his Mrs registering to protest

He is a Newmarket man and has posted about this on some other local sites. 

I believe he suggests he couldn't remember the exact date or time but was adamant about the clothing.  He also says it was very cold and whilst I appreciate it would be cold at around 5.00 am, it was actually unseasonably warm that weekend in September last year.

There were other sightings reported around the area which turned out to be negative.

I imagine the police would have looked into the sighting and decided it didn't fit in with the timelines they had.  They wouldn't necessarily have gone back to Mr Hawes unless they wanted further information/clarification.

Eye witness statements are notoriously unreliable.  There are also many people who want to be "involved" / want to help.

I remember when Holly and Jessica were "missing" a Newmarket taxi driver reported he had seen them in the back of a car, struggling and distressed.  He couldn't possibly have seen them.

Yes i recall that Squares .

There was also a lady who said she had seen them walking down a country lane the following day , again impossible.

With these high profile cases some people have an overpowering urge to be involved by possessing some crucial info .

The worst example i saw , though can't recall the precise case ,was when there was a Crimewatch reconstruction of a murder , and a woman responded to the appeal by saying she'd seen the victim in a certain place at a certain time. The police thought her quite credible . Later though when they caught the guy who'd done it , it turned out , if she was truthful , that the guy had a cast iron alibi .

She ended up being called as a defence witness . She broke down in the dock and admitted she'd made the whole thing up .

So the police may well be right in not taking Hawes seriously .Though i'm not too confident they are doing a good job with this.

The police said the timings for when he claimed to see him failed to tally with where his mobile said he was at that time.  Seems to presume that the two items were still co-located.  Maybe the evidence (or lack thereof) is starting to suggest that is an incorrect assumption to make?

eye witness accounts are  unreliably even from people who do witness things ,people that are present can give vastly differing accounts of what they thought they seen.

often these can be explained ,colours of cars and cloths in general under varying light conditions ,street lighting can produce strange effects of colour perception on diff people for example .Likewise people travelling in a car getting a momentary glimpse can also be unreliable.

What did come out was that others were dressed in similar fashion that night and  it seems there was even someone dressed similar ,of similar height and build and hair colour that was out in the pubs and clubs that night

Squares suggests that night was "unseasonable warm"  ,but these things are easily verified and one thing i know about that weekend is that it was the autumnal equinox and cant rem such a marked change from summer to autumn in one weekend here in Scotland .
If you care to check the historical temp data for the location in question Squares ,you will see that the 23rd had a dip in the early hours ,down to 7c  from a daytime high of 21c ,the 24th was similar with a marked change after midnight down to just below 10c ,thats still cool ,about 2am the temp had dropped and a cool breeze came on by 3am ,this was noted by several people that were out that night and added to the theory that CM could have been seeking shelter from the cold ,in fact many people thought he was jogging to get warm on his way to the bin area but this was initially denied .Turned out he was running/jig jogging.
It was not unseasonably warm,it was unseasonably cool ,and in the breeze (wind chill) prob felt cold ,at least two people that were out at the exact time he was last seen also said a cold breeze had got up ,also if you look at that last vid you can see the corner of his shirt blowing up just before he enters bin area.

As mentioned others said it was a warm night and they were not far from the location  ,but these people were indoors ,some  buildings hold heat and keep it well into the night ,they were mistaken .

This was from the Mirror report on it:

A force spokesman said: “Police have the report, the time given was prior to Corrie’s phone leaving Bury St Edmunds. There was nothing to link this to Corrie.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/delivery-man-saw-missing-corrie-10511835

Which seems rather dismissive, and isn't the same as saying: we investigated this thoroughly and viewed all CCTV images from the ESSO station and surrounding area... I mean, what if Hawes was wrong about the time but right about seeing him?

Police press conference at 3 o clock with an update.

Search called off at the tip, nothing found.

Det Supt Elliott said police had spoken to one witness who had previously found Mr Mckeague asleep in a bin and he had been known to previously sleep on park benches, in toilets and stair wells.



What would possess anyone to do this ? He wasn't homeless !

certainly all very strange.

Anyone else get the impression that the female detective in charge of the case, has carried out the investigation with an inordinate level of reluctance? I get the impression that she would have shut the case down within a couple of days, if she could have got away with it. I've rarely seen so much "get me out of here!" body language from an officer supposed to be attempting to solve a case.

An airman who disappeared 10 months ago was "known to sleep in rubbish on a night out", police have said.
Corrie Mckeague, 23, has not been seen since a night out in Bury St Edmunds last September, when CCTV showed him entering a bin loading bay.

Suffolk Police has confirmed its search of waste at Milton landfill was at an end.

Mr Mckeague's family say they are "devastated" at the news and disputed claims he would have slept in a bin.

Police said all the information "points to the fact Corrie was transported to the landfill".
Det Supt Katie Elliott said the landfill search for Mr Mckeague had been "systematic, comprehensive and thorough".
She said: "Corrie had been known to go to sleep in rubbish on a night out. There is no evidence to support any other explanation at this time."

Responding to the news, Corrie's father Martin Mckeague posted a statement on his Facebook page saying: "The McKeague family in Scotland is devastated by today's announcement.

"At no point did we think that the search of the site would end this way, and as all the evidence tells us that Corrie is somewhere in that landfill site, we are heartbroken at the thought that we may not be able to bring Corrie home together."

His mother Nicola Urquhart said: "I have tried really to put my trust in them (the police) but to say I am devastated that they are now saying they think he is still in there but they are going to stop searching, I cannot begin to explain how that makes me feel."

She said she did not believe there was "evidence" he slept in bins.

Police say they will now search previously incinerated waste and carry out a review of the investigation for any fresh leads in the case

DRINK facts ,people out of their heads on drink will sleep anywhere,I have know several people who go out like a light when they hit a certain level

You are right Benny . I fell over in the snow and made myself a pillow of the stuff . Thankfully I was found on the pub steps at closing time . By all accounts I raised merry hell when I was woken up.

I find it hard to believe a lad who obviously cared a lot about his appearance would sleep in a bin - regardless of how paralytic he was. He would have just slept in his car instead.  Or maybe gone on an internet hook-up.  Regardless, if it was simple "asleep-in-bin" tragic accident like the police suggest they would have surely found his remains and / or his phone at that waste site but apparently neither are there

I find it hard to think anyone would sleep in a bin, the smell even when drunk would be unbearable

Seems the Plod are clueless and have made a complete mess of this investigation...

Jul 22, 2017 -- 4:58AM, scandanavian_haven wrote:

I find it hard to think anyone would sleep in a bin, the smell even when drunk would be unbearable

might have been a recycling bin full of old cardboard boxes, that would make sense.

Dunlaying has explained it , There are certain People who when they drink get to a point and the wheels fall off Wild horses wouldn't wake them, they will sleep anywhere his friends have said he was known to crash out on the street and make his way home in the Morning ..  Pain spot on Also

Bin vs Car
One is secure, clean, comfortable-ish, convenient, easy to get in.
The other is a bin

Pished Drunk in Car   = NICKED

car - intoxicated = dd ban = lose of career

No chance if you were not in the drivers seat

only need to be in it and keys

Practically highly unlikely you'd even be noticed, let alone not just given a verbal warning, let alone a conviction ... but not worth arguing about. Point remains - they were pretty certain they'd find him at the site, they've finished searching the site and he's not there

Doesn't mean hes not there, means they havn't found him.

Doesn't mean hes not there, means they havn't found him.

Still think it's the most plausible scenario with the evdience available and that's where he is.

Me too, dont fancy it ever being solved now.

if they thought he was in the sea, would they keep looking for him?

No

Seams to be a few Misplaced Skulls Knocking around these tips .

Heard on the news tonight that they aint allowing any more tipping at the site for the time being.
Must have had a change of heart and are going to do a more thorough search.

Surely they can't stop looking for Corrie while they are still looking for the McCann girl?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41490459

Police investigating the disappearance of missing airman Corrie Mckeague are to resume search of landfill site near Cambridge.
The 23-year-old has not been seen since he went on a night out in Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, in September 2016, when CCTV showed him entering a bin loading bay.

bin lorry driver

nap 1.01

Hahaha Benny you have been there too old friend!

"and police have been hunting for him since, at a cost of more than £1million".

Have to ask why, in these situations, they feel the need to put a price on it!

Firstly, those involved must be on incredible wages, but surely they are being paid, whether on this case, or otherwise something else!

^ lots of overtime at a higher rate methinks as they do not have the manpower hence the reliance on offices working additional hours.

Yes, a good point!

Surely they could get Wayne Rooney and his community service mates to shift some bin bags.

Should there not be a limit on how much is spent.They  are not even sure a crime has been committed Some reports say he had a habit of sleeping in bins.

Of course there will be budget restraints,as in most workplaces.

More twists and turns with it now revealed Corrie probably was aware of his girlfriend's pregnancy, fears that he might have taken his own life, the possibility the police could have looked in the wrong places at the landfill site, and questions still unanswered regarding the £53K that was raised through JustGiving.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sex-apps-missing-53k-pregnancy-12256407

Oh, and it would appear the case has been shelved.

Obviously  Russians or muslims...

Muslims were initially in the frame after a so called attempted abduction but strangely that line failed to produce anything ,as did the illegal immigrant kebab shop employee convicted of a sex attack and ordered to be deported that sold the missing man his last supper . But that's bye the bye ,tbh thort CCDA would have been all over it ,MSM never touched it .

What's even more surprising, is that the MSM ( Tory controlled ), haven't implicated Jeremy Cornyn.
May will be furious that she missed this opportunity to once more detract joe public away from the utter mess this country is in.

Corrie Mckeague: Evidence 'manipulated', mother claims

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-43553706

Have they not considered a homosexual serial killer (I'm not doing the joke)
Remember Denis Nilson I watched a documentary about him a few months ago and I thought Corrie was into turd-burgling as he had a Grindr account could be a legitimate line of enquiry.

His mum (allegedly) deleted all of the dating app accounts before all potential "leads" could be investigated....

Smart women. Those monthly subscriptions can add up if not cancelled.

So I heard...

So the Mirror claims in George B's post above anyway.

This weeks report seems pretty final

Missing airman Corrie Mckeague is "somewhere in the Suffolk waste disposal system", his father has said. Corrie Mckeague was 23 years old when he vanished on a night out in Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, on 24 September 2016.

Writing on Facebook, Martin Mckeague said: "Corrie is no longer missing... after looking at all of the facts and evidence we now know what happened." Police believe the airman climbed into a waste bin and was taken away by a refuse lorry.

Mr Mckeague said his son was "known to sleep in and on top of bins, a fact that has been corroborated by Suffolk Police from their interviews". He also said that on the night Corrie went missing, one bin had a recorded weight of 116kg - "an unusually high number for this bin, which tells us my son was inside".

He acknowledged that Corrie's remains were "essentially irretrievable". He said he had been presented with evidence that was "as thorough as it was compelling" and experts had "concluded beyond any doubt that Corrie had ended up in the Suffolk waste disposal system".

Mr Mckeague said the remaining areas were either "too toxic to search" or "so vast it could take years to do so".

He added: "We thought there might be a small glimmer of hope for the Mckeague family that a card reader could be used to identify the whereabouts of Corrie's bank card in the landfill site. "I myself searched the internet to see if that technology could help but found nothing to support that theory. "It was also the view of the National Crime Agency and Suffolk Police... there is no technology currently available that can, in these case circumstances, undertake such a task."

Utter garbage

Are you being witty , or do you genuinely disagree ?

I suspect its neither

Very sad

To be frank the amount of money spent on this investigation is ridiculous.Anyone who habitually sleeps in/on garbage bins is bound to be a complete waste of space.