I don't think brexit is or was all about racism. I do think though that a tactic brought up time and again during the xampaign (and before, such as Cameron's "swarm") led some people to believe that other races were inferior, shouldn't be here etc. And for those and others with long held but concealed racist views, the result was seen as a legitimisation if those opinions and emboldened them to proclaim them and to abuse those people they think are inferior or are damaging their own well-being.

Has there been a put up job by those trying to derail brexit. Very possibly though I've seen no evidence of it to be fair. I wouldn't put it past some though.

That said, it's pretty clear that a rather nasty and unwelcome by-product of the referendum has been an actual rise in racial hatred.

I don't think I do. You seem awfully defensive on this. I call it hatred, you call it what you like. We both know what I mean.

I'd love to know what the "normal" standards of racism are. We know there can be a wide range from bravado on an anonymous forum to, well, murder I suppose.

If you seriously don't think tgeres been a rise in racist abuse to foreigners in the aftermath of the referendum then you must be in some deluded state of denial. It may not be outright KKK on every street corner but it was very much there. Maybe it needed a couple of pints or the comfort of like minded friends but o it was there. Hopefully the majority have reflected and realised that what they said or did was poor and wouldn't behave the same again.

do you really want england to be swamped with foreigners?

Where is PP's runaway train heading? he's in some dream world that everyone will live
peacefully together....that's obviously never going to happen...it's not being racist
it's being sensible as was Hungary's referendum today, nip it in the bud early.

I am converting, unlike the rest of you backward nazis.  I can get 5 wives and am guaranteed a place in 'heaven'  - I know they told me

ALLI BA BA!!!   
I will be fkn all night every night hahahhahahah

That said, it's pretty clear that a rather nasty and unwelcome by-product of the referendum has been an actual rise in racial hatred.

Again disagree that there is any evidence of this other than newspaper articles choosing particluar stories linking it to Brexit or reporting racial incidents reported as evidence of a rise in racial crime without looking at any other factors or people with anecdotal evidence on how they have been treated since.

It seems to be the following
Any racial crime prior to Brexit = carried out by ignorant racist scum.
Racial crime in the build up to Brexit and since= a result of people becoming emboldened to act in a racist manner as a result of Brexit.

Has there been a put up job by those trying to derail brexit. Very possibly though I've seen no evidence of it to be fair. I wouldn't put it past some though.

Compare and contrast the following articles


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/28/hate-crime-horrible-spike-brexit-vote-metropolitan-police

and

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/13/reported-hate-crimes-rise-by-almost-a-fifth

where we have quotes such as

“The increase in recorded hate crime shows that more victims have the confidence to come forward and that the police are improving the way they identify and record hate crimes. We welcome this.”
Together with a greater awareness of hate crime, and improved willingness of victims to come forward, this is likely to be a factor in the increase in hate crimes recorded by the police in 2014-15 compared with the previous year.”

Mobo/Ron - my wife's one of those no-gooders. She's foreign, different,  maybe a bit scary for you. My kids are half-no-gooders and can be quite scary too. My wife's someone  who's been here 16 years. She came here, worked in menial jobs (waitressing etc), got a degree, qualified as an accountant and now wants to be a teacher. She's someone who makes friends easily, can chat with anyone. She's been proud to bring her parents here, to show them how well she's done, to take them to Chester, to the Lake Ditrict, to Hebden Bridge, to her home. During that time she's suffered no -zero -racist abuse. Until this summer. Then it changed. And it changed for her friends too. And her brother, and his teenage daughter.

So laugh away. Quibble about whether it's racial hatred or something "normal". If it helps you pretend this isn't real or happening then good for you.

It's to be welcomed that victims are reporting crimes surely. Your post stated there was an increase in 2014 because of this. Maybe so. I haven't studied.

My post was about this summer. Again, keep your head in the sand until you have triple verification and signed confessions to the abuse which may come way, way down the road after the CPS gave investigated them all. Enjoy it down there.

I'm specifically talking about muslims btw - not eastern europeans

Now I'm just a wet eyed victim unable to see the big picture. Sand in your straw?

Listen, just ignore the met. It's ok. Ignore what you don't want to see. Go on, you'll sleep better.

PorcupineorPineapple, you are wasting your time with some of the people on this thread. They will continue to bury their heads in the sand. Of course there has been an increase in hate crime this summer. It started in the lead up to the referendum the atmosphere was toxic and after the vote when quite clearly many racists thought they had been given a mandate to abuse foreigners.

Think for yourself...followed by yet another link

Erm.. the link attached doesn't represent my point of view or in anyway form  my view. It has been used to present a similar position to the links you have posted whilst questioning whether you would think for yourself when reading the article as it doesn't fit with your mindset. I trust this  clarifies your confusion but I am beginning to think that you are just evading  questions which may result in you having to deviate from the position you have adopted from the media headlines you have read.

PP must have had a bad day

Ron you're doing it wrong. Provide some anecdotal evidence how you're bird or your mates have seen this happen since the EU and PP I'm sure will take anything said at face value.

Ron - who I married doesn't inform my decisions. You're a racist because you're ignorant. Completely and totally ignorant. I'm surprised you're arguing the toss to be honest, I figured you'd be quite happy with the badge.

As for me, I could have married someone from New Zealand, Iraq, Paris or Manchester; I'd still recognise you as a racist sh!t for brains.

`racists` are in danger of turning out to be the nice people.

53% of muslim men in the UK do not work. closer to 80% in Germany. 24% of muslim women work
also found to have the highest disability rates. and the most likely group to not be available for work.
they are meant to pray 5 times a day?
not sure what percentage want sharia law but the point is it is a siginificant number and it only takes a minority to try and impose a repressive and dangerous regime.

the figures are from migration watch. It was reported in the Mail, the Guardian didn`t report it.

I'm intolerant to d!ckheads of all skin colours, religions, faiths and football supporters if that helps. If people post clearly racist stuff, then I'm going to call them out on it. Simple as that really.