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Misses 3 drug tests and still goes to Rio
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totally agree...if she was Russian the media would be up in arms.............but surely shes not a cheat............shes british
She's a damn stupid and lucky Brit.
However, go beyond the headline and realise the extent to which the testing system as executed by the British authorities, is the most stringent in the world.
If any Brit is caught using performance enhancing drugs, then they are stupid and really should have nowhere to hide. Conversely, any Brit winning a medal should not be regarded as a cheat and part of the 'they're all at it' smear / pose adopted by many cynics.
The other point to note is that it is gambling, not drug taking, that is the major worry of the IOC, with markets now on every Olympic sport.
However, go beyond the headline and realise the extent to which the testing system as executed by the British authorities, is the most stringent in the world.
If any Brit is caught using performance enhancing drugs, then they are stupid and really should have nowhere to hide. Conversely, any Brit winning a medal should not be regarded as a cheat and part of the 'they're all at it' smear / pose adopted by many cynics.
The other point to note is that it is gambling, not drug taking, that is the major worry of the IOC, with markets now on every Olympic sport.
I'd like to see details of any testimony given to CAS.
While it's absolutely right that they should throw the book (and anything else they can find) at dope cheats, the testers must also realise that they must follow procedures to the letter - they are responsible for potentially wrecking an athletes career or reputation.
While it's absolutely right that they should throw the book (and anything else they can find) at dope cheats, the testers must also realise that they must follow procedures to the letter - they are responsible for potentially wrecking an athletes career or reputation.
A statement on Armitstead's behalf said she was charged by UK Anti-Doping (Ukad) on 11 July with three so-called 'whereabouts' failures, leading to a suspension pending disciplinary action.
The first came at a World Cup event in Sweden on 20 August, 2015.
The second was an administrative failure on 5 October
And the third was a missed test on 9 June this year following "an emergency change of plans due to a serious illness within her family".
Armitstead did not dispute the second two faults, but successfully appealed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas) over the first missed test, which happened at a team hotel in Sweden.
Armitstead undertook in-competition testing the following day, as leader of the UCI Women Road World Cup.
"Cas ruled the Ukad doping control officer had not followed required procedures nor made reasonable attempts to locate Armitstead," the statement added.
"Cas also ruled that there was no negligence on Armitstead's part and that she had followed procedures according to the guidelines."
The first came at a World Cup event in Sweden on 20 August, 2015.
The second was an administrative failure on 5 October
And the third was a missed test on 9 June this year following "an emergency change of plans due to a serious illness within her family".
Armitstead did not dispute the second two faults, but successfully appealed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas) over the first missed test, which happened at a team hotel in Sweden.
Armitstead undertook in-competition testing the following day, as leader of the UCI Women Road World Cup.
"Cas ruled the Ukad doping control officer had not followed required procedures nor made reasonable attempts to locate Armitstead," the statement added.
"Cas also ruled that there was no negligence on Armitstead's part and that she had followed procedures according to the guidelines."
Jed - that was what I read as well. What interests me is what was UKAD's defence of what their official did, or didn't do. I think that should be made public.
Do we think that she has accepted the first one thinking it didn't really matter as she was clean and always complied with the regulations, but had to revisit it when she then missed the other two - which do seem genuinely fair reasons but are obviously classed as missed tests by UKAD anyway?
I've got such maxed-out ennui with the whole who's cheating and who isn't thing I don't even think I care any more.
I've got such maxed-out ennui with the whole who's cheating and who isn't thing I don't even think I care any more.
UKAD
“Ms Armitstead chose not to challenge the first and second whereabouts failures at the time they were asserted against her. At the CAS hearing, Ms Armitstead raised a defence in relation to the first whereabouts failure, which was accepted by the panel. We are awaiting the reasoned decision from the CAS panel as to why the first whereabouts failure was not upheld.”
“Ms Armitstead chose not to challenge the first and second whereabouts failures at the time they were asserted against her. At the CAS hearing, Ms Armitstead raised a defence in relation to the first whereabouts failure, which was accepted by the panel. We are awaiting the reasoned decision from the CAS panel as to why the first whereabouts failure was not upheld.”
If someone chopped your head off for missing 3 tests in a year no one would fail to comply.
She's a drugs cheat (or similar) as far as I'm concerned.
She's a drugs cheat (or similar) as far as I'm concerned.
seemed a lot more song and dance when ohoruogu committed the same violation. plenty of hacks were more or less implying she was a doper
Will be interesting to see what the excuse used is. She's very lucky IMO.
It would be interesting to see how many top sports stars have missed 1 or 2 tests in the last 12 months.
It would be interesting to see how many top sports stars have missed 1 or 2 tests in the last 12 months.
you'd have to think missing just 1 test would make you incredibly careful to ensure you didn't miss another one let alone get anywhere near missing 3
think oscar wilde summed it up best
think oscar wilde summed it up best
I'd let her away with a lot more than any alleged PED use.
Nicola Cooke 1 missed test in 14years
Plenty of big names on twitter ripping into her today
CHEATS OUT
Plenty of big names on twitter ripping into her today
CHEATS OUT
the olympics are a joke. the brits are just as bad as the americans, chinese and russians.
the worst part for the brits is they have the personalities of turnips. at least Lance Armstrong was interesting and was a character.....who do the brits have?
greg rutherford jumping into a pit of sand
the worst part for the brits is they have the personalities of turnips. at least Lance Armstrong was interesting and was a character.....who do the brits have?
greg rutherford jumping into a pit of sand
With respect racingqueen, the brits are NOT just as bad as the americans, Chinese and Russians
If anything, the Armistead case shows just the level of stringency our athletes are subject to when it comes to drugs testing.
If anything, the Armistead case shows just the level of stringency our athletes are subject to when it comes to drugs testing.
no it doesnt. They are every bit as bad as the russians, chinese and americans.
Britain got 29 golds to Russias 24 in London......laughable to think a superpower who actively helped their athletes to dope or avoid detection got less than auld Britannia who were pumped full of water and hard work
Britain got 29 golds to Russias 24 in London......laughable to think a superpower who actively helped their athletes to dope or avoid detection got less than auld Britannia who were pumped full of water and hard work
Do some research before making glib, but ultimately unsubstantiatable claims
you keep believin rog....all those ruskies pumped up on epo for no reason, sure all they needed was a bit of the british bulldog spirit
No need to believe - seen with my own eyes the testing procedures our athletes go through.
Of course, that's not as cool as making thoroughly over-reaching statements based on heresay, innuendo and extrapolation of random statistics, is it?
Of course, that's not as cool as making thoroughly over-reaching statements based on heresay, innuendo and extrapolation of random statistics, is it?
If anything this case shows just how inefficient and ineffective drug testing is
UKAD apparently managed to botch the testing visit in question by not following protocol. Unlikely that this was an isolated case. I wonder how many other missed tests with similar circumstances are now going to be expunged
However the standout point that has become clear is that what used to be 3 strikes in 18 months and you're out is now 3 strikes in 12 months and you're out (changed last year). So you can now have 2 missed tests a year without getting a sanction. This despite the fact that the whereabouts system has never been easier to use (e.g. mobile apps where you can change your whereabouts an hour before the slot). The system has never been more open to being gamed. Rule #1 in Doping for Dummies - don't answer the door or phone if you are at risk of testing +ve. Nicole Cooke said in her blog that she took her concerns about how ludicrously conservative the system is now to UKAD but was ignored. Simple(ish) probability tells you how unlikely it is to catch dopers under the current system
UKAD apparently managed to botch the testing visit in question by not following protocol. Unlikely that this was an isolated case. I wonder how many other missed tests with similar circumstances are now going to be expunged
However the standout point that has become clear is that what used to be 3 strikes in 18 months and you're out is now 3 strikes in 12 months and you're out (changed last year). So you can now have 2 missed tests a year without getting a sanction. This despite the fact that the whereabouts system has never been easier to use (e.g. mobile apps where you can change your whereabouts an hour before the slot). The system has never been more open to being gamed. Rule #1 in Doping for Dummies - don't answer the door or phone if you are at risk of testing +ve. Nicole Cooke said in her blog that she took her concerns about how ludicrously conservative the system is now to UKAD but was ignored. Simple(ish) probability tells you how unlikely it is to catch dopers under the current system
hope those british athletes are not being tested for stiff upper lips or bulldog spirit, they might just test positive
And that would never do would it?
Not when you can pop a pill and win a gold medal, just like that.
Not when you can pop a pill and win a gold medal, just like that.
She's clean.
She just doesn't like being tested regularly that's all.
Plus she's British so she can not possibly be a cheat.
Furthermore, cycling has always being squeaky clean.
She just doesn't like being tested regularly that's all.
Plus she's British so she can not possibly be a cheat.
Furthermore, cycling has always being squeaky clean.
Weakens our stand against Russia...sorry missing 3 times is too many
Its all a sad indictment of professional sport - when I was a lot younger I loved the Olympics & watching the supposedly great athletes like Borzov et al winning their medals & yet the reality is it was all a facade with drugs & steroids being rife - I suppose the only consolation is that if they were all taking something it was at least a level playing field of sorts
Russia has been made a scapegoat. Professional sport is riddled with doping - and the governing bodies who ultimately control the testing have no appetite to catch cheats. There's too much money at stake. I would be surprised if many of the world'd sporting stars are not doping. But noone wants to catch them.
Gatlin gets banned twice - comes back and now he's faster "clean" than he was when doping. You could not make this up.
Gatlin gets banned twice - comes back and now he's faster "clean" than he was when doping. You could not make this up.
yes it's more comfortable to have faith in what your seeing. the world marvelled at the feats of Marion Jones and Lance Armstrong - confident that what they were seeing was clean. turned out they were 2 of the biggest cheats in history - but they weren't caught by the testers.
roger - u sound very naïve for someone who has family involved in Sports. Very few clean sports people these days. They all have their ways to get around it. I don't have an issue with people who do but all this "I'm clean crap" is bollox
Does anybody bother to read facts anymore these days? I think people just flick through the headlines and have their minds made up for them by some newspaper editor who wants to sell his sh1tty paper by upping the circulation with whatever sensationalist sh1te they can find to keep his.her job.
The "missed" test in question was at a hotel in Sweden at 6 a.m. in the morning when the testers arrived and the hotel night staff refused to wake call the room number to wake her up or tell the testers which room she was in.
Get a grip everyone who is likening it to the Russians who had a secret passage-way to switch dodgy urine samples for clean ones.
The "missed" test in question was at a hotel in Sweden at 6 a.m. in the morning when the testers arrived and the hotel night staff refused to wake call the room number to wake her up or tell the testers which room she was in.
Get a grip everyone who is likening it to the Russians who had a secret passage-way to switch dodgy urine samples for clean ones.
Kriskin
I simply don't parrot the hip/ cynic line that everyone is at it. Not having seen with my own eyes the lengths most athletes go to, understood a bit about the bio-chemistry involved and the culture in which the athletes are immersed.
It's very easy for the public to believe the worst of athletes. One high-profile, failed test 'proves they are all at it'. Dedication, effort, skill, compliance with stringent testing and generally taking your profession seriously, well, look at Racingqueens post of 11.27 yesterday to see how much contempt that is held in.
I simply don't parrot the hip/ cynic line that everyone is at it. Not having seen with my own eyes the lengths most athletes go to, understood a bit about the bio-chemistry involved and the culture in which the athletes are immersed.
It's very easy for the public to believe the worst of athletes. One high-profile, failed test 'proves they are all at it'. Dedication, effort, skill, compliance with stringent testing and generally taking your profession seriously, well, look at Racingqueens post of 11.27 yesterday to see how much contempt that is held in.
Clouseau do you realise they have someone detailed to them so they dont miss any tests? Plus, what about the other 2?
Your naivety is incredible
Your naivety is incredible
they don`t have someone detailed to them as in the case of the hotel in Sweden.
there is no comparison between the actions of a corrupt Russian and Chinese government and the very few individual British athletes.
there is no comparison between the actions of a corrupt Russian and Chinese government and the very few individual British athletes.
there will always be individuals tempted. the difference is in Russia, China, East Germany etc it was systematic
Zazu 04 Aug 16 08:30
Clouseau do you realise they have someone detailed to them so they dont miss any tests? Plus, what about the other 2?
Your naivety is incredible
erm... no they don't.
She rides for a small ladies cycling team.
She had someone appointed to her recently but how do you think that works in a practical sense? The tests are done at random.
Clouseau do you realise they have someone detailed to them so they dont miss any tests? Plus, what about the other 2?
Your naivety is incredible
erm... no they don't.
She rides for a small ladies cycling team.
She had someone appointed to her recently but how do you think that works in a practical sense? The tests are done at random.
when individuals fail then they should be banned, when the countries system sets in place a neans to cheat then the country should be banned
every Russian athlete knew of their countries corruption, they share the collective guilt.
‘Unfortunately, this system fell apart on June 9 when UK Anti-Doping tried to test me in my hour slot and I was not where I had stated I would be. Simon Thornton had left British Cycling three weeks (earlier) without anybody informing me.
‘If Simon was still in place the following oversight could have been prevented.’
Lizzie now trying to blame Simon Thornton for not holding her hand and wiping her ar5e. How she is allowed to board the plane is a disgrace.
She claims in her statement to have had bi weekly meetings with Thornton but then claims no one let her know he left 3 weeks ago
Put the spade down Lizzie
‘If Simon was still in place the following oversight could have been prevented.’
Lizzie now trying to blame Simon Thornton for not holding her hand and wiping her ar5e. How she is allowed to board the plane is a disgrace.
She claims in her statement to have had bi weekly meetings with Thornton but then claims no one let her know he left 3 weeks ago
Put the spade down Lizzie
"It's very easy for the public to believe the worst of athletes. One high-profile, failed test 'proves they are all at it'."
Roger while I appreciate that you have first hand experience of the procedures, the second sentence there is just insane. One high profile failed test??? Are you serious? It has been systemic in sport for decades and as Armstrong and the Conte lab showed passing tests means nothing.
It is a sad reality that there have been so many scandals, in so many sports, falied tests or not, over such a long period of time, that is reasonable to assume that PEDs are widespread and that simple logic will make many wonder how the clean cut heroes can beat juiced up monsters.
With each new scandal it's a further straw. Many people have watched in wonder and then been left feeling cheated too often. How many times before you just say 'fck this'?
Roger while I appreciate that you have first hand experience of the procedures, the second sentence there is just insane. One high profile failed test??? Are you serious? It has been systemic in sport for decades and as Armstrong and the Conte lab showed passing tests means nothing.
It is a sad reality that there have been so many scandals, in so many sports, falied tests or not, over such a long period of time, that is reasonable to assume that PEDs are widespread and that simple logic will make many wonder how the clean cut heroes can beat juiced up monsters.
With each new scandal it's a further straw. Many people have watched in wonder and then been left feeling cheated too often. How many times before you just say 'fck this'?
I should have expressed myself better and also not been dragged off topic......which was, when I replied initially yesterday (top of Page 1), that all Britsh athletes are 'at it' and one high-profile case (Armistead) is proof of this.
I don't believe this is the case - but as you say it would be foolish to adopt the 'King Canute' position regarding the weight of evidence re drugs cheating from Cycling in particular.
I don't believe this is the case - but as you say it would be foolish to adopt the 'King Canute' position regarding the weight of evidence re drugs cheating from Cycling in particular.
Fair enough, didn't realise you meant UK specifically with that sentence.
Personally as far as the Brits go it's just a case of things adding together - There have been high profile cases in athletics here, there is no global political will to 'go after' us the way there is with Russia, successful nations Kenya and Jamaica have had lax testing regimes to say the least, so how can ours beat them just through bulldog spirit? Surely some should be wanting a refund for their PEDs! It is also the case as with Chambers/Balco that individual athletes can be part of a globalised programme without any knowledge of anyone within the national governing bodies.
It's a real shame for clean athletes and it's sad that so many people are so sceptical and get far less enjoyment from these events as they used to. It's just sad all round.
Personally as far as the Brits go it's just a case of things adding together - There have been high profile cases in athletics here, there is no global political will to 'go after' us the way there is with Russia, successful nations Kenya and Jamaica have had lax testing regimes to say the least, so how can ours beat them just through bulldog spirit? Surely some should be wanting a refund for their PEDs! It is also the case as with Chambers/Balco that individual athletes can be part of a globalised programme without any knowledge of anyone within the national governing bodies.
It's a real shame for clean athletes and it's sad that so many people are so sceptical and get far less enjoyment from these events as they used to. It's just sad all round.
It is.
My only hope is that those cynically professing to know for certain that everyone is at it, will do the honourable thing and fk right off with ANY comments at all on the Olympics and give free rein to those of us that look forward to watching what we believe to be overwhelmingly 'clean' athletes compete, with some peace, quiet and enjoyment.
My only hope is that those cynically professing to know for certain that everyone is at it, will do the honourable thing and fk right off with ANY comments at all on the Olympics and give free rein to those of us that look forward to watching what we believe to be overwhelmingly 'clean' athletes compete, with some peace, quiet and enjoyment.
In his commentary Steve Cram showed huge cynicism towards Taoufik Makhloufi when he won the 1500m in London. Quite why such an attitude is acceptable toward Makhloufi but not for Brits only Crammie can explain.
I love watching the athletics as much as ever - but I don't kid myself that what I'm seeing is clean. Same goes for football, tennis, boxing...
I love watching the athletics as much as ever - but I don't kid myself that what I'm seeing is clean. Same goes for football, tennis, boxing...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2016/05/27/23-athletes-competing-at-rio-olympics-fail-london-2012-drugs-ret/
London 2012 had one of the highest number of failed tests in Olympic history according to the article above.
The fact 23 of these were only caught on the retest shows what a joke testing is.
London 2012 had one of the highest number of failed tests in Olympic history according to the article above.
The fact 23 of these were only caught on the retest shows what a joke testing is.
So what should we do ? Just ban all sports ? Can anyone name a major sport that is not affected by doping/cheating/corruption ? Shall we just give it all up, or continue to try to catch the cheats ?
Cynics would have nothing to do if you banned all sports.
There's plenty of substances that can be used in darts to get an edge...any kind of stimulant would be advantageous... Gary Anderson drinks enough caffeine that would see him banned under WADA regulations (it is a banned substance in high quantities).
Amphetamine would be the obvious one (Mighty Mike?) Cocaine too would help to an extend (Aidy Lewis).
Trust me, PED's are everywhere.
Amphetamine would be the obvious one (Mighty Mike?) Cocaine too would help to an extend (Aidy Lewis).
Trust me, PED's are everywhere.
Saw her interview on TV.
Thought it all a bit odd.
First test she made it sound like a tester went to her hotel in Switzerland and the staff said they couldn't give j out guest room numbers so the tester just went home. Would that really be the case?
Her 3rd test it sounded like she had pulled some bloke and was riding him rather than a bike so she wasn't where she said she would be. And didn't want to go into further details.
All very odd indeed.
Thought it all a bit odd.
First test she made it sound like a tester went to her hotel in Switzerland and the staff said they couldn't give j out guest room numbers so the tester just went home. Would that really be the case?
Her 3rd test it sounded like she had pulled some bloke and was riding him rather than a bike so she wasn't where she said she would be. And didn't want to go into further details.
All very odd indeed.
If you are a welder, I imagine you understand you have to wear a safety mask, every time you spark up.
If you are a pilot, you undertake the same checks every time you fly.
If you are a software engineer you check every line of code you write.
It's called taking your job seriously. If you don't then you can put other peoples lives at risk and you certainly put your own career, performance and ambitions at risk.
Same for an athlete and if a lifetime of other people thinking you are a cheat is what you have to deal with well boo-hoo! Don't be so damn stupid and cavalier with your profession - or go work in McDonalds
If you are a pilot, you undertake the same checks every time you fly.
If you are a software engineer you check every line of code you write.
It's called taking your job seriously. If you don't then you can put other peoples lives at risk and you certainly put your own career, performance and ambitions at risk.
Same for an athlete and if a lifetime of other people thinking you are a cheat is what you have to deal with well boo-hoo! Don't be so damn stupid and cavalier with your profession - or go work in McDonalds
Just been listening to some Thin Lizzie songs...
Do Anything You Want To, We Will Be Strong,Opium Trail, Don't Believe a Word, Cold Sweat, Waiting For An Alibi, Fighting My Way Back...
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Do Anything You Want To, We Will Be Strong,Opium Trail, Don't Believe a Word, Cold Sweat, Waiting For An Alibi, Fighting My Way Back...
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