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Misses 3 drug tests and still goes to Rio

Couldn't make it up Laugh

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By:
portmanpark
When: 02 Aug 16 10:37
totally agree...if she was Russian the media would be up in arms.............but surely shes not a cheat............shes british
By:
donny osmond
When: 02 Aug 16 11:04
ban all brits ....
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 02 Aug 16 11:17
She's a damn stupid and lucky Brit.

However, go beyond the headline and realise the extent to which the testing system as executed by the British authorities, is the most stringent in the world.

If any Brit is caught using performance enhancing drugs, then they are stupid and really should have nowhere to hide. Conversely, any Brit winning a medal should not be regarded as a cheat and part of the 'they're all at it' smear / pose adopted by many cynics.

The other point to note is that it is gambling, not drug taking, that is the major worry of the IOC, with markets now on every Olympic sport.
By:
Degs
When: 02 Aug 16 11:28
I'd like to see details of any testimony given to CAS.

While it's absolutely right that they should throw the book (and anything else they can find) at dope cheats, the testers must also realise that they must follow procedures to the letter - they are responsible for potentially wrecking an athletes career or reputation.
By:
jed.davison
When: 02 Aug 16 12:18
A statement on Armitstead's behalf said she was charged by UK Anti-Doping (Ukad) on 11 July with three so-called 'whereabouts' failures, leading to a suspension pending disciplinary action.

    The first came at a World Cup event in Sweden on 20 August, 2015.
    The second was an administrative failure on 5 October
    And the third was a missed test on 9 June this year following "an emergency change of plans due to a serious illness within her family".

Armitstead did not dispute the second two faults, but successfully appealed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas) over the first missed test, which happened at a team hotel in Sweden.

Armitstead undertook in-competition testing the following day, as leader of the UCI Women Road World Cup.

"Cas ruled the Ukad doping control officer had not followed required procedures nor made reasonable attempts to locate Armitstead," the statement added.

"Cas also ruled that there was no negligence on Armitstead's part and that she had followed procedures according to the guidelines."
By:
portmanpark
When: 02 Aug 16 12:23
if she wins a medal it will be tainted
By:
Degs
When: 02 Aug 16 12:29
Jed - that was what I read as well. What interests me is what was UKAD's defence of what their official did, or didn't do. I think that should be made public.
By:
jed.davison
When: 02 Aug 16 13:05
Do we think that she has accepted the first one thinking it didn't really matter as she was clean and always complied with the regulations, but had to revisit it when she then missed the other two - which do seem genuinely fair reasons but are obviously classed as missed tests by UKAD anyway?

I've got such maxed-out ennui with the whole who's cheating and who isn't thing I don't even think I care any more.
By:
Johnny_Mustang
When: 02 Aug 16 13:07
Nice use of ennui there Jed.
By:
GoBallistic
When: 02 Aug 16 13:16
UKAD

“Ms Armitstead chose not to challenge the first and second whereabouts failures at the time they were asserted against her. At the CAS hearing, Ms Armitstead raised a defence in relation to the first whereabouts failure, which was accepted by the panel. We are awaiting the reasoned decision from the CAS panel as to why the first whereabouts failure was not upheld.”
By:
jed.davison
When: 02 Aug 16 13:17
Always a pleasure JM.
By:
Zazu
When: 02 Aug 16 13:36
If someone chopped your head off for missing 3 tests in a year no one would fail to comply.

She's a drugs cheat (or similar) as far as I'm concerned.
By:
jed.davison
When: 02 Aug 16 13:43
I had a similar feeling about Ohuruogu tbh zazu.
By:
mafeking
When: 02 Aug 16 14:10
seemed a lot more song and dance when ohoruogu committed the same violation. plenty of hacks were more or less implying she was a doper
By:
A_T
When: 02 Aug 16 18:29
Will be interesting to see what the excuse used is. She's very lucky IMO.

It would be interesting to see how many top sports stars have missed 1 or 2 tests in the last 12 months.
By:
mafeking
When: 02 Aug 16 18:55
you'd have to think missing just 1 test would make you incredibly careful to ensure you didn't miss another one let alone get anywhere near missing 3

think oscar wilde summed it up best
By:
morpteh mackem
When: 02 Aug 16 19:42
i have nothing to declare but my genius ??
By:
john92
When: 02 Aug 16 20:39
I'd let her away with a lot more than any alleged PED use.
By:
Zazu
When: 03 Aug 16 02:34
Nicola Cooke 1 missed test in 14years

Plenty of big names on twitter ripping into her today Cool

CHEATS OUT
By:
Racingqueen
When: 03 Aug 16 10:11
the olympics are a joke. the brits are just as bad as the americans, chinese and russians.

the worst part for the brits is they have the personalities of turnips. at least Lance Armstrong was interesting and was a character.....who do the brits have?

greg rutherford jumping into a pit of sand Laugh
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 03 Aug 16 10:33
With respect racingqueen, the brits are NOT just as bad as the americans, Chinese and Russians

If anything, the Armistead case shows just the level of stringency our athletes are subject to when it comes to drugs testing.
By:
Racingqueen
When: 03 Aug 16 11:03
no it doesnt. They are every bit as bad as the russians, chinese and americans.

Britain got 29 golds to Russias 24 in London......laughable to think a superpower who actively helped their athletes to dope or avoid detection got less than auld Britannia who were pumped full of water and hard work Laugh
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 03 Aug 16 11:11
Do some research before making glib, but ultimately unsubstantiatable claims
By:
Racingqueen
When: 03 Aug 16 11:15
you keep believin rog....all those ruskies pumped up on epo for no reason, sure all they needed was a bit of the british bulldog spirit Laugh
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 03 Aug 16 11:19
No need to believe - seen with my own eyes the testing procedures our athletes go through.

Of course, that's not as cool as making thoroughly over-reaching statements based on heresay, innuendo and extrapolation of random statistics, is it?
By:
GoBallistic
When: 03 Aug 16 11:25
If anything this case shows just how inefficient and ineffective drug testing is

UKAD apparently managed to botch the testing visit in question by not following protocol.  Unlikely that this was an isolated case.  I wonder how many other missed tests with similar circumstances are now going to be expunged

However the standout point that has become clear is that what used to be 3 strikes in 18 months and you're out is now 3 strikes in 12 months and you're out (changed last year).  So you can now have 2 missed tests a year without getting a sanction. This despite the fact that the whereabouts system has never been easier to use (e.g. mobile apps where you can change your whereabouts an hour before the slot). The system has never been more open to being gamed. Rule #1 in Doping for Dummies - don't answer the door or phone if you are at risk of testing +ve.  Nicole Cooke said in her blog that she took her concerns about how ludicrously conservative the system is now to UKAD but was ignored.  Simple(ish) probability tells you how unlikely it is to catch dopers under the current system
By:
Racingqueen
When: 03 Aug 16 11:27
hope those british athletes are not being tested for stiff upper lips or bulldog spirit, they might just test positive Laugh
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 03 Aug 16 11:36
And that would never do would it?

Not when you can pop a pill and win a gold medal, just like that.
By:
Wesdag
When: 03 Aug 16 15:15
She's clean.

She just doesn't like being tested regularly that's all.

Plus she's British so she can not possibly be a cheat.

Furthermore, cycling has always being squeaky clean.

Laugh
By:
ebulGery
When: 03 Aug 16 15:35
Weakens our stand against Russia...sorry missing 3 times is too many
By:
geordie1956
When: 03 Aug 16 16:04
Its all a sad indictment of professional sport - when I was a lot younger I loved the Olympics & watching the supposedly great athletes like Borzov et al winning their medals & yet the reality is it was all a facade with drugs & steroids being rife - I suppose the only consolation is that if they were all taking something it was at least a level playing field of sortsSad
By:
A_T
When: 03 Aug 16 19:55
Russia has been made a scapegoat. Professional sport is riddled with doping -  and the governing bodies who ultimately control the testing have no appetite to catch cheats. There's too much money at stake. I would be surprised if many of the world'd sporting stars are not doping. But noone wants to catch them.

Gatlin gets banned twice - comes back and now he's faster "clean" than he was when doping. You could not make this up.
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 03 Aug 16 21:14
Course you can - you just did
By:
A_T
When: 03 Aug 16 21:52
yes it's more comfortable to have faith in what your seeing. the world marvelled at the feats of Marion Jones and Lance Armstrong - confident that what they were seeing was clean. turned out they were 2 of the biggest cheats in history -  but they weren't caught by the testers.
By:
Kriskin
When: 03 Aug 16 22:31
roger - u sound very naïve for someone who has family involved in Sports.  Very few clean sports people these days.  They all have their ways to get around it.  I don't have an issue with people who do but all this "I'm clean crap" is bollox
By:
Clouseau
When: 03 Aug 16 23:03
Does anybody bother to read facts anymore these days? I think people just flick through the headlines and have their minds made up for them by some newspaper editor who wants to sell his sh1tty paper by upping the circulation with whatever sensationalist sh1te they can find to keep his.her job.

The "missed" test in question was at a hotel in Sweden at 6 a.m. in the morning when the testers arrived and the hotel night staff refused to wake call the room number to wake her up or tell the testers which room she was in.

Get a grip everyone who is likening it to the Russians who had a secret passage-way to switch dodgy urine samples for clean ones.
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 04 Aug 16 08:21
Kriskin

I simply don't parrot the hip/ cynic line that everyone is at it. Not having seen with my own eyes the lengths most athletes go to, understood a bit about the bio-chemistry involved and the culture in which the athletes are immersed.

It's very easy for the public to believe the worst of athletes. One high-profile, failed test 'proves they are all at it'. Dedication, effort, skill, compliance with stringent testing and generally taking your profession seriously, well, look at Racingqueens post of 11.27 yesterday to see how much contempt that is held in.
By:
Zazu
When: 04 Aug 16 08:30
Clouseau  do you realise they have someone detailed to them so they dont miss any tests? Plus, what about the other 2?

Your naivety is incredible
By:
lfc1971
When: 04 Aug 16 08:34
they don`t have someone detailed to them as in the case of the hotel in Sweden.
there is no comparison between the actions of a corrupt Russian and Chinese government and the very few individual British athletes.
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