How sick to come onto a fred to try and score points, it doesnt matter what he is a member of, he is a terrorist you sad mother *******

Defending a terrorist is some kind of joke.

The BBC and ITV seemed to have no reservations about reporting the possibility that it might be some sort of Anders Brevik style right wing attack, PP, so your faith in those organisations' journalistic integrity is rather misplaced.  When a host of American news channels report an eyewitness account of the killer shouting allahu Akbar, I find it very worrying that British and European stations do not at least mention it.

Surely you are defending the loon when you dont have access to all of the facts, or do have double standards ?

ps I am sorry to say, but journalistic standards go out of the window these days as the news media have their own agendas.

Ib - what does that even mean? Do you know what defending even means? Go and look it up. Jesus. Hopeless.

I haven't heard his name mentioned yet on mainstream media, but the names of Ali and David have been put forward on this thread.  Is either of these correct do we know for certain yet?

sorry porki  I am not old enough to reply

off you scuttle, mobe

shame that your best is to make personal insults - you join a long queue of people that have done it

shame you're too scared to try and explain your post.

what on earth do you mean by scared ?  How would you know if I was scared. Is it just innuendo and personal insults you deal in or what?

but you are too young to come on here and say that poker!!!!  such a silly juvenile thing to say
I mean it was only a muslim witness that said that - how can you believe them (tongue in cheek)

Has it been confirmed/corroborated that he shouted that? That's the point. Supposed eye witness statements are notoriously unreliable. There is a high number made by people who weren't actually witnesses at all but want their 15 minutes, who will themselves make conclusions as to the attacker, want to mould the story or are just plain panicked when a microphone's shoved in their face.


So there is a witness statement that has (I believe) not been corroborated and the fact that (I believe, as I think he was born in Germany) at least one of his parents is Iranian and people are jumping to the conclusion that it was ISIS or similar and upset that the BBC wasn't reporting this. No, they wait. And, lo and behold it turns out (at least at this stage) that there was no link to them at all.


See the below (first thing that google hit)

The problem with eyewitnesses

The aftermath of the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes at Stockwell Tube station has shown that eyewitness testimony may not always be as reliable as it seems.

On the day Mr Menezes was killed, a picture was quickly painted by eyewitnesses of a suspect who had vaulted over a ticket barrier, ran away from police, and had worn a bulky jacket that could have concealed a device.

Why are men in different European countries shouting 'Allahu Akbar' just before maiming and massacring innocent bystanders and occupants of railway carriages? 

We've had four major, globally-reported, instances of this in Europe in just over a week.  The seafront at Nice, an Alpine village near Montpelier, on a Bavarian railway carriage, and now the beautiful city of Munich.

What's the connection for these atrocities?  It can't be a coincidence surely?  Three of the attackers even had the same first name (or variation thereof).

Has Europol joined the dots yet?

If his name is indeed Ali David Sonboly but the authorities released his name as just David S how can one not reasonably assume they are trying to downplay the Islam angle?


Maybe he just went by David and Ali was a birth name he never used in actual life.

Yes, I understand that, PP.  And it would all be very reasonable if it wasn't for that fact that they were quite content to indulge in continual conjecture about him being a right wing Anders Brevik II.  Don't you see the double standards there, sir?

I can see that poker, though I didn't hear that personally when watching the box. What was the link to him being right wing btw? What led them to believe that rather than ISIS or a lone nutjob, both of which must have been far more plausible.


There must have been something that would lead them to such an assumption.

It seems the tin hat brigade are back. If the angle isn't the one you're hoping for, just accuse "The Man" of fabricating it all to hide the truth.

Indeed, Alun.

Given recent events, is it unreasonable to want to know if this murderer was Muslim or not?  I, for one, am not afraid to be explicit about it.  The evil, backward ideology that is Islam is a cancer to wester civilisation.

PP.

What led them to that assumption was 1) He looked white.  2) It was the anniversary of Brevik.  And 3) They are in complete denial about the cancerous ideology of Islam.