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By:
kevdartsking
When: 23 Jul 16 00:40
It was a lone gunman with a split personality  that's why they said they are looking for 3 gunmen
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 23 Jul 16 00:41
Try and get in with a full foreskin..

or a stella four pack - be no room at the inn
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 23 Jul 16 00:52
These supposed specialist armed police from germany pictures.

did anyone else think they didn't look very professional? almost like they'd
volunteered to have a go! Crazy
By:
casemoney
When: 23 Jul 16 00:56
Laugh@ KEV

Tbh it dont matter who it was its just so sad that this type of Lunatic/s do not realise how precious Life is ..
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 23 Jul 16 00:59
if it is just a nut case it'll make a nice change from the normal culprits.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 23 Jul 16 01:00
as in fruit & nutcase
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 23 Jul 16 01:05
but remainiac's as we well know will get on their soapbox to try and couple this
with brexit somehow - this might be your chance, get typing you sad little group.

Crazy
By:
guinness2dear
When: 23 Jul 16 01:06
Now saying 10 dead..
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 23 Jul 16 01:07
every time i looked its crept up.

8,9,10

lies lies lies maybe
By:
xmoneyx
When: 23 Jul 16 01:08
I'm sure the girl 15 in red, that approaches McDonald's ,gunman opens fire ,she turns an runs is deadSad
By:
Pokermonster
When: 23 Jul 16 01:17
The different accounts being reported here and in America is bizarre.

I've just been chatting with my friend in Texas and, based on what he has seen on their news channels, he is convinced Islamic jihadists are to blame; several witnesses have been quoted as saying the gunmen indiscriminately shot folks whilst shouting "alluha Akbar" over and over again.  He also said that the rooftop man did not rant against Turks (as reported on Sky News) but said that he himself was a German-born Turk.  Three men of middle eastern appearance were shown being stripped and arrested in handcuffs.

Compare this to what I have been watching on Sky and BBC, where everything seems to point to some sort of right-wing extremist in an anti-muslim attack.  How can the same event be reported so differently?
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 23 Jul 16 01:17
CNN still saying muslim woman heard allah akbar
By:
xmoneyx
When: 23 Jul 16 01:19
big size me
By:
guinness2dear
When: 23 Jul 16 01:22
German-Algerian 18
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 23 Jul 16 01:22
CNN spoke to a muslim women that witnessed it? is this old what im watching?

says she heard him  shout allah akbar
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 23 Jul 16 01:25
not a French Tunisian this time then Crazy
By:
guinness2dear
When: 23 Jul 16 01:28
Well there should be no doubt why this happened then..
By:
casemoney
When: 23 Jul 16 01:31
CNN have probably filmed a woman leaving a local Mosque at midday today .
By:
xmoneyx
When: 23 Jul 16 01:31
he hates mcdonalds
By:
Des Pond
When: 23 Jul 16 01:32
18 yo German/Iranian? Looked older to me, but I guess you can't tell from shaky footage. Very sad to hear that young girl who turned and ran, may be dead (I hope not). Never seen so much misinformation persisting for so long after an incident, though! All this stuff about "3 attackers, still at large" etc Why was this erroneous account left unchallenged for so long?
By:
casemoney
When: 23 Jul 16 01:32
Just incase there was a suspect Incident
By:
Pokermonster
When: 23 Jul 16 01:37
What is the latest information?
By:
Kriskin
When: 23 Jul 16 01:38
So much for the so called connection to the Norway murders.  The shooter as Des says is Iranian background
By:
Pokermonster
When: 23 Jul 16 01:42
Any news on the arrests?  Three men were shown being stripped and led away in handcuffs.
By:
Des Pond
When: 23 Jul 16 01:47
Most questions being met with "We have no intelligence on that"
By:
kevdartsking
When: 23 Jul 16 01:55
And still no show from Angela merkal staggering will she to face the music in the morning
By:
ebulGery
When: 23 Jul 16 02:02
Perhaps they should consider closing all borders in the EU...might make Europe a safer place

Things appear to be getting out of control, do you want Muslim fanatics with guns going where they will??????????
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 23 Jul 16 08:21
"These supposed specialist armed police from germany pictures.

did anyone else think they didn't look very professional? almost like they'd
volunteered to have a go!"


I thought the same thing, Ron. Some were in shorts! It seemed very bizarre.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 23 Jul 16 08:45
what type of gun did he use?
By:
Davy
When: 23 Jul 16 09:28
The Guardian are finally reporting that the gunman allegedly shouted "allah Akbar" about 12 hours after CNN first reported it...

"CNN spoke to a woman, named only as a Loretta, who said she witnessed the shooting as she hid in a store next door to the McDonalds.

She said her eight-year-old son witnessed the shooter loading his weapon in the men’s toilets in McDonalds. She said:

I come out of the toilet and I hear like an alarm, boom, boom, boom. He’s killing the children. The children were sitting to eat. They can’t run.

She also said the man yelled: ‘Allahu Akbar’

She said she recognised this phrase as she herself is Muslim from Kosovo, according to CNN."
By:
TheBetterBettor
When: 23 Jul 16 09:29
Could you imagine if you found a super rare pokeman go in the middle of the madness.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 23 Jul 16 09:57
To the best of my knowledge, neither Sky News or the BBC has yet mentioned the alluha Akbar reports, despite it being all over American news channels.  One can only assume that they have been ordered not to mention it, which is a serious worry in itself.
By:
lfc1971
When: 23 Jul 16 10:02
History shows all great countries commit suicide, this is what Europe is doing.
By:
anxious
When: 23 Jul 16 10:26
i think a lot of these types of killings seem to follow a pattern , males 18-35 , personal difficulties , withdrawal from reality, anger then mixed sometimes with drink and drugs , guns and then killing sprees shows a disintegration of peoples lives and then some kind of barbaric deluded calling resulting in such despicable violence and murder.
By:
Davy
When: 23 Jul 16 10:28
Yeah, he does seem to have had serious issues...

"There are reports that the shooter may have set up a fake Facebook account under a female name through which he attempted to encourage people to come down to the OEZ McDonalds.

Under the female guise, it is claimed the gunman offered in a post to buy anyone who came down a free meal.

According to reports, the account was created a short time before the posts and was then disabled while the shooting was taking place on Friday.

The Guardian has not been able to independently verify these reports."


Here’s the full translated transcript:

Man on the balcony: “You ****g **** you.”

Alleged shooter: “Because of you I was bullied for seven years …”

Man: “You **** you. You’re a ****.”

Shooter: “… And now I have to buy a gun to shoot you.”

Man: “A gun? **** off your head isn’t on right.”

Shooter and man on balcony shouting at each other, inaudible

Man apparently to people filming: “He’s got a gun, here, the guy has one.”

Unknown speaker: “****/****g Turks!”

Man: “****/****g foreigners!”

Man to someone else: “He’s got a gun. He has loaded his gun. Get the cops here.”

Shooter: “I am German.”

Man: “You’re a **** is what you are.”

Shooter: “Stop filming.”

Man: “A **** is what you are, what the **** are you doing?”

Shooter: “Yeah what, I was born here.”

Man: “Yeah and what the **** you think you’re doing?”

Shooter: “I grew up here in the Hartz 4 (unemployment benefits in Germany) area.”

Man and shooter talk at same time, inaudible

Shooter: “I haven’t done anything here for [inaudible].

Just shut your ****g face man”

Man: “You **** you.”

Man away from shooter: “Hey, he’s on the upper floor here, [inaudible]”

Man goes into cover, shooter starts firing and man shouts something at him about “shooting here”

Shooter: “Yeah, that’s where you’re right. Yeah you’re right with that. Yeah you’re right.”
By:
alun2005
When: 23 Jul 16 10:29
The suspected killer named online by multiple media sources as ALI SONBOLY, 18.

He is further described as a GERMAN-IRANIAN, whatever that is (I've never heard of the German-Iranian team in any sport) and is said to be a Lone Wolf Gunman.

Quite a coincidence this. For the fourth time in just over a week, he is an example of an alleged "Lone Wolf" terrorist who shouts "Allahu Akbar" before going on to slaughter or maim his innocent victims, so maybe he was not alone in this world after all.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 23 Jul 16 11:24
Sorry to disappoint those desperate to link it to Isis and whatnot but police are saying no connections to them at his home. Perp had been having psychiatric treatment and had been researching shooting sprees.


Maybe one reason the BBC and ITV haven't jumped to conclusions before now is because they have a higher editorial standard and wait for facts (or at least a few confirmations of a report) before then reporting it.
By:
mobo
When: 23 Jul 16 11:25
German Iranian - the clue is in the name
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 23 Jul 16 11:27
So that's it. If he's Iranian he must be ISIS?


Jeez, are you old enough to be on here?
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 23 Jul 16 11:30
Isn't his name David by the way?



Maybe we should be looking at the historic Welsh ISIS links.
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