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22 Feb 16
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I Believe In Miracles on BT Sport. 1hr45mins of great archive footage and the story of Nottingham Forest's European Cup win as told by the old players reminiscing.
Got promoted in 3rd place from Division 2, then won Division 1 in their first season up to qualify for Europe.
Plenty of Cloughie magic and some great tales from the team. Great footage of Trevor Francis (before he moved to Forest) in his dinner jacket getting an award (PFA Player of the Year?) on stage from Clough, who told Francis off for standing with hands in pockets and wouldn't give him the trophy til he took them out!
Frank Clark getting a b*llocking from Clough for going for a run when they were supposed to be having a day off, another time when the only player allowed to do any exercise was Birtles and that was only because Clough had picked him as his squash partner!
A cracking story, loads of humour and great footage. Seek it out.
The days when a British team didn't just mean the location of the stadium - not a foreign mercenary in sight (unless you count Archie Gemmill). Clough walks past the Spurs fans first game of the season as champions and literally everyone applauds. Imagine the same scene today - lots of w@nker signs, swearing and aggression.
Feel good stuff. If you find it, you'll be pleased you did.
Got promoted in 3rd place from Division 2, then won Division 1 in their first season up to qualify for Europe.
Plenty of Cloughie magic and some great tales from the team. Great footage of Trevor Francis (before he moved to Forest) in his dinner jacket getting an award (PFA Player of the Year?) on stage from Clough, who told Francis off for standing with hands in pockets and wouldn't give him the trophy til he took them out!
Frank Clark getting a b*llocking from Clough for going for a run when they were supposed to be having a day off, another time when the only player allowed to do any exercise was Birtles and that was only because Clough had picked him as his squash partner!
A cracking story, loads of humour and great footage. Seek it out.
The days when a British team didn't just mean the location of the stadium - not a foreign mercenary in sight (unless you count Archie Gemmill). Clough walks past the Spurs fans first game of the season as champions and literally everyone applauds. Imagine the same scene today - lots of w@nker signs, swearing and aggression.
Feel good stuff. If you find it, you'll be pleased you did.
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Sounds good. Available on DVD for BT Sporters.
Where you from, you sexy thing?
Where you from, you sexy thing?
Thanks Roger for the heads up, I remember that Forest era very well, Brian Clough was an absolute legend and I use that word very sparingly in life.
Greatest ever English manager. What he done with small provincial clubs is absolutely outstanding. If the snobs at the F.A. had given him the job, England would have won another couple of World Cups.
You fellas will absolutely love this. I was only 2 at the time so missed it and am learning as I go (eg. they drew European Champions Liverpool in the first round of their winning European Cup campaign. Colin Barrett charged forward to score the second and recalled "I remember Tony Woodcock grabbing my arm to celebrate. I just told him to F off, I was off and gone").
Keep realising I am watching with a big grin on my face.
Keep realising I am watching with a big grin on my face.
The Damned United about Brian Clough's time at Leeds is well worth a watch.
Think it was the Charity Shield and Clough leading the team out makes them stop and so the other team have to stop too. Then you see him talk to the team, wondering what the hold up is, then they all turn round and wave to the Forest fans behind them!
League Cup 1979 he made Peter Taylor lead the team out because he said "I play squash and am quite fit but Peter Taylor doesn't do any exercise and is putting on weight so I told him the exercise would do him good"!
Won't say any more as I'm going to spoil some good bits for anyone who tracks this down, but it is cracking stuff.
League Cup 1979 he made Peter Taylor lead the team out because he said "I play squash and am quite fit but Peter Taylor doesn't do any exercise and is putting on weight so I told him the exercise would do him good"!
Won't say any more as I'm going to spoil some good bits for anyone who tracks this down, but it is cracking stuff.
Yes seen that, Michael Sheen - thought he was excellent.
He was brilliant, he also played David Frost in Frost/Nixon and was excellent in that as well, a very fine actor indeed.
He married Sarah Silverman, US comedian, funny bird and a bit of a looker.
Its on tomorrow on bt sports europe (10:30).....
anyone here got any decent streams for it.
anyone here got any decent streams for it.
Forest only got promoted from division 2 because Wolves beat Bolton on the last match. Wolves had already won the league & Bolton only needed a draw.
Clough was lucky Pellegrini wasn't managing Wolves so.........
Michael Sheene played Clough well. Very good actor. He was absolutely brilliant as Kenneth Williams in the BBC4 production Fantabulosa.
Cheers for this. Just finished watching it. Will have to make sure my best mate has seen it - as a Forest fan I'd hope so!
Greatest manager ever in my opinion, his methods were unique and the results speak for themselves.A number of betting men in the Forest squad, and the stories make modern football seem totally bland by comparison.
In 1979 I played in a cup final when I was 16 for a team my dad managed. The competition was for regional amateur clubs, and some of the reserve teams from a handful of professional clubs. We played Forest reserves in the final and we were surprised to see Brian turn up (he came on a pushbike as he was banned from driving at the time) for what was in fact a nothing match really for Forest. We ended up playing against Chris Woods, Colin Barrett, Gary Mills, Ian Bowyer, John O'Hare and Gary Birtles.......we lost 6-0 
ended up being very good friends with GB as he worked for my dad for a while.
Peter Taylor was a former manager of ours and Brian always said his favourite club was Burton Albion
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ended up being very good friends with GB as he worked for my dad for a while.Peter Taylor was a former manager of ours and Brian always said his favourite club was Burton Albion
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try and catch ' next goal wins' documentary about american samoan footbal team quest for respectability after being beaten 31 -0 by aussies. on sky at moment.
Thanks for this Roger. This was the last era of football that I felt ANY engagement with.
If I could select just ONE game to see from that period it would unquestionably be the 1978/9 European Cup First Round Second Leg match at Anfield between Liverpool and Forest.
Liverpool were trying for a third straight European Cup win, Forest the ONLY team in Britain that had consistently given them problems in the previous year. An inspired Forest had taken a 2-0 lead into the return leg, and before a frenzied Anfield crowd Clough's men stood toe to toe with the great Paisley side and held out for a magnificent 0-0 result. Sadly, this was in the days of 20 minutes highlights on 'Sportsnight', so publicly we've seen very little of it and very little of it is available on Youtube and the like.
I used to see a woman who was an Anfield season ticket holder and obsessive fan. She once described that night, that Forest game, as something like no other she'd seen of the hundreds of Liverpool matches she'd watched, including the legendary 1977 St Etienne game where super-sub David Fairclough came off the bench to write himself into Liverpool folklore.
If there is anyone out there who was a full-length film of it, don't be shy.
If I could select just ONE game to see from that period it would unquestionably be the 1978/9 European Cup First Round Second Leg match at Anfield between Liverpool and Forest.
Liverpool were trying for a third straight European Cup win, Forest the ONLY team in Britain that had consistently given them problems in the previous year. An inspired Forest had taken a 2-0 lead into the return leg, and before a frenzied Anfield crowd Clough's men stood toe to toe with the great Paisley side and held out for a magnificent 0-0 result. Sadly, this was in the days of 20 minutes highlights on 'Sportsnight', so publicly we've seen very little of it and very little of it is available on Youtube and the like.
I used to see a woman who was an Anfield season ticket holder and obsessive fan. She once described that night, that Forest game, as something like no other she'd seen of the hundreds of Liverpool matches she'd watched, including the legendary 1977 St Etienne game where super-sub David Fairclough came off the bench to write himself into Liverpool folklore.
If there is anyone out there who was a full-length film of it, don't be shy.
St Ettiene were a decent side back then. Got to the Final in 76.
The St. Etienne match was the most important in Liverpools history.
You tell 'em LFC.
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http://www.lfchistory.net/Articles/Article/1964
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http://www.lfchistory.net/Articles/Article/1964
"From the days when football was good"....couldn't have worded that better Roger.When teams played in their home kit when at all possible and played in yellow when not.Simply a brilliant documentary and a must watch for anyone born in the 50s/60s.Many thanks for bringing it my attention.
Sorry..that was submitted before i re read it.*When teams played in their home kit, home and away and only changed to yellow if their was a clash.*Many thanks for bringing it to my attention.
If I recall correctly Ray Kennedy was majestic in that St Etienne match, when it was on a knife edge he turned the knife.
After those late 15 or 20 min. everything changed.
After those late 15 or 20 min. everything changed.
did'nt ray kennedy score a left foot pearler that night in kop end, top corner ? or have i got wrong game .
not that one mm although Kennedy did score, when it looked like Liverpool were going out, after that game they never looked like losing to anyone again...except Forest and their great manager Clough
Always liked the footage of Clough at Forests training ground.
Think it was Archie Gemmel was running down the left wing and hit a pretty poor cross
You heard Cloughs distinctive voice from the sideline shout.. OH thats awful, Bloody awful!
Just the way he said it, he was funny, charming and charismatic.
Always liked the footage of Clough at Forests training ground.
Think it was Archie Gemmel was running down the left wing and hit a pretty poor cross
You heard Cloughs distinctive voice from the sideline shout.. OH thats awful, Bloody awful!
Just the way he said it, he was funny, charming and charismatic.
Brilliant film/documentary.
Watched it last night on BT Sports Europe.
Burns was a bit of a thug. That headbutt from behind was vicious. Would have been a 3 month ban now.
Watched it last night on BT Sports Europe.
Burns was a bit of a thug. That headbutt from behind was vicious. Would have been a 3 month ban now.
Never realised Tony Woodcock had a Shirley Temple fixation
St Ettiene were a decent side back then. Got to the Final in 76.
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They were possibly the BEST team in Europe during parts of the 70s ,certainly around 1977 .
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They were possibly the BEST team in Europe during parts of the 70s ,certainly around 1977 .
St Ettiene were a decent side back then. Got to the Final in 76.
So WHAT...Showaddywaddy were big in the 1970's as well. You dont hear people banging on about them all the time.
Messi, Suarez, Ronaldo et al would've torn a new one against the boozed up, hangovered, ciggy stinking teams of the 70s/80s.
Just keep your tin-pot format where the big guns could fall at the first fence back in the doldrums please.
So WHAT...Showaddywaddy were big in the 1970's as well. You dont hear people banging on about them all the time.
Messi, Suarez, Ronaldo et al would've torn a new one against the boozed up, hangovered, ciggy stinking teams of the 70s/80s.
Just keep your tin-pot format where the big guns could fall at the first fence back in the doldrums please.
Don't forget Malmo.
Must have been one hell of a team also.
Must have been one hell of a team also.
Malmo beat the French and Soviet champions so were clearly a decent side. Quality was more evenly distributed throughout Europe and the draw could cut up because the best sides could draw each other early, just as Forest played the reigning champions Liverpool in the first round in 1978. Liverpool lost to those giants of the game CSKA Sofia, Dynamo Tblisi and Widzew Lodz during that period. It was a different time.
After a further look (out of boredom between races at Kempton) in the 76-77 tournament Kiev became the first team to beat Bayern in 4 seasons, then narrowly lost the semi final. Malmo knocked them out two seasons later. In 76-77 Malmo only lost 2-1 on aggregate to Italian champions Torino.
Brugge beat Atletico and Juventus before losing to Liverpool in the final. The season before they beat Real Madrid and lost only 3-2 to Monchengladbach.
These were very decent sides. As for St Etienne they would probably have beaten the great Bayern at Hampden had there not been bizarre square goalposts.
Brugge beat Atletico and Juventus before losing to Liverpool in the final. The season before they beat Real Madrid and lost only 3-2 to Monchengladbach.
These were very decent sides. As for St Etienne they would probably have beaten the great Bayern at Hampden had there not been bizarre square goalposts.
Notts County are the most famous team in Nottingham by a country mile.
TheBetterBettor 24 Feb 16 18:22
St Ettiene were a decent side back then. Got to the Final in 76.
So WHAT...Showaddywaddy were big in the 1970's as well. You dont hear people banging on about them all the time.
Yeah, makes me sick all these people constantly going on about the great St Etienne team of the 70s. Give it a rest, you people!
Just keep your tin-pot format where the big guns could fall at the first fence back in the doldrums please.
Agreed. Who wants to see competitive games before Christmas when you could have the security blanket of largely meaningless groups to ensure the big guns like Man U safely make it to the knockout phase?
St Ettiene were a decent side back then. Got to the Final in 76.
So WHAT...Showaddywaddy were big in the 1970's as well. You dont hear people banging on about them all the time.
Yeah, makes me sick all these people constantly going on about the great St Etienne team of the 70s. Give it a rest, you people!
Just keep your tin-pot format where the big guns could fall at the first fence back in the doldrums please.
Agreed. Who wants to see competitive games before Christmas when you could have the security blanket of largely meaningless groups to ensure the big guns like Man U safely make it to the knockout phase?
cheers roger i will try to watch this now.
imo clough is the greatest manager ever in england, also winning the league with derby.
sheen is excellent in the damn united, a cracking film.
certainly different times then.
imo clough is the greatest manager ever in england, also winning the league with derby.
sheen is excellent in the damn united, a cracking film.
certainly different times then.
Rather see the team that finishes 2nd in La liga than Celtic in the Group stages.......HTH.
Well you must be delighted with the current format that has devalued UEFA's 2nd competition to a laughing stock, eliminated the 3rd, while simultaneously devaluing domestic leagues to the extent that Arsenal's ambition every year is to finish 4th.
Hurrah for progress.
Hurrah for progress.
A European League will happen soon. Top teams from the big countries, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Portugal, Holland, England and Scotland. 
Mikael D'Haguenet 25 Feb 16 12:26
Well you must be delighted with the current format that has devalued UEFA's 2nd competition to a laughing stock, eliminated the 3rd, while simultaneously devaluing domestic leagues to the extent that Arsenal's ambition every year is to finish 4th.
Hurrah for progress.
Excellent post
Well you must be delighted with the current format that has devalued UEFA's 2nd competition to a laughing stock, eliminated the 3rd, while simultaneously devaluing domestic leagues to the extent that Arsenal's ambition every year is to finish 4th.
Hurrah for progress.
Excellent post
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