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more tory madness ..which makes the disabled lives a misery, I warned of this and crippen and eo and other torys laughed it off..its all about austerity yet there incompetence costs us more
more tory madness ..which makes the disabled lives a misery, I warned of this and crippen and eo and other torys laughed it off..its all about austerity yet there incompetence costs us more
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The private sector always do things better than the public sector.
Leave the job to the civil servants and they'd be running up bills bigger than defence for the job!
Leave the job to the civil servants and they'd be running up bills bigger than defence for the job!
Jan 13, 2016 -- 5:05PM, Dr Crippen wrote:
The private sector always do things better than the public sector.Leave the job to the civil servants and they'd be running up bills bigger than defence for the job!
Not sure rail travelers would agree with that???
You may be right Dr C, on reflection it's been many years (1990 ffs 
) since I traveled by train and spoke to fellow passengers. Message to self; get a grip. 
) since I traveled by train and spoke to fellow passengers. Message to self; get a grip.
First Bowie and now Alan Rickman.
That makes two more pensioners this week for tony to add to his tally of old timers popping off during the winter. And all down to the wicked Tory cuts.
That makes two more pensioners this week for tony to add to his tally of old timers popping off during the winter. And all down to the wicked Tory cuts.
all these changes to benefit cuts have very little to do with whittling the small % of people who defraud the system,but everything to do with putting as many hurdles as possible in the way of people who are entitled to benefits in the hope the hurdles stop them applying or sign themselves off, the millions saved can be put together with the other 10,s of millions already saved because older people are to proud to claim what they are entitled to, imo
Friend Got made redundant ,hes been put on this new Universal caper ,7 weeks he has not received a penny ,fortunately he has money ,unreal tbh 
According to a report from the DWP before Christmas.
As a result of the tests, large numbers of former claimants who were turned away are now in work.
How can you put a price on the difference that has made to their lives?
All they needed was a little push and they've turned their lives around.
I say three cheers for IDS. Keep up the good work.
As a result of the tests, large numbers of former claimants who were turned away are now in work.
How can you put a price on the difference that has made to their lives?
All they needed was a little push and they've turned their lives around.
I say three cheers for IDS. Keep up the good work.
Here's another one they caught fiddling the system.
https://www.dsdni.gov.uk/news/limavady-man-convicted-benefit-fraud
https://www.dsdni.gov.uk/news/limavady-man-convicted-benefit-fraud
crippen, remember you are a landlord, who relies on HB don't be a hypocrite
Every system put in place for everything will be abused by the odd chancer. A bit like the Non tax paying people and companies who take advantage, but most do not abuse anything.
There are many disabled or sick people in the UK, a large proportion of whom will not be physically able to work.
They are an easy, virtually silent, target for the out of touch sociopaths who make the rules (and the money) and make political mileage from telling unbending, unaffected Crippens that what they're doing is "The right thing to do". The poor sods are hungry and cold now (as well as being disabled and sick).
There aren't enough jobs for the people who ARE able to work without keeping on at the ones who aren't.
Also the private sector doesn't necessarily do things better. What they do is make far more profit, make loads of cuts to services and charge far more to everybody for what they do than the public sector.
The sad thing about the garbage I read on this forum is that it just goes to show how easy it is for government spin/advertising/marketing/press assistance to fool some of the people all of the time.
There are many disabled or sick people in the UK, a large proportion of whom will not be physically able to work.
They are an easy, virtually silent, target for the out of touch sociopaths who make the rules (and the money) and make political mileage from telling unbending, unaffected Crippens that what they're doing is "The right thing to do". The poor sods are hungry and cold now (as well as being disabled and sick).
There aren't enough jobs for the people who ARE able to work without keeping on at the ones who aren't.
Also the private sector doesn't necessarily do things better. What they do is make far more profit, make loads of cuts to services and charge far more to everybody for what they do than the public sector.
The sad thing about the garbage I read on this forum is that it just goes to show how easy it is for government spin/advertising/marketing/press assistance to fool some of the people all of the time.
This vigorous pursuit of the disabled would be understandable if it applied to everyone.
It certainly doesn't apply to new arrivals.
It certainly doesn't apply to the Roma.
It certainly doesn't apply to polygamous Imams.
In the words of a recently deceased pop star they are " beating up the wrong guy "
But are they,the wrong guy here is the indigenous Brit,its his heritage that's being taken away.
It certainly doesn't apply to new arrivals.
It certainly doesn't apply to the Roma.
It certainly doesn't apply to polygamous Imams.
In the words of a recently deceased pop star they are " beating up the wrong guy "
But are they,the wrong guy here is the indigenous Brit,its his heritage that's being taken away.
its a fair point Wildman..of all the people ive seen found fit for work (when serious ill)none have been muslim?
maybe they are noy highlighted as the rest are..although it is strange come to think of it.
What's the point of Chit Chat, if chatters get gagged???. There was nothing offensive in the post that was removed.
tony, you assume a lot about me. I've never said on here what I do for a living.
You're a benefit claimer yourself, who uses the forum as a platform to vent his anger at being asked to prove that he's disabled.
If you are genuinely disabled then what are you frightened off?
You're a benefit claimer yourself, who uses the forum as a platform to vent his anger at being asked to prove that he's disabled.
If you are genuinely disabled then what are you frightened off?
The poor sods are hungry and cold now (as well as being disabled and sick).
Absolute nonsense, disabled people have never been so well looked after as they are now.
Perhaps that's why the figures for people claiming a disability have gone through the roof.
They can get more money if they are disabled.
The only difference now is they are being asked to prove it.
And suddenly many of them are feeling better and finding work. Which speaks for itself.
Absolute nonsense, disabled people have never been so well looked after as they are now.
Perhaps that's why the figures for people claiming a disability have gone through the roof.
They can get more money if they are disabled.
The only difference now is they are being asked to prove it.
And suddenly many of them are feeling better and finding work. Which speaks for itself.
I'd forgotten how childish some of the posters ore on chit chat.
Heeeere's Johnny
Heeeere's Johnny
tony
What about the thousands who were stopped from claiming benefit because they weren't ill and went off and found jobs?
What about the thousands who were stopped from claiming benefit because they weren't ill and went off and found jobs?
Crippen
Because people were stopped from claiming benefits and found jobs doesn't mean they were fit for work. Poverty and desperation often go hand-in-hand. How many of them are still in work and how has their health suffered? Has anyone looked at the possible future costs to the NHS for treating people who shouldn't really have been in work but were forced into it?
The whole system is designed to pamper to Tory middle-class voters. Savings, if any, are negligible. The suffering caused is huge.
Because people were stopped from claiming benefits and found jobs doesn't mean they were fit for work. Poverty and desperation often go hand-in-hand. How many of them are still in work and how has their health suffered? Has anyone looked at the possible future costs to the NHS for treating people who shouldn't really have been in work but were forced into it?
The whole system is designed to pamper to Tory middle-class voters. Savings, if any, are negligible. The suffering caused is huge.
what a load of tosh, having something to get out of bed for must be healthy for the mind, earning your own wages will lead to healthier mind and soul.
Jan 15, 2016 -- 8:08PM, Ibrahima Sonko wrote:
what a load of tosh, having something to get out of bed for must be healthy for the mind, earning your own wages will lead to healthier mind and soul.
If my post was tosh yours is bollocks.
Being forced to get out of bed and go to work when you're ill isn't healthy for the mind, body or soul.
Can't agree more with Ibrahima Sonko.
What can be more soul destroying than living on benefits, especially when you know in your heart that you are a fraud.
I say get out and earn your keep and leave the begging bowl to those who genuinely need help.
What can be more soul destroying than living on benefits, especially when you know in your heart that you are a fraud.
I say get out and earn your keep and leave the begging bowl to those who genuinely need help.
Afraid charlie is a defeatist, he would rather have people that are not allowed to escape the welfare system.
I have an Uncle who has issues, but he is made to work in a charity shop 3 days a week, he pretends its a pain in the butt but he actually looks forward to it, plus we get to talk about it instead of discussing how is it sat around at home all day doing nothing.
I have an Uncle who has issues, but he is made to work in a charity shop 3 days a week, he pretends its a pain in the butt but he actually looks forward to it, plus we get to talk about it instead of discussing how is it sat around at home all day doing nothing.
The background to all this is the assessment Labour commissioned reported back in about 2008/09 which suggested that a significant majority of people claiming they were too ill to work were actually capable of working. That was discussed at length on the politics forum at the time but doesn't seem to be out there on the net now. Something had to be done and it was Labour who started the process. It isn't party political. Thatcher was a big causative factor of the problems we still have. I support engaging with people to help them back in to meaningful employment. Equally I don't like the sick being hounded.
why should he be paid charlie ?
He gets a flat & weekly payment from the government. Even if it costs the government money to get people back into work and it runs at a loss it has to be much healthier for society in the long term.
did he just call me the c word ?
He gets a flat & weekly payment from the government. Even if it costs the government money to get people back into work and it runs at a loss it has to be much healthier for society in the long term.
did he just call me the c word ?
It should be apolitical but isn't right now.
I whole heartedly agree with help in engaging people back to work as they see fit for themselves. Forcing ill people back to work is a different issue. The fit for work tests that these people are put through are ludicrous.
I whole heartedly agree with help in engaging people back to work as they see fit for themselves. Forcing ill people back to work is a different issue. The fit for work tests that these people are put through are ludicrous.
If someone is genuinely ill the i would be surprised if they were made to work. Clearly their will be mistakes but at this moment we have the lowest unemployment for ages.
If you are a leftie then you will highlight the sad failed cases, lefties need failures to survive, they feed off it.
But at the moment they have hundreds of thousands back into work, how can that not be good ?
If you are a leftie then you will highlight the sad failed cases, lefties need failures to survive, they feed off it.
But at the moment they have hundreds of thousands back into work, how can that not be good ?
IS
That's a different scheme I believe. Will it get him back into paid work?
There are ill people and there are scroungers. They are not necessarily the same.
There are a lot more unemployed that do nothing and are not ill. That is a bigger problem.
That's a different scheme I believe. Will it get him back into paid work?
There are ill people and there are scroungers. They are not necessarily the same.
There are a lot more unemployed that do nothing and are not ill. That is a bigger problem.
IS
I'm probably far right not left. But I suppose they join somewhere.
You seem to have missed the whole point of this discussion; ill people, often seriously ill people, are being classified as fit for work.
I'd like to look at the figures, where do you get them from please.
I'm probably far right not left. But I suppose they join somewhere.
You seem to have missed the whole point of this discussion; ill people, often seriously ill people, are being classified as fit for work.
I'd like to look at the figures, where do you get them from please.
He cant handle a full time job, as the past proves. At the moment it is going well but no doubt he will get bored and it will go tits up.
Maybe the government think it could lead to full time employment, i dont know. He suffered brain damage as a child, very intelligent but juvenile habits at the age of 50.
Maybe the government think it could lead to full time employment, i dont know. He suffered brain damage as a child, very intelligent but juvenile habits at the age of 50.
IS
Sorry to here that.
People like your uncle, and unfortunately worse, are being passed as fit for work and having benefits stopped. Some will find employment and be exploited. The system is wrong.
Sorry to here that.
People like your uncle, and unfortunately worse, are being passed as fit for work and having benefits stopped. Some will find employment and be exploited. The system is wrong.
I'd like to look at the figures, where do you get them from please.
He comes on here sounding off and calling people obscene names and he hasn't even seen any figures to back up what he says.
He must think that the DWP should simply take everyone's word for it that they're ill.
He comes on here sounding off and calling people obscene names and he hasn't even seen any figures to back up what he says.
He must think that the DWP should simply take everyone's word for it that they're ill.
Crippen
You said "Perhaps that's why the figures for people claiming a disability have gone through the roof." and "He comes on here sounding off and calling people obscene names and he hasn't even seen any figures to back up what he says."
I said "I'd like to look at the figures, where do you get them from please".
According to this the figures haven't gone through the roof:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/452513/statistical-summary-august-2015.pdf
Where do you get your figures from please?
You said "Perhaps that's why the figures for people claiming a disability have gone through the roof." and "He comes on here sounding off and calling people obscene names and he hasn't even seen any figures to back up what he says."
I said "I'd like to look at the figures, where do you get them from please".
According to this the figures haven't gone through the roof:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/452513/statistical-summary-august-2015.pdf
Where do you get your figures from please?
Ah, foul-mouthed Charlie.
Are going to call me an obscene name again if I answer your silly question and put you away for the night?
What are you trying to pull? Those figures are since 2014.
The tests have been running since 2011.
They prove the effectiveness of the new tests.
Disability Living Allowance (DLA) 3.13 million claimants down 119 thousand since February 2014
Try again.
Are going to call me an obscene name again if I answer your silly question and put you away for the night?
What are you trying to pull? Those figures are since 2014.
The tests have been running since 2011.
They prove the effectiveness of the new tests.
Disability Living Allowance (DLA) 3.13 million claimants down 119 thousand since February 2014
Try again.
if them figures are true crippen the only reason will be people waiting on appeals?(increased 35% since 2011) as you well know thousands have been refused dla wrongly since this gov was elected..claims for its replacement ..PIP are up on dla numbers?so no savings only more cost threw incompetence from the tories
tony the figures were rising before the tests, and now they're falling.
Says it all.
Says it all.
People who make fraudulent benefit claims are streetwise and know how to beat the system. The people suffering from the cutbacks are mostly the genuine cases. The old, sick and handicapped. IDS and the rest are evil.
charlie crippen is a wide up merchant...he knows how he comes across!
EE
I'm not angry. I rarely get angry. Injustice does upset me though.
I'm not angry. I rarely get angry. Injustice does upset me though.
People like that are always angry.
Spoilt as children, they grow up expecting to get their own way in everything, then when they bump into anyone with a contrary view they start throwing the insults around.
They rarely amount to anything in life.
Spoilt as children, they grow up expecting to get their own way in everything, then when they bump into anyone with a contrary view they start throwing the insults around.
They rarely amount to anything in life.
I would like to see some proof that he is a thug, anything to back up your accusations ?
as i thought, cant answer the question. Since your in the mood for using words that dont make any sense. Where has anyone accused you of being a weirdo or a communist ?
Sonko the level of abuse that can thrown on the politics forum look in sometimes
anybody that does not have a right wing redneck view of the world is accused of being a weirdo or a communist
You can turn that around to ''anybody who isn't a weirdo or a communist is accused of being a right wing redneck.''
Six of one and half a dozen of the other.
You can turn that around to ''anybody who isn't a weirdo or a communist is accused of being a right wing redneck.''
Six of one and half a dozen of the other.
Im not brave enough to venture into the politics forum.
good for you, its a biased right wing zone, some of us out debated plenty on there without being vile, only stating facts about government ministers incompetence or government policy that is ideologically driven..yet all threads were deleted?..yet when I and others complained..crippen and eo ..blamed myself and others saying were were breaking betfair rules by accusing ministers of such things.....I left saying what I thought and stating it was a joke..how funny it was to see EO then leave and cry over his posts deleted with others that were not liked..
tony it shouldn't surprise you to see a lot of your posts removed.
Many of your posts contain abuse.
Others of yours that were removed, accused The Secretary of State for Work and Pensions of murder over his welfare reforms.
You stick your neck out them complain when it's chopped off.
''calm down dear, it's a commercial''
Many of your posts contain abuse.
Others of yours that were removed, accused The Secretary of State for Work and Pensions of murder over his welfare reforms.
You stick your neck out them complain when it's chopped off.
''calm down dear, it's a commercial''
Sorry I never paid much attention to your posts tony so I'm not sure what you're talking about regarding your posts being deleted. My thoughts on censure are pretty well known though. I do recall you sent me several private messages sobbing about something being unfair.
Everybody gets posts deleted, left-wing and right-wing.
I covered Tony's deleted posts on my last visit here.
its a biased right wing zone
It is now.
So if you're left-wing and fancy a go on the Politics forum. You'll need to go armed with more than single line abusive comments like most of the current left wing crop that venture there these days.
Although sean rua is the exception.
I covered Tony's deleted posts on my last visit here.
its a biased right wing zone
It is now.
So if you're left-wing and fancy a go on the Politics forum. You'll need to go armed with more than single line abusive comments like most of the current left wing crop that venture there these days.
Although sean rua is the exception.
i never accused anyone of murder, please post were I said this?..
All your offensive stuff been taken down as well you know. It's not there anymore. Betfair has deleted the lot.
I can debate you to death
You couldn't debate what to have for dinner.
Asking question after question littered with inaccuracies and your own made up figures is not debating.
Most people down even bother answering your posts now. I'm the only one you've got left who bothers with you.
That's why you nearly always address everything to me.
All your offensive stuff been taken down as well you know. It's not there anymore. Betfair has deleted the lot.
I can debate you to death
You couldn't debate what to have for dinner.
Asking question after question littered with inaccuracies and your own made up figures is not debating.
Most people down even bother answering your posts now. I'm the only one you've got left who bothers with you.
That's why you nearly always address everything to me.
That's why you nearly always address everything to me.
Yes tony, please go away and hump someone else's leg for a change.
Yes tony, please go away and hump someone else's leg for a change.
Charlie, Baron and Tony all in the same place. We know where the dirty protest will be taking place tonight. Somebody bring the blunderbuss.
No dirty protest. I have a shower, toilet and no sympathy for the IRA.
Marvellous news. Give us a shout if you need any help searching for your brain Charlie. 
Just having a laugh Charlie. This place is for bread and circuses.
For what it's worth I have posted several times on various threads that I was in the army in the 70's in NI. I remember the dirty protest.
Statistics mean nowt. In the real world we see people who are seriously ill being forced to work in charity shops or partake in worthless schemes to get their entitled benefits. Government would save more money scrapping these worthless training schemes, which cost a fortune, and just pay the genuine sick their entitled benefits. To suggest that everybody claiming benefits is a scrounger is utter nonsense. Perhaps some of the posters need to get more involved in their communities. Like I said earlier, it's the genuine cases that are more likely to suffer. People who are fit and work shy know how to play the system. There is a sad lack of compassion in this country now and we all know who is to blame for that. I tend to agree with some fair points that EO has made. And before anybody makes a wild statement, I have worked all my life and had my own businesses creating jobs. I see a young woman who is obviously unfit for work go for the bus every day to partake on a scheme, while young druggies don't and get more money than her. One day that poor lass is going to drop dead in the street. I hope I'm wrong on that point.
My daughter has a friend who has some problems, but still works - full time, even though it's difficult for her. This poor girl has a 16 year old sister who is seriously mentally disabled. Their mother (aged 50) has to be a full time carer and unfortunately has a spinal problem inhibiting her movement, despite this she still works (in the main cleaning toilets in a school) for 16 hours a week. Their father has died.
One week the woman was asked to fill in for a missing colleague and had 2 hours extra duty and so worked for 18 hours.
As a result and with no right to appeal, she was sanctioned and had her benefits (which are vital for her to live on) stopped for a month.
The oldest daughter cannot move back home to live with her mother and sister because she will then become liable for paying the rent, which on its own is more than her (minimum) wage. So, she's fecked and life's already hard enough.
This sort of thing doesn't make good TV or sell papers, but is much more common than the stuff that does.
Not that it's the first time it has been mentioned on here, the scroungers and cheats make up the MINORITY of people who claim benefits.
Still, so long as the politicians and journalists earn plenty and can set rules and opinion the way they want to, there will we be people - as evidenced on here so often - who will continue to spread the word for them.
One week the woman was asked to fill in for a missing colleague and had 2 hours extra duty and so worked for 18 hours.
As a result and with no right to appeal, she was sanctioned and had her benefits (which are vital for her to live on) stopped for a month.
The oldest daughter cannot move back home to live with her mother and sister because she will then become liable for paying the rent, which on its own is more than her (minimum) wage. So, she's fecked and life's already hard enough.
This sort of thing doesn't make good TV or sell papers, but is much more common than the stuff that does.
Not that it's the first time it has been mentioned on here, the scroungers and cheats make up the MINORITY of people who claim benefits.
Still, so long as the politicians and journalists earn plenty and can set rules and opinion the way they want to, there will we be people - as evidenced on here so often - who will continue to spread the word for them.
That's a very sobering story Study. Unfortunately there will be many cases like that but even more examples of people rinsing the system by working 16 hours and making their money up near enough to full time through tax credits. How you help the former and discourage the latter is the question. Osborne seems to be trying to do the latter but I'd agree that the Tories aren't helping the former very much.
For what it's worth I have posted several times on various threads that I was in the army in the 70's in NI. I remember the dirty protest.
Is that where you got your dirty mouth from, the dirty protest?
I should have guessed you were army material.
Is that where you got your dirty mouth from, the dirty protest?
I should have guessed you were army material.
Crippen
You couldn't guess your arse from your elbow. Look at the above posts and still say you're right.
You and your two mates IS and EE have seriously out of sync wyrd.
EE thought he was being clever, as he often does, by posting things that he expects people don't know. A bit like you when you say people don't know their stats then you complain because they're up-to-date. You post no evidence of anything. Just sheer clap trap from a waste a patronising waste of space.
You said: "People like that are always angry.
Spoilt as children, they grow up expecting to get their own way in everything, then when they bump into anyone with a contrary view they start throwing the insults around.
They rarely amount to anything in life."
I'd wager a large bet I've done more, and achieved more, in my life than you ever will in your pompous arrogant futile existence. YOU ARE IN SERIOUS NEED OF HELP.
You couldn't guess your arse from your elbow. Look at the above posts and still say you're right.
You and your two mates IS and EE have seriously out of sync wyrd.
EE thought he was being clever, as he often does, by posting things that he expects people don't know. A bit like you when you say people don't know their stats then you complain because they're up-to-date. You post no evidence of anything. Just sheer clap trap from a waste a patronising waste of space.
You said: "People like that are always angry.
Spoilt as children, they grow up expecting to get their own way in everything, then when they bump into anyone with a contrary view they start throwing the insults around.
They rarely amount to anything in life."
I'd wager a large bet I've done more, and achieved more, in my life than you ever will in your pompous arrogant futile existence. YOU ARE IN SERIOUS NEED OF HELP.
Apologise you didn't. "Just having a laugh Charlie. This place is for bread and circuses." That is not an apology.
"Dragging dopes through hedges backwards is something of a specialty of mine. Buckle up sucker. Your ride is about to get bumpy."
Mr arrogant, get you. I'm really frightened.
"Dragging dopes through hedges backwards is something of a specialty of mine. Buckle up sucker. Your ride is about to get bumpy."
Mr arrogant, get you. I'm really frightened.
It was an olive branch. You don't need to be frightened in any way. Humiliation can be enriching.
Your version of an olive branch must be someone being whipped with it.
Humiliation is for someone humiliated. Not me. You try to be so clever, at times I have thought you post good comments, but often fail.
I'm quite prepared for anything you say. Bullies never win.
Humiliation is for someone humiliated. Not me. You try to be so clever, at times I have thought you post good comments, but often fail.
I'm quite prepared for anything you say. Bullies never win.
I would hate for anybody to think I'm a bully. Even my worst enemy. I put my stake in the ground and defend it. If you can't see the first post on this page as an olive branch then you were and are clearly in the mood for confrontation and like I said I'll be your huckleberry.
Saying "Dragging dopes through hedges backwards is something of a specialty of mine. Buckle up sucker. Your ride is about to get bumpy."
Must be pretty close to bullying.
What was this supposed to mean: "Marvellous news. Give us a shout if you need any help searching for your brain Charlie. Wink"?
Just answer truthfully in plain English.
Must be pretty close to bullying.
What was this supposed to mean: "Marvellous news. Give us a shout if you need any help searching for your brain Charlie. Wink"?
Just answer truthfully in plain English.
Must be pretty close to bullying.
Not really. I was responding to this:
EE thought he was being clever, as he often does, by posting things that he expects people don't know.
I took exception to your presumptiousness. Don't tell me what I think or what I think people don't know. I'd guess most posters on here are of a certain age. Few will be unaware of what a dirty protest is.
Just answer truthfully in plain English.
In plain English, whilst the guts of the thread has been ripped out with posts being removed I didn't like you, Baron and tony taking it in turns cheap shotting Crippen.
Not really. I was responding to this:
EE thought he was being clever, as he often does, by posting things that he expects people don't know.
I took exception to your presumptiousness. Don't tell me what I think or what I think people don't know. I'd guess most posters on here are of a certain age. Few will be unaware of what a dirty protest is.
Just answer truthfully in plain English.
In plain English, whilst the guts of the thread has been ripped out with posts being removed I didn't like you, Baron and tony taking it in turns cheap shotting Crippen.
EE
I'll have to trawl through thread to see who said what to whom. But not now.
You do have a knack of trying to be smart. Just speak in plain English and don't try and threaten people.
Agree that original important topic has unfortunately been sidetracked. Memory serves the other way round. IS and Crippen certainly having a go at me when I joined in and Tony before that. I'll check tomorrow. Some posts have been removed however.
I'll have to trawl through thread to see who said what to whom. But not now.
You do have a knack of trying to be smart. Just speak in plain English and don't try and threaten people.
Agree that original important topic has unfortunately been sidetracked. Memory serves the other way round. IS and Crippen certainly having a go at me when I joined in and Tony before that. I'll check tomorrow. Some posts have been removed however.
That would be me. Hanks Arse knows because he is Clueless From Clayton.
Memories are made of this. You sound like one of those Scouse mugs.
You know he's feeling the heat. Posts getting deleted left right and centre.
He called me the c-word then claims i am bully.
I'd wager a large bet I've done more, and achieved more, in my life than you ever will in your pompous arrogant futile existence.
It's a bit late to start boasting now after telling us you're ex army.
By the way.
What were you running away from in the army - work?
It's a bit late to start boasting now after telling us you're ex army.
By the way.
What were you running away from in the army - work?
shows you for all your worth crippen ,trying to belittle a mans service to his country.
tony,
What was he trying to do except belittle me by calling me a ****?
I hadn't provoked him at all.
If he's a representative of the army type then it doesn't say much for them.
What was he trying to do except belittle me by calling me a ****?
I hadn't provoked him at all.
If he's a representative of the army type then it doesn't say much for them.
you can argue with the man ..you can call him whatever, but don't question his service to his country.
Crippen
This is you not provoking me at all:
"He comes on here sounding off and calling people obscene names and he hasn't even seen any figures to back up what he says." Was wrong, i had seen the figures.
"People like that are always angry." Wrong, I rarely get angry.
"Spoilt as children, " Completely wrong, I come from a very working class family who often hadn't got two brass half-pennies to rub together.
"they grow up expecting to get their own way in everything, then when they bump into anyone with a contrary view they start throwing the insults around. " As an (ex) university lecturer this clearly doesn't make sense. I could use your title but don't.
They rarely amount to anything in life." Debatable.
What were you running away from in the army - work? Laughable really.
There's a few more but you get the gist.
This is you not provoking me at all:
"He comes on here sounding off and calling people obscene names and he hasn't even seen any figures to back up what he says." Was wrong, i had seen the figures.
"People like that are always angry." Wrong, I rarely get angry.
"Spoilt as children, " Completely wrong, I come from a very working class family who often hadn't got two brass half-pennies to rub together.
"they grow up expecting to get their own way in everything, then when they bump into anyone with a contrary view they start throwing the insults around. " As an (ex) university lecturer this clearly doesn't make sense. I could use your title but don't.
They rarely amount to anything in life." Debatable.
What were you running away from in the army - work? Laughable really.
There's a few more but you get the gist.
Charlie
15 Jan 16 21:02
I'd like to look at the figures, where do you get them from please.
Charlie
19 Jan 16 20:08
Crippen
This is you not provoking me at all:
"He comes on here sounding off and calling people obscene names and he hasn't even seen any figures to back up what he says." Was wrong, i had seen the figures.
Lol
This is easier than shooting fish in a barrel.
Nice post Charlie.
Don't be surprised if no one believes a word you write.
15 Jan 16 21:02
I'd like to look at the figures, where do you get them from please.
Charlie
19 Jan 16 20:08
Crippen
This is you not provoking me at all:
"He comes on here sounding off and calling people obscene names and he hasn't even seen any figures to back up what he says." Was wrong, i had seen the figures.
Lol
This is easier than shooting fish in a barrel.
Nice post Charlie.
Don't be surprised if no one believes a word you write.
You're getting desperate now.
Where do you get the figures from please. Still no answer.
Where do you get the figures from please. Still no answer.
You seem to have missed off most of what I posted. No answer to those either. Selective reply which just happens to be nonsense.
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