IT WAS A BOMB!

it was a bomb, yes.

some time before we are told tho', as the geopolitics are very complicated.   A bomb is bad news for Putin. And he doesn't like bad news.

inspector clouseau " a bomb"

Putins reaction will be very interesting,it is said the third world war started five years ago,we are living in very very unstable times.

Putin is a guy I think that the world needs (to a point) to keep the yanks in check.The devastation caused by usa in middle east cental America is appalling,and we are now paying the price.It is a bad time to be aligned with the US and NATO imo.

How Putin reacts will certainly give us an indication of what his long term intentions are.I started a topic called BRICS earlier well worth a visit to google.

Interesting to see how Putin reacts - that ISIS coud kill so many Russians is not something he would want to acknowledge but if he's looking for an excuse to get more involved in Syria...

The battle lines are being drawn as the superpowers carve up the middle east between them.

Possible Taliban / ISIS breakout of Northern Afghaniastann into former Soviet states of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan (who are still very much pro-Moscow)

This would create a second front to the Syrian / northern Iraq conflict and give ISIS control of lucrative opium smuggling routes into Russia and Eastern Europe

Putin getting more and more sucked into an anti-ISIS position. The West should be using all diplomatic powers necessary to bolster this position, since we can negotiate with Putin far more readily than we can with ISIS, who, IMO represent a far greater present danger to the West than Putin ever does or will.

Airport security??

A few years ago I was flying out of Birmingham Airport early-ish one morning and was going through the security scan machine.
Nearby was a security check for crew generally, not just my flight.  Anyway crew people went through scanner and it beeped.  Guy who set it off brought out a bunch of keys and showed it to security guy and then just carried on!!

And on a flight back from Newark to Birmingham on Continental a few years ago, boarded and sat in my seat and ready to go when 4 people who were late rushed on (looked like 2 couples), put stuff in overhead lockers and sat down.  2 minutes later called flight attandant over and for whatever reason they all jumped up and got off.  I then asked flight attendant how she could be sure that they had taken off everything they put in the lockers.  She went off and came back with a security guy who just said I could get off if I wanted!

May be better these days?

I thought initally putin might ignore it,and put it down to mechanical failre,but he can't now.

Putin is not a man to mess with.

You can see a white flash from the centre of the aircraft as the bomb explodes followed by black smoke and then the breakup of the aircraft.

Please forgive but where is the link to this?

The only ones I've seen have been dismissed by experts as useless fabrication!

I think this footage is genuine, but others may disagree. Also, if you look carefully, you can see, just for a second or two, orange coloured flame immediately following the explosion trailing within the black smoke behind the aircraft. Here is the link taken from an Indian TV station. Commentary is not in English.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMwxlS6MIBM

That's the same footage I saw earlier.

Experts have dismissed it on several grounds.

Firstly as not even being the same type of plane!

Secondly as appearing to have been taken from a following aircraft, and also at a much lower altitude than reality.

None of that, of course, can rule out the possibility of some other explanation.

Where's our good friend, and ex pilot,"Irishone" when he's needed?

'Firstly as not even being the same type of plane!' - How can they say that? The A321 has 2 engines, and because this video isn't that clear, it's not obvious from this footage whether this aircraft has 2 or 4 engines. Also the profile of this aircraft is not clear enough to make out whether this is a Boeing or an Airbus, but the explosion is clear enough in my view.

'Secondly as appearing to have been taken from a following aircraft, and also at a much lower altitude than reality.' - It looks very much like the video is taken from a hand held mobile phone and therefore would be taken at ground level. You can see that the operator zooms in on the aircraft almost immediately after the explosion.

Just quoting "the experts".

I have no aeronautical experience, other than building, and flying models back in the 60s!

happened on this website recently -

Breaking - Russian Nuclear Units on the Move, Non-Essential Civilians Told to Leave, Putin’s Ready to Nuke ISIS

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http://beforeitsnews.com/press-releases/2015/10/breaking-russian-nuclear-units-on-the-move-non-essential-civilians-told-to-leave-putins-ready-to-nuke-isis-2919544.html

This news report in last 10 mins:

Airline had not paid employees for two months

The airline of the jet that crashed into the Sinai had not paid its staff in over two months, Russian news agencies have reported.

The widow of the doomed jet's co-pilot, Sergey Trukhachov, said that he had not been paid for three months.

Metrojet's parent company, Kogalymavia, has wage arrears at around 70 million rubles, or just over $1 million, according to its CEO Alexander Snagovsky.

It can be any plane, it could be filmed any time/any day/ any year!

They must use that new special 33mm 330x zoom lens from Hoaxfilms.co, designed to rally the Russian people.

We will only get to know what they want us to know... carry on guessing

That video has been discredited as it didn't come from ISIS sources and ISIS themselves have denied said it wasn them.

That's not to say a bomb bought the plane down, but why has no group taken "credit" if that was the case?

Plane's can come apart mid air without there been a bomb or been shot down. Can't remember when but a plane split apart before. A part was wrongly repaired and it kept on get re repaired but the orginal crack was not properly done and 20 years later the crack caused the plane to basically split mid air.

its too early to say what caused it, so said an expert on tv earlier. he mentioned a japanese plane coming apart, that could be the one you remember anfield. it wont stop the conspiracies though.

strange thread, unless ive missed something nobody has confirmed it wsa a bomb and the footage wasnt even the same plane

Ch 4 expert just said it looks like device exploded from within aircraft !

I'm pretty sure ISIS also took down the Hindenburg.

GRANTCKING - how do you know that it wasn't the same aircraft in the video?

"The experts" had said it wasn't the same type of plane as the engines were at the rear, rather than under the front wings.

From the video I can't see engines at the rear but, more clearly, I can't see them at the front either!

Seems to be a lot of conflicting info. at the moment from different parties who don't want to take the flak. Egyptian authorities adamant that it wasn't shot down because they want to rule out the idea that they don't have control over the areas and terrorists from within are shooting down planes and airline adamant that it was caused by an external factor because they want to rule out the idea that they may be at fault.

To early to tell at this stage what happened.

No definate aswers to anything yet .., what i would say is initially there was definate noises from Egypt that the pilot made a mayday ,this has now been completely rubished and anything else this country says should be taken with a large pinch of salt .Reports suggest the russians have grounded this carriers remaining fleet  and raided their premisis .Not sure but think they are now suggesting there is some sort of mechanical wreckage that should not be their ,not sure what they are trying to suggest , Bits of another aircraft ,a missile ,ect ....the sinai is a fairly high peninusla and might offer a opp for certain devices to be launched and is a hostile area , folks inspecting the wreckage did not take along helicopter gunships for the hell of it imo .Reading some opinions of photos there seems to be agreement the tail section detached after some sort of fire but no sign of any real clues as to what exactly occurred  ,wrong to shout bomb as it really might just fit in neatly here .

Nov 2, 2015 -- 1:10PM, The Leopard wrote:

Ch 4 expert just said it looks like device exploded from within aircraft !

tt

Apparently ...Cameron getting his "Cobra" out

Cmon russia, nuke the fookers.

In view of the fact that Chit-Chat was, as usual, well ahead of the world's intelligence services with this supposition it would seem appropriate to open an official counter-terrorism branch to the CCDA.

The world needs it...

I'm not a security expert, but

when I read that:

1. the plane didn't issue a Mayday call; and

2. it broke up suddenly in mid-air;

3. it took off in the Middle East in an area that's suffering from terrorism (recent attacks in Sharm El Sheikh, FFS) and came down 20 minutes or so later;

I thought - it's probably a bomb.

I still claim that the video that I linked in my original post is genuine, despite whatever anyone else is saying. I think the guy who took the footage KNEW what was going to happen to the plane and started filming as the aircraft flew overhead and just carried on filming until the bomb exploded. His camera had a zoom lens and you can see him zooming in as soon as the bomb exploded. You can also see for about 1 or 2 seconds following the explosion orange flames in the trailing black smoke. The initial white smoke/vapour at the point of detonation is possible white vapour which occurs during sudden decompression with the sudden drop in air pressure. That white vapour disappears as soon as the air pressure is equalised to the external atmospheric pressure (in this case 31,000 feet).

It's not so much the passengers that they should  be looking at, it's the airport staff that should be examined a lot more closely with much tighter security for employees.

I don't think any of it's "rocket science".

Mussie nutty sympathiser puts bomb on plane in unstable mid east country.

There is NO way you would ever get me to fly on a plane that went anywhere near the mid east or mussie country - in fact I'm not very confident of security anywhere with these nutters.

Airport staff

His camera had a zoom lens and you can see him zooming in

I thought you said it was a mobile phone! Can you get one now with a zoom lens?

We can all speculate, day in and out, but don't you agree that a pilot's comments are likely to be more accurate here?

Aunty Post - oh ok, I don't have a mobile phone with a camera. Do the latest smart phones not have a camera zoom facility? You may be right - maybe they don't. Anyone else wish to confirm that this facility is or is not available? Regarding the pilot of this aircraft, he wouldn't have had time to record anything with the cockpit voice recorder as everything would cease to function at the point of detonation.

Regarding the pilot of this aircraft,

Not the pilot of this aircraft! The one who gave his expert opinion!

Aunty

You really haven't got time for all this chit-chat - you should be shredding those accounts.

The tax authorities can go back forever if they have evidence of evasion.
FFS get shredding!

There is NO way you would ever get me to fly on a plane that went anywhere near the mid east...

Agree with you there mememe. I was surprised to hear on the news that thousands fly to Sinai every week from Britain for their holidays.

Aunty Post - I didn't hear the comments from any pilot, but if he thought that the video was a fake, or not the A321 that was shot down, he may be right. I think it'll all come out in the end in any case. We shall have to see. Despite the said video, it's very much looking like that it was a terrorist bomb in any case, with or without video evidence.

Nov 5, 2015 -- 9:08AM, mememe wrote:

I'm not a security expert, butwhen I read that:1. the plane didn't issue a Mayday call; and2. it broke up suddenly in mid-air;3. it took off in the Middle East in an area that's suffering from terrorism (recent attacks in Sharm El Sheikh, FFS) and came down 20 minutes or so later;I thought - it's probably a bomb.

Oh my word ....

His camera had a zoom lens and you can see him zooming in


that's some zoom lens baring in mind the plane was at 30,000 feet.

Well ...... yes.

Egyptian president said ''Ten months ago British security teams checked airport security procedures''

Hmm..... that'll get conspiracy theorists thinking

Only the Brits and Yanks say it was a bomb...CNN have been hammering away at the bomb theory for two days now...more fear mongering so they can take away more of our freedom...had to hit the mute button. Anyone who swallows that crappy video and actually believes it needs their head read.

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Cmon russia, nuke the fookers.
Excited

Nothing funny about nuclear weapons unfortunately

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Possible Taliban / ISIS breakout of Northern Afghaniastann into former Soviet states of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan (who are still very much pro-Moscow)

This would create a second front to the Syrian / northern Iraq conflict and give ISIS control of lucrative opium smuggling routes into Russia and Eastern Europe

Putin getting more and more sucked into an anti-ISIS position. The West should be using all diplomatic powers necessary to bolster this position, since we can negotiate with Putin far more readily than we can with ISIS, who, IMO represent a far greater present danger to the West than Putin ever does or will.

Maybe but Putin has nuclear weapons and is capable of wiping out the west, ISIS don't (thankfully) and are rather puny as a military force compared to the developed nations

rogerthebutler please explain how ISIS presents a 'greater danger to the West than Putin ever will'. What absolute tosh.

Putin no threat whatsoever.  No intention of war with 'the West'.   What tosh to say otherwise.

ISIS on the other hand ... well, put it this way, I'll take my chances with Russia if you'd be prepared to take your chances with iSIS.

The British ambassador to Egypt, John Casson, was just accosted by a frustrated group of holiday makers demanding to know what's going on.

The diplomat, in a suit and tie, glided into the airport where tourists had already been waiting for hours and are now being sent back to their hotels.

Well I guess that's one way of getting around!

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ISIS on the other hand ... well, put it this way, I'll take my chances with Russia if you'd be prepared to take your chances with iSIS.


Pray tell how this ragtag bunch of goatmunchers could possibly threaten any western power except for the odd suicide bomb here and there...they have nothing, they ARE nothing, they are what the media tells you they are and the media is full of bs.

ok - well, if - as I suppose (and supposing is all any of us can do) - Putin has no ambition /intention to stage a third world war, then you cannot be hurt/killed by him or those he commands.  Daesh on the other hand, while also being without ambition to destroy us, our godless unmuslim societies, most certainly regard us as 'enemy', as evidenced by their injunction to their supporters worldwide to mount attacks within their own countries.

so - couldn't be clearer : Putin has no interest - either way - in your wellbeing.  ISIS would take/endorse any opportunity to bring harm to us.    ffs, couldn't be simpler cud it.

CNN just reported that audio obtained from the cockpit voice recorder includes a split second sound of an explosion before it goes dead.

Thats not what is being said elsewhere ,other reports suggest there is nothing recorded on the cvr and fdr of the moment event occurred , these units are located in the tail section beside the  aux power unit (apu) and the tail section detached ,initially there was speculation that this plane had been pictured with long term leaking hydraulic fluid stains from the tail section rudder ,their is also spec about the apu being detached and not an understanding of how it came to be so .We have an ageing plane that was heavily worked on a cheap tourist destination by a small company that was in financially stressed situ ,plane was worked on overnight prior to departure,but nothing major in log .What could have help  changed the direction of the investigation  is the find  of a small child a long distance from other wreckage ,many k in fact and they are saying this child could have been close to an initial blast but one thing for sure the wreckage pattern is confusing aviation crash people ,strange set of events and looks like engines were not running when craft hit the ground ,although there was fire .If it was a bomb in the luggage hold would expect to see damage to luggage  which appears not to be the case ,hence suspicion of catering equip but would like to see the evidence of a bomb ,it happened very quickly  and must have been a fairly big event ,would have been over very quickly for them ,RIP.

I really really do hope CNN end up with egg on their faces and this turns out to be an airframe malfunction of some sort...they've been pushing the bomb theory for two days now...just more fear mongering.

I just watched their latest coverage 30 secs go...their banner at the bottom of the page reads 'BLACK BOXES SHOW AIRCRAFT WAS BROUGHT DOWN BY BOMB'

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so - couldn't be clearer : Putin has no interest - either way - in your wellbeing.  ISIS would take/endorse any opportunity to bring harm to us.    ffs, couldn't be simpler cud it.
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It doesn't matter. Putin has Nuclear weapons, Isis doesn't. That simple fact makes him more dangerous alone.

The fact that several US presidents since Truman have come close to using nuclear weapons in combat (Like Nixon in Vietnam, for example) should alert you to the dangers of a rogue regime (like North Korea or an unstable Russian president) using them

All seems a bit mad ,trying to paint a picture of sham airport like saigon evacuation ,if their was serious  safety fears you dont want a chaotic situ at an airport and too many people in one place with baggage  building up ,madness .Going to be a press conf tomoz ,this a source close to stuff sucks ...

bnb, perhaps there's been an obvious security breach - a miscellaneous staffing issue that could affect any flight.

I agree that it's somewhat ironic that the authorities aren't always cognisant that the apparent "gains" of targeting people in a confined area, aren't limited to the sky.

reports a couple of months ago an Egyptian missile nearly took out an airliner coming out of Stanstead

The BBC understands that UK officials received intelligence based on intercepted communications between militants in the Sinai Peninsula, indicating an explosive device may have been put inside or on top of the luggage just before the plane took off.

This is one more "gaff" that won't please Putin!

Are they saying they knew about it before take off, or is that just referring to suspecting a bomb may have been placed before take off?

Either way, if they had that intelligence before the bomb went off, that doesn't look good!

would like to know at what point the seatbelt light would have went out ? Many passengers were reported to have been found strapped to seats ,would that mean they put them back on or is it now normal to keep them on 25mins into a flight ?

Depends on the pilot...I fly a fair bit...some will switch the sign off before 10000ft and others keep it on til 30000...which is a bummer if you've been on the lash in the bar before the flight and you can't leave your seat for a pish.

would say between 10 and 15 mins after take off generally. of course a significant number of people will keep their seat belts on even when the sign is switched off

British extremists linked to jet bomb: London & Birmingham voices heard cheering disaster

BRITISH extremists were behind the bombing of a Russian jet over Egypt, intelligence experts believe.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/617832/British-extremists-jet-bomb-accen...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/617832/
British-extremists-jet-bomb-accents-Sharm-El-Sheikh-Egypt

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British extremists linked to jet bomb: London & Birmingham voices heard cheering disaster

BRITISH extremists were behind the bombing of a Russian jet over Egypt, intelligence experts believe.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/617832/British-extremists-jet-bomb-accents-Sharm-El-Sheikh-Egypt


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