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My sympathy is reserved for Madeleine who was badly let down by her 'parents'.
This selfish pair put their own enjoyment before that of the welfare of their children. Not just on one occasion but night after night. Again I find myself in complete agreement with Ebul. |
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ta again akabula
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Well it is a great pity they did not then, some of us think this is actually a parents job to imagine this....to protect them
Any responsible parent would share that view. |
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crags calling me a coconut
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crags I don't be leave abduction took place
fatal tragic accident covered up |
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The problem is the McCanns cannot be forgiven until they confess can they, and even then not everybody will forgive them
...but at least it would show some remorse..even if it is only a confession that they should have never left there children on their own They can sue people for libel, they can complain of Internet trolls  and start new photo campaigns..but they cannot hide from what people think. They are not a happy couple now I think, because of this tragedy, but only they themselves can lighten their burden. |
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Ifwhat xmoneyx says is true a fatal accident covered up, they could confess this......
this would be much harder to forgive, but some may.... but only they can do this, nobody can make them |
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Hmmm. It would be very interesting if any of those posters who believe that the child died in the apartment could explain what happened next...Like: How did they get rid of the body and then join their friends for dinner at 8-30pm?
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someone needs to invent a sniffer for DNA to track missing people.
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Those that have sympathy with mccanns, have never had kids. You dont just up and leave multiple young children alone in apartment to go and get pissed
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They went on holiday and put their kids in day clubs all day everyday ,they then put them to bed in unlocked apartments and went on the piss ....,for some reason this along with many other facts were hidden by a very complicit Msm ,read recently that the misunderstanding between mcanns and amarral was a culteral one ,alluding to this sort of behaviour is normal .The mccanns refusal to accept they did anything wrong is just crazy and no wonder amarral suspected them ,the fact yje media tried to hoodwink an entire nation (us) into siding with them was incredulious ,throw in marketing campaign that followed and the meet the stars and vip tour it left a foul taste ,cba going over the ins and outs again ,been done to bits and plenty others on the case ,its never over and something will turn up sooner or later imo
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I don't understand how 2 highly educated people who work in the Care Industry can ever have done what they did re leaving their children ... the rest thereafter I don't know about as there is so much fog around the facts (deliberate? - again, I don't know).
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS: Some people are allowed to get away with very serious offences and that some people in the various authorities knew, for example: Jimmy Savile Lord Lucan (although he just disappeared ... I ask you, in this day and age how can that happen) Robert Maxwell Greville Janner (it seems) Anthony Blunt and his crew in fact the list is very long |
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its not really that difficult to move the investigation on if certain people wanted to play ball,you line the tapas crew up and the awol priest and ask them if there prepared to take a lie detector test ,if they refuse we can assume either that they
a, have something to hide b, dont want to help in finding a missing girl the macaans did agree to take one then back tracked so its not impossible to move on if those involved wanted to,so those who think its a straight forward abduction have to ask themselves why all means havnt been tried |
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There's a reason they don't use lie detectors in courts.
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who mentioned court
there.s all sorts of evidence used to solve a case that isnt admissible in court but is used to help put a case together |
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Why would they take one then? Your presumptions about someone who doesn't participate in a process which is deemed too inaccurate to be admissible in court are quite bizarre.
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* inadmissible
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just saying theres progress can be made if theres a will
alot of people think at best the tapas squad are been economical with the truth regarding what went on,if they were all to pass a liar detector test it would take the focus of them,if you really wanted to help why wouldnt you,if you expect the taxpayer to fund a 10 million jolly, its the least you could do ,i,d have thought |
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I don't see how you could come to those assumptions from not taking a lie detector test. If you are a witness for something and as far as you are concerned you have told the truth how else could you assist by being questioned several years leter on a lie detector.
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Because they were asleep and checked regularly
Well, that's news to the bar staff who have claimed that although the Mccanns stated they were checked regularly the truth was very different. Also, Madelaine was crying her eyes out the night before and her parents weren't around. Of course we know even that wasn't enough to persuade the Mccanns to alter their dining arrangements! The following day the poor little myte went missing. |
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sorry shrewd i,m assuming the taps,s squad want to help and not hide things from the investigation so would want to tell the truth,if they repeat their statements under a lie detector test alot more people will be convinced about their statements and resources can be targeted elsewhere,mind you where a death, murder,abduction etc of a 4 yr old is concerned bit steep that you have to threaten a priest with a lie detector test to get him to tell you what he no,s,
like i say when people say theyve done everything they can to help the case they quite blatently havnt |
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This case would have been done and dusted within a week if Amaral had been allowed to operate as usual.
They still wouldn't have a body...so signed confessions would have to do! Always worked before. |
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How do you know they haven't told the truth? As I asked what could a witness do to help by giving a second statement on a lie detector several years later? If they felt they had already said everything they could how could they help further by taking a polygraph test and if you were a witness to something as opposed to a suspect why would you feel you had anything to prove by taking a test which is deemed so unreliable it is not admissible as evidence in court.
Your assumptions because someone doesn't take a lie detector test are nonsense. |
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Dude. I agree. The McCanns had nothing to gain from a lie-detector test...but everything to lose. And all without one shred of evidence.
If it had been an uncertain result to ANY degree Amaral would have made sure that the public saw it as 'Guilty'! That was his objective from square one! |
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A lie detector cannot be used as evidence Naydam
What it tells the police is that a suspect fails one or refuses one, the most likely explanation is they are guilty But it is not 100% there is a possibility of a mistake why it cannot be used in law Seems to work ok on the Jeremy Kyle show, many a love cheat has been exposed |
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I think the McCanns should take one
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Whatever the result of this test even if it showed guilty, Amaral would still have to get the evidence
which he did not do |
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crags
02 Nov 15 23:57 Because they were asleep and checked regularly and nobody could ever imagine that any harm would come to them? When my kids are asleep I could pop to the shops for half an hour. It would be a safer environment as they would be locked in my own house rather than a room in a building filled with strangers. They would be checked regularly as I'd be back in half an hour. But I don't, I never would, and nearly every parent would endorse that. That isn't how parenting works. They are called dependents for a reason. |
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Thousands of holiday makers in Butlins and Pontins etc. used to leave their children and babies alone in the chalets while they went on the piss all night, never bothered to check on them either. That job was left to staff who walked up and down the chalet lines, when they could be arsed, listening for a baby crying, they would then pass a message to the bar with chalet number. Not very satisfactory. The McCanns were no more careless than those parents were,less careless I would say as they checked on them themselves. They were just very unlucky. They have to live with that and I really feel for them. Nobody on holiday like them, or those thousands in the holiday camps, thinks that anything will happen to their children.
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The McCanns are an easy target for a load of keyboard ****s to have a pop at, because they can.
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Much of the animosity towards the mccanns & their implied guilt stems from their apparent emotional detachment & actions both before & after maddies disappearance.Iv heard it mentioned that Kate may suffer from aspbergers,if that were to be true then it would go a long way to explaining her behaviour, & may have helped their cause had it been made public.As for gerry he just comes accross as an arrogant ****.
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You say u/l Crags
But they were doing this every night, this is not just u/l more downright careless the McCanns have not admitted this...so I don't believe a word they say Aspergers weak..? But I have nit taken a lack of emotion as proof of guilt....one would need more than that |
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Look at the number of children abducted in such circumstances and then tell me they were not, tragically, unlucky. Must be a million to one. Nobody expects anything like this can happen. The McCanns are loving parents who are being slaughtered by some idiotic keyboard clowns. That's my last word on it. I try not to comment on these sort of threads as I know that the people who slag the McCanns off will always do so no matter what, so it's just a waste of time trying to reason with them.
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An honest view Crags...I will accept that
Unfortunately if one leaves one's children unattended and unprotected million to one chances will happen But I will not accept anything from the McCanns until I start to hear what I consider truth from them Can you point me to somewhere on the Internet where the McCann's show remorse for leaving their children every night or why no Nanny? That would be a good thing from the McCanns, instead of always trying to project themselves as victims in this The interview with the Portuguese police, was far too protective from the McCanns in my opinion The prioriy there should have been co operate fully, all that matters is to find Maddie surely? |
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and the most serious thing of all, why did the McCanns not agree to a lie detector test..
If the test shows the McCanns were innocent, then immediately it would show the Portuguese Police that all efforts must be put into finding an abductor..the MCanns are in the clear But as long as the McCanns refuse the test, the Portuguese police cannot clear the McCanns can they, so if the McCanns were innocent, they were actually hampering the search for Maddie |
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You would consider your actions and responses much more carefully when you realised that the man asking the questions was trying to prove that you killed your child! THAT is why they were defensive.
Amaral was never conducting a 'lost child' case...he set out to prove their guilt, regardless of the truth. As soon as they realised this they ceased, upon legal advice, to fully co-operate with him. He was STILL trying to accuse them, without evidence, by publishing everything as 'the truth' in his book. That is why it got banned. It is simply his version of what he thinks happened. He can't produce anything to support his theory, and he never will. My personal opinion regarding the cadaver dog is that he knew that it would find 'cadaver odour' in the apartment and the car...because he supplied the 'evidence'! No wonder the dog was 'exited' when it entered the apartment. The smell was probably a few days old. NOT three months old, as it should have been. Why did Amaral's police team take the car to be forensically inspected? That was against procedure. It should have been taped up and transported there...NOT driven there via some dodgy back street route. Check Amaral's Google profile and you might start to see why he is/was a problem. Could have worked for The Sweeney! |
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Can only think Naydams source for all his views on this must be a Sun article
Every thread he makes the same points ,people correct them ,and he just makes the same points again a couple of pages later. If he bothered to read the police files ,or Amaral#s book , he would find the Portuguese Police started out treating it as a likely abduction ,thoroughly followed up all leads that seemed to point that way , and found they were dead ends .This went on for months. All the while what the parents were saying was not adding up , and they seemed to backfit their story every time a discrepancy was pointed out .Even then it was UK police advising their Portuguese colleagues who really started to home in on the parents. Also he seems to think that Amaral has been found guilty of beating up witnesses in other cases .No he was not. There is no point in posting links is there as Naydam ,without being able to provide any links of his own ,will still come back and say the Portuguese Police decided on Day 1 that the parents were guilty and relentlessly tried to build a case against them from the start . Well that is pretty much the opposite of what did happen. They didnt bring in dogs etc til August (at the UK police suggestion ) , 3 months after the disappearance. |
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i'm sure Naydam used to be a credible poster on here but has undone himself by allowing it to be inferred that he is not a neutral on the subject.
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Naydam's vendetta against Amaral is as extreme as a lot of peoples' feeling towards the McCanns.
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You can not trust the police on any investigation, and should never say anything, however innocent it may seem, do not talk to them. The problem is they are trying to find someone guilty of a crime. This mindset causes problems right from the start. The police should approach things from the perspective of trying to find someone innocent, once they have the mindset of looking to find someone guilty then all evidence is viewed through this prism and things will be ignored, even things that completely prove the innocence of an individual will, and have been ignored...they are looking to get results and further their career, and maybe write a book..they will be prepared to go to any means to find someone guilty, its all subconscious of course.
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