Every part of society should be catered for as well.
I'll do Somebody save our FOBTs.

https://audioboom.com/boos/3579981-james-o-brien-shuts-down-caller-over-national-anthem-singing?utm_campaign=embed&utm_content=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

rob_dylan   
I think that many of those that died in WW2 died defending our country and our way of life.
Those that died in Iraq and Afghanistan is a different matter.

That's utter nonsense. Soldiers have no say in what wars they take part in.
Try telling that to a veteran of either of those wars and you'll get the fight you are talking about on another thread.
My money would be on the soldier.

I actually highlighted the wrong post. i meant to highlight this.

Actually to expand a bit, I don't like all this putting the armed forces up on a pedestal either.  Maximum respect going out to the WW2 lot, a proper justified war that and I take my hat off to them.  But help for heroes is basically helping people that went to Afghanistan and Iraq.  For me the juries out on Afghanistan, but Iraq was a totally unjust war and the people that took part in it in the name of Britain aren't heroes for my money I'm afraid.  Sure many of them don't agree with the war themselves but did it simply because it was their job.  I don't hate them, sure most of them are good people.   But not heroes.

How are they not heroes. They do a job that very few would have the balls to do and many of them paid with their lives.

My point is that is why I don't put them on a pedestal aka.  They are willing to blindly fight whom ever their boss tells them to fight.  I'm sure they are brave but when that fight takes us to somewhere like Iraq and there are 100,000 minimum dead on the back of a pack of lies, I don't particularly respect them for taking part.  Though Tony Blair and those that voted for him are more to blame.

Our armed forces exercised plenty of control over these stone-age fk wits while we were still there in Afghanistan and Iraq. It's only when we pulled out that that the stone-age fk wits got organized and took over the weapons we left behind for the Iraqi government.

We had years and years of security in Europe thanks to the decision to send our men and women into the Middle East to control the stone-age fk wits with the only weapon they understand - guns.

People in N. Korea are being imprisoned tortured and murdered. This has been happening to hundreds of thousands of people, whole familes and generations of people have lived their entire lives in this hell, as brutal and evil a regime as has ever existed...this has been going on for the best part of 50 years as people are born and die in this nightmare...held in place by a brutal and mad dictator.

No price would be too great to free these people.

Yes that crossed my mind, I would go as far to say that even that  possibality is something that must be faced.
In the final analysis Britain faced the prospect of complete destruction against nazi germany. This is something that could have meant the end of millions of lives., indeed millions did die....if Britain and the US and the rest of the world turn away from Korea then karma is going to destroy us. A coward dies a thousand times before his death.

Singing about a Queen and paying for her and her cronies because of a bloodline is pathetic

When required to be sworn in as a juror, one is permitted to use a form of words which do not mention an imaginary deity. If people are required to sing the words of the National anthem there should be an alternative form which mentions neither god nor monarch for those who don't subscribe to those ideas,for example
We love our rainy land
It's such a lovely land
We love our land.
There could be a verse for each country of the union in addition to the general chorus.

Anyone like to compose more verses?

Sturge save us dour Sweaties
Buckfast fi 50p
Jus' need smack and some dodgy E
And Sturge will mek ma deeeeee

GSTQ is a CRAP anthem and must be the world's only anthem which praises a personage and not a country, flag or people.

That apart, monarchies are a total anachronism and only exist because their forebears, back in the mists of time, were the meanest and hardest thieves and robber barons around, who, once they'd eliminated the opposition, called themselves king (or queen). Even if you HAD to have a monarchy, the present mob in Buck house are probably nowhere near "rightful".


Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.


Denis Diderot.

And yet 250 years later the only places where people actually enjoy any sort of freedom are the ones with kings and priests.



That lets the UK out then, no king.

I didn't say places with royalty or religion are free. I said places without royalty or religion are never free.

Chuck out the head of state, crack down on the priests, replace them with elected representatives and, hey presto, you have North Korea.

What a depressing thread,its easy now to see why ye are going to lose your country,none of ye have the will to defend it.

Your forefathers created this and ye have a duty to preserve it and hand it on to your own children but ye appear so feckless it can't survive.

The country that defended Europe 70 odd years ago no longer as the will to defend itself.

Latest opinion polls show over 70% of the country are in favour of the monarchy.
Here to stay and long to reign over us. GSTQ.

rogerthebutler   
16 Sep 15 14:49 
FKS SAKE no one cares!

Not one  of the bunch of tw@ts that comprise our National Football side sings the bloody, bleeding, effing National Anthem before a  game bar John Terry and he's tone deaf! Rooney can't remember the words, Hart's busy messing with his hair and when Lampard tried he blew pie crumbs all over his shirt.

If they can't be @rsed nor should we.

Jesus, if we're putting up John Terry, Wayne Rooney, Hart and Lampard as shining examples that we should emulate then we are utterly fecked.

(I haven't just replied to my own post by the way).

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvouc8Qs_MI

I Vow to thee my Country. Stirring stuff.

Latest opinion polls show over 70% of the country are in favour of the monarchy.

30% still holding out despite, monarchist onslaught from media, not bad imo