Why Is Corbyn Any Different?

not so long ago ed miliband was the new messiah...whatever happened to him..

"It is getting harder for people to get a good job today, because business does not want to train their own employees up anymore, they prefer to hire foreigners who already have the skills and experience"

Macarony this is the right wing agenda you yourself espouse - as long as we aren't rioting or fomenting revolution, the people who have been our leaders these last few decades couldn't care less how sh1t our lives are or how hard it is to get a job.

.. as long as they can keep getting elected - i should have added.

One thing you can be sure about with Corbyn is that Britain's national interests will come last.

Yesterday he couldn't wait to run along to be seen attending some ridiculous Pro-Refugee event. He'd rather swamp Britain with thousands of foreigners (sight unseen, no security checks) rather than help our own citizens, such as the injured and disabled ex-servicemen who put their bodies on the line so that the Left-leaning can then try to prosecute them at a later date.

How many "refugees" (i.e. economic migrants) will Corbyn PERSONALLY be accommodating, feeding, clothing and paying all expenses of?  And how many 'refugees' is he already personally taking care of from previous conflicts?

We also still await news of how many refugees from war-torn countries FACTS has taken care of in the past, and how many he proposes to take from the latest group. You see he's already loftily informed us that he would gladly share his home with a desperate refugee fleeing a war torn country (apparently it's the moral and humanitarian thing to do), but he's remarkably shy about giving any details of his own previous and personally funded efforts in this area.

Of course UKIP Facts. Which is why I think a Corbyn led Labour party is just the ticket for you and a disaster for ordinary working class people. You're a fully paid up member of the open borders, pro EU, unlimited immigration, put em to the front of the queue, prioritise incomers for jobs, health, etc. You don't seem to have any understanding of the concerns and needs of the indiginous people of this country. My guess is that Corbyn will reveal himself to be very much in tune with your idea of socialism rather than that of the poor of this country.

Of course UKIP are far from a perfect fit which is why I made the comment I did about the political establishment not working in their interests. One thing is for sure though. They would represent more of their concerns than you.

Nice to see the class war alive and well.  Who was the last working class PM who spoke up for the Northern working class, Wilson?

facts why wont u answer aluns questions?

My old Dad was a Union Executive . He went to meetings on behalf of his members to discuss wage issues with Building firms  in London. Often strikers would be protesting outside. Dad would emerge and be accosted by some men shouting the odds and protesting how could he represent them ( the workers ), because he was wearing a suit !!

It doesn't matter weather you're rich or poor, in a suit or rags. It's what you're fighting for that's important.

That is my whole point Facts he won’t be fighting for the white working class will he.

he won’t be fighting for the white working class will he.

No chance of that. Their jobs and their futures will have to make way for the no-limit number of "refugees" (i.e. chancer migrants) who will be waved through the badly-misnamed Border Control. Regardless of whether they are terrorists and rapists.

Remember, the worst sin of Modern Labour is to be patriotic.  God only knows what the proud and patriotic working-class Labour voters of the first half of the 20th century would make of the current incumbents.

macarony     13 Sep 15 14:07 
That is my whole point Facts he won’t be fighting for the white working class will he.



Of course he will be. That's the platform he was elected on. Haven't you listened to any of his pre election speeches ?

loving all the hatred for Corbyn and worry about future of labour from ukip and conservatives

GRANTCKING     13 Sep 15 13:51 
facts why wont u answer aluns questions?



Because what I do and how I do it, is none of his (or anyone else's on an Internet forum's) damn business.

LOLOL, we'll put you down for ZERO then.  Just like me and 99.99% of the rest of the public.

I can't wait to see this Jeremy 'British Jobs For British Workers' Corbyn in action.  That was Brown's line but I'm sure he won't mind JC recycling it.

So he is going to stop immigration and withdraw Britain from the EU?

Or is he just going to do like the rest of them and suck up to big business.
Bit by bit he will drop or water down all his pledges. You know it and so do and so does everyone else.

Er ....No I don't.

Then you soon will Facts

That is my whole point Facts he won’t be fighting for the white working class will he.

Of course he will be. That's the platform he was elected on. Haven't you listened to any of his pre election speeches ?

I didn't take too much notice of the goings on Facts but if you are right then that would be a refreshing change. Can you point me to any of his speeches or literature which back your statement up?

Any politician who claimed to be "fighting for the white working class" would presumably be decried by the Left? Or at the very least be called a racist???

Alan et al
As a reported admirer of Karl Marx I was wondering if Corbyn was an Atheist.
Can't seem to unearth any stories about his religious beliefs.
Anybody know?

His first act as leader was to go to a march for refugees not to a poor council estate to meet the unemployed.

The hatred of Corbyn isnt about worrying for the future of Labour but for the future of the Country.

what do you care?
you will be dead for the most part of that supposed change and the younger generations dont have the same outlook as you.

I will be dead by the mid 2020s?  Thats bad news. Where did you hear this?

Are you suggesting that all young people want to see mass immigration increasing, hyperinflation and economic ruin?

so the haters think Corbyn will win in 2020, bizarre turn of events!

Im saying youve most likely had the best of it.
I dont necessarily mean your life but certainly circumstances in relation to the economic situation.
Im not getting into your personal position or age, but generally speaking the baby boomers had the best scenario and all younger ones pay for it.
Yet its the older ones who believe the cultural issue is fervent, while thay dont.
So step back, youve had your run of it now let them decide.

Its typical of the theory of human protectionism.
Already cameron tweeting Armageddon, security risk to nation, family and finances.
Those older ones so ready to defend their pile at the expense of the poor all this time wobbling.

housing will get them in the end. Older want increasing house prices. younger just want somewhere to live. Both cant have it their own way

Indeed dusty I agree with what you say about baby boomers. Not sure why the young should decide the next election or even if they will be backing Corbyn in large numbers.

I have no idea what brendans point is? As the leader of one of two parties who could win the election it would be silly to say he couldnt be PM.

I think that would be a disaster especially for the poor and old. Nobody here has given me an example of any country printing money on a politicians orders whilst the economy is growing that has ended well or indeed any countries where an overall economic policy like Corbyns has been successful.  That leaves me wondering why anyone would think he could possibly do any good.

Incidentally that one policy of money printing is my main objection to Corbyn. He wouldnt have been my choice as leader but the prospect of him as PM wouldnt bother me in the slightest if he dropped that nonsense.

Because it sort of defies logic that the old determine the future Dotchinite

bet the MPs who supported him to run  for leader at the start are this morning choking in their corn flakes

Nobody is suggesting the old should pay for the young, but the wealth collection is generally made from poor whether young or old.
The disparity in equality has come about because of all the things being offered to those wanting to fleece the rest.
The mentality of the young could be a good thing for all.
Though personally I dont care, Im not saying theis will be a winner because I have my reservations, but because Im not greedy and I have enough then so be it.

You want a maximum voting age?

The left love to bang the drum for the young and why not? They lack wisdom, judgment, are easy to indoctrinate and get carried away with emotion. Consequently they are disproportionately left leaning until they grow up.

until the get greedy, and protect their own wealth and think only of themselves, its an age old tradition and refuted

unrefuted

dusty what do you think the "view of the young" is.  I think brendan makes the best point about housing  and sooner or later that has to cause massive problems between generations whose priorities differ but aside from that Corbyn is offering nothing to the young as far as I can see other than typical vague soundbites like all politicians do.

It's unrefuted because it is nonsense Dusty.

Any young British person wanting a house and a job might be better off finding another country if Corbyn comes to power. He wants to bring refugees to this country, and they will have priority. We saw that clearly yesterday.

well Id rather not be a voice piece of any politician, espaecially one I know so little about, I was essentially saying let the young decide who arnt tainted by the same misgivings of the old.
That misgiving isnt new, every generation is more accepting than the previous.

My own personal opinion about the supply and demand issue regarding housing is that I am generally incredulous how the old, who have had the luxury of dabling on the housing market, seem to think their personal 'worth' is equal to the amount they artificially made doing nothing.

Eeternaloptimist 13 Sep 15 16:49 
The left love to bang the drum for the young and why not? They lack wisdom, judgment, are easy to indoctrinate and get carried away with emotion. Consequently they are disproportionately left leaning until they grow up.


Very well put indeed.

Corbyn will make it policy to give the vote to 16 year olds. NAP.

Agree 100% with that dusty.

There certainly is a sense of entitlement of some older people who if they were starting out today wouldn't have a chance of owning the house they now live in.

brendanuk1
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so the haters think Corbyn will win in 2020, bizarre turn of events!

Haters come in many shapes and sizes; unfortunately for Britain we have had some of the biggest haters of all running the country. Thatcher who hated the unions and the working man. Then we then have new labour who hate themselves and the traditional people culture of this country.
A sorry bunch of bastards indeed.

Why wasn't the housing market regulated decades ago?

Inflation would be declared as say 5% whilst property went up by 10-20% and not included in official inflation figures.

It is/was/will be the elephant in the room.

The problem has NEVER been wages. It has always been the housing boom.

TheBaron
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There certainly is a sense of entitlement of some older people who if they were starting out today wouldn't have a chance of owning the house they now live in.

They would if population levels were the same as in the past, its only immigration that is driving up property prices.

With the contraceptive pill the population should have fallen and in turn property prices should have leveled off, with some of our shoddy old housing been demolished.

I don't think the problem was housing when the Major government allowed it to correct Injera. The problems start when government seeks to safety net things. History has shown it invariably turns from a net to a hammock and the galling thing is that the people who are being cosseted also invariably think they are smart rather than lucky.

The funny thing is that the same people advocating unlimited immigration from the third world are also the people who constantly spout on about climate change and they don't see the obvious link (assuming that they are right about man made global warming).

Way before Major, the boom was in full swing. Yet still people could only borrow 3x the man's salary. (His overtime would not be included nor his wife's income).

Once lending/borrowing was deregulated it was an inflationary disaster. Average price of a 1 bed flat where I live is 140k.

Good luck to first time buyers..

That I agree with Injera. Abandoning prudence on lending was another symptom of the madness but allowing markets to correct helps to prevent future booms. Underpinning them and abandoning prudent lending amongst other things as led us to where we are.

The left love to bang the drum for the young and why not? They lack wisdom, judgment, are easy to indoctrinate and get carried away with emotion. Consequently they are disproportionately left leaning until they grow up.

100% correct.

I see one of the main tenets of socialism 'the gospel of envy' has raised its ugly head, (lets all blame the old!!!) Of the thousands of socialists I have come across over the years, most had nothing and the problem is they wanted to share it with everyone!!!.

...while those who made a pile made it away from regulation and had no correlation to personal merit

You know it's funny how the people who beseech the rest of us not to scapegoat do exactly that when it suits. Imagine if someone made the leap from an acknowledgement that young black men are disproportionately involved in muggings to an assertion that black people are muggers because in essence Dusty has scapegoated the old in the same way.

Life is often unfair Dusty. Give me a world where I take my chance on getting rich or dying poor rather than the micromanagement socialists are prone to. Yes I know the game is **** in favour of the few and thus my chances are diminished. It always is. Even under socialism. It's just that the bourgeosie are replaced by party members and the leaders replaced by the politburo in socialist regimes.

The baby boomers (and those a bit younger but who missed the war..)have done very well.

I have a pal who got on the property ladder not once but twice following a divorce where wife #1 took everything.

That would be unthinkable today. We all kbnow folk who bought property in the 60s-80s who are sitting on a pile of cash right now with no mortgage.

Am I jealous? No chance. I say good luck to them all. The Blue Rinse Brigade are putting billions back into the economy and I wish them all the best. I was born a bit later bit envy is for mugs..

Envy is indeed for mugs and socialists. They keep telling us that in the next few decades the genome??? project will uncover the origins of all illnesses so that illness will become a thing of the past and people will live to 150 with iron bar erections for all. Are we envious? Errr. Maybe I'm a socialist.

Eeternaloptimist     13 Sep 15 15:16 
That is my whole point Facts he won’t be fighting for the white working class will he.

Of course he will be. That's the platform he was elected on. Haven't you listened to any of his pre election speeches ?

I didn't take too much notice of the goings on Facts but if you are right then that would be a refreshing change. Can you point me to any of his speeches or literature which back your statement up?



Excellent speech by Jeremy in Leeds.

Hope you find it inspirational EO


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DhhYnEYnM9A

The Blue Rinse Brigade are putting billions back into the economy

Some are and some arent. Sitting on mortgage free house with a final salary pension is a thing of the past, a different world from lays in wait for the young, the young arent mugs either they increasingly know they vote for change, will be just a matter of demographics more so than politics of left/right

Eeternaloptimist • September 13, 2015 5:41 PM BST
Life is often unfair Dusty.

Nature is unfair, life is not.
It takes substance to stand up against the crowd in many respects, I believe its mistrust in others than influence the acts of others to the greatest extent.
Let this grow, yes it has problems outside looking in, but thats one of caution and greed.
Im wealhy and nothing to lose, I throw my hat behind this movement.

I enjoyed the speech Facts although I wouldn't put him in the same league as decent Labour orators such as Kinnock and nowhere near the likes of Foot and some of the towering figures of history. I didn't see any reference to the indiginous working class. Can you point me to where he mentions them?

Nature is unfair, life is not.

Sorry Dusty but that's even more rubbish.

And I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your post other than you've bought a ticket for the ride even though you don't know its destination.

EO

Jeremy's speech was peppered with references to the working class,the under privileged in society. At least 7 occasions
10.25 - 11.54
13.25 - 14.35
15.00 - 15.34
17.50 - 20.10
22.25  - 24.15
26.38 -  26.50
And closing minute.

Continual references to the unfairness in our society
The haves vs. the have nots
The necessity for affordable education
The absolute right of free medical care.

The Labour Party was founded as a voice for the working class.
It's disappeared into the middle murk over the last decades

Jeremy's clarion call, is a true ' call to arms ' to get back to basics, back to the true values of a party that cares about society, fairness and equality for all. NOT just for those with money and power.
It's a call to arms that is being listened to  and is being heeded.
Another 150,000 new members have joined in the last 24 hours
Things are going to change.

Sincere people are often total idiots.  He's a stick puppet for the far-left who are itching to send half of us to the re-education camps and the other other half to the shallow graves.

Come back when you have something coherent and/or sensible to say

How are the refugees settling in Facts?

Angela might be in touch soon to ask whether you'd like another 700,000 as well, to add to your current 0.

See my 00.10 post.

That was no way to speak to the refugees Facts.
Turned them away from your door just like an old inn keeper I read about once.

Oh Facts, I was going to say I feel affection towards you - but I do.  The far left will imprison/execute/exile most of the people on here IF THEY COULD.  I've seen it happen in dozens of countries that cratered.  Socialists do not understand human nature and they do not comprehend history.  People fit dogma/rules very, very badly.  But you may have fun killing the deviants.

A bit disingenuous that Facts. Any Labour politician from the right or left of the party will always talk about the poor and dispossessed but people on here have been very specific about the criticism they have levelled at the party. They believe, rightly or wrongly, that the white working class have alternately been ignored or sneered at by Labour. Corbyn gave no indication that he understood that or that things would change in that regard. The unspoken message is coming in loud and clear that the Labour party has abandoned them and so their votes will be up for grabs. The fact that Corbyn is a London based politician execrbates that problem. He probably sees London as being representative of the country when it clearly isn't. He and to be fair probably yourself would like it to be so. The majority of the people wouldn't and Labour don't care for them or their views and I doubt this will change under Corbyn.

absolute garbage ET

Two words for you Hanks:

Emily Thornberry.

Brought back into the cabinet after absolutely no demand despite the fact she recently resigned after her disgraceful comments about the white working class flying the national flag of this country. Corbyn certainly sent a message there about what he thinks.

Missed this appointment EO  !


What position is she in the Shadow Cabinet ?

she doesnt

.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/14/jeremy-corbyn-labour-shadow-cabinet-in-full

Apologies. I saw an article which said she was going to be given a position and assumed that had happened. Assumption made an ass of me.

Wonder what he thinks of this decision by his new shadow cabinet colleague? Oh yes, one law for us, another for the rest of you.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/diane-abbott-i-sent-my-son-to-private-230293

How long will it be before a child cries out 'But he isn't wearing anything at all' and Corbyn and co are seen for what they are.... the Emperors OLD/new clothes.

As you probably assumed EO ,my question was a rhetorical one !

Never trust the DT !

btf


Don't be silly

                   

Facts, what do you think about the appointment of "Four legs good, two legs better" Abbott to the shadow cabinet?

Rhetorical questions are the most delicious and nourishing to the soul Facts.

Foinavon

I don't have a problem with her appointment.

Fine, Corbyn can do no wrong during his honeymoon period. I might ask you again when the gloss has worn off.

You won't have long to wait Foinavon, it will be a media turkey shoot.

With McDonnell and Abbott in the shadow what can go wrong.

Too many clowns not enough circuses, so they flock to labour, clowns, acrobats, trapeze acts, tightrope walkers, jugglers, unicyclists, Welcome to Jezzas shadow show. Have any of them realized there's no safety nets for the the high acts.

Even if we just focus on Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott then worrying times could lie ahead although tbf I don't think there is a hope in hell of them ever getting voted into government.
But let's just say they do what could we really expect.
All 3 embrace terrorism but especially those at odds with the UK.
All 3 want an open door policy to migrants.
All 3 are in favour of cutting spending on defence with Corbyn going one better and calling for the army to be abolished.
As I said earlier, what can go wrong.

Forty years plus in politics and his biggest achievement is chair of a local planning department.He was a friend of Milliband senior yet Ed gave him zilch.I cant understand how he has managed to stay so far below the radar whilst no-one noticed  him nurturing the vision that they now believe will lead them all to glory.Emperor without clothes solves the puzzle.

corbyn brought up in 7 bedroom house' yew tree manor ' went to prep school ( 7k/yr ) wow ,imagine that in late 60s/70s.
. can labour not have someone from normal background leading the party ?

That was my whole point why has labour allowed the likes of him in the party in the first place.
He has nothing in common with the working man.

100-1 to become leader when he entered the contest, so it would be presumptuous to conclude that this could not be translated to the wider electorate. Although I'm obviously worried about some of his ideas and agree with several comments above. But easy to see why he has connected with a lot of people. And the more the media attacks Corbyn, the more popular he becomes.

morpteh mackem
     16 Sep 15 08:47   



corbyn brought up in 7 bedroom house' yew tree manor ' went to prep school ( 7k/yr ) wow ,imagine that in late 60s/70s.
. can labour not have someone from normal background leading the party

Yes Dan Jarvis will be I backed him at 25s after election when he said he wouldn't stand now 6/1fav he would appeal to a huge spectrum of voters,his only problem is that he's not full of any fakery which the thickos in this country seem to like.You could almost say he's too normal and decent,lacks a bit of charisma but abnormally decent person to be an mp...